Pierre32///AMG

I have class now, and I just coming form the Dyno, and I'll post everything at night.

Result:
Run 1 T=78 F
Max Hp: 311 whp
Max TQ: I do not remember, sorry.

Run 2 T=79 F
Max Hp: 307 whp
Max Tq: 324 wlbf

Run 3 T=80 F
Max Hp: 310 wph
Max Tq: 315 wlbf

as I said.. TORQUE!

AMGDood

those numbers look pretty good to me. Looks like that chip and filters helped.

Bux

chip and filter doing better #'s than pulley?! for about 1/4 of the price

VERY NICE......i think im going to follow your path! now goto the drag strip

otoupalik

What type of dyno? What conversion factors? Those numbers sound very unreal as we have also tested that software on a C32 and found no power. Please post more info as I am very impressed and want to confirm these are real!

Thanks

Brad

Pierre32///AMG

What type of dyno? --> Dynojet.
and I will send to Vadim and you (Brad) the dyno files, thus you can post it, I have no idea how to do it. If some one can do it for me I can email everything. Thanks

amgme

what was your dyno results in stock form? this should provide you your gain w/ these mods.

if you're stock hp/torqe was about 290, then i'm impressed w/ these gains.

Pierre32///AMG

using MSM galery Dyno2 and Dyno3:

http://groups.msn.com/Mercedes2003C3...hoto&PhotoID=7

Dyno1-2-3 v/s speed

http://groups.msn.com/Mercedes2003C3...hoto&PhotoID=8

I hope it helps.

Zeppelin

So which mod made the horsepower the filters or the chip?

Zeppelin

What octane gas does the Chip require? 91 or 93

Pierre32///AMG

https://mbworld.org/forums/showthrea...threadid=20260

Fast Eddy

YOu bet, Brad, that that is unreal, sounds to me like Hans and Franz at H&S specifically asked Pierre to spread the word around here about them. What are the chances that such an easy and relativly inexpensive modification slipped by everyone who's bread and butter it is (like yourself) to sell more power? Renntechs ECU mod gives no more than 10 horses and are we to believe that H&S know something Renntech or Wetterauer dont?

Zeppelin

So in other words: 91 octane may mean no gain and 100 octane is 26hp?

Pierre32///AMG

Fast Eddy,
H&S was specifically not asked, your comment it sounds really strange to me. You do not know me and I do not know you, we are just riding our star horses on the road.
I posted my results and I sent it to Vadim to analyzed, thus as you said " YOu bet, Brad".
If you look the results in a really conservative way, I mean no spikes, I got 305 wft/Ib's torque, and 309 w(sae)hp, with just ECU and filters $1,500; are we to believe that H&S know something Renntech or Wetterauer dont?, ask your self, and I will be glad to sent you my DynoJet files.

Zeppelin,
common!, if I got so far 20hp more at 91 US octane (RON), and H&S claim 26hp --> perhaps 96 EU octane (DIN), and 26+ 98-100 EU octane(DIN). I guess, I am not sure but 91 US octane (RON) is 95 (DIN), please confirm.
Additionally, H&S tune chip the AMG engines depending the OEM tolerance. Each ECU is uploaded with different timing at the AMG factory depending the limit and tolerance of each engine.

Zeppelin

Pierre32,

O.k. so you are using 91 octane with these gains. That's great, that is what I need to know. 91 is all I can get here in CA. Thanks!

Mach430

Pierre,

Vadim hasn't commented because he is currently at SEMA. I'm sure he will as soon as he returns (this weekend).

What Fast Eddy is getting at is that those gains do not seem realistic. It is very common for the car to feel faster after being down for a few days, as you haven't been able to drive it, and are usually driving something slower in the meantime. My CLK seems to gain about 20HP each time I get it back . Unfortunately, you don't have a dyno prior to your ECU upgrade, as even with wrong conversion factors, it would still show whether or not you have made gains. We dyno tested the software on Vadim's car and had no gains. Good luck!

Thanks

Ben

Pierre32///AMG

Ben, is ok.
Some more information:
I Dynojeted at the same store that usually Kleemann USA does.
I feel really sorry for do not have a stock Dyno.
Mach430, not only we are talking about just 20HP, that at 290 whp is not as perceptible, I agree; but also there is torque and 30 ft-lbs.
If you may see at:
http://groups.msn.com/Mercedes2003C3...oto&PhotoID=10
(poor quality picture sorry) my car is performing quiet similar to the ODPS + w/IC + 17” + NGK5 30gap HPand TQ lines, at R&D Update #4.
Besides, when I spoke with Vadim six weeks a go he told me that he had tried two EU chips but not H&S.
Any way Ben, I’m just trying to help, being other MBworld.org enthusiast.
Finally, I am evaluating seriously to buy the MKB exhaust kit with this results, I mean headers, 4 cats, down pipes. I spoke with Helmut last night, thus if so, I’ll use this base line and post.

Bye
Pierre32///AMG

Mach430

Hey, there's nothing wrong with doing your own mods, especially if you are sharing them here for other to learn from.

In a couple months, we will have the only aftermarket CARB approved headers. Our exhaust technician consistently gets more power than Supersprint and other well-known tuners. On an E36 M3, our headers gained 25HP. That's 15HP over Supersprint and 8 over Hiop. As with all our products, dynos will be posted when complete.

We have a set of MKB's V8 headers, and to be honest, there are more gains to be had. Various designs are computer-tested in order to determine optimum flow, and unlike most systems, are headers are ceramic coated (by the same material NASA uses) in order to deflect heat and maintain equal temperatures (pressure) inside the exhaust. I have complete confidence that our headers will produce more gains than MKB.

Thanks
Ben

Pierre32///AMG

Thanks Ben,
So, I will wait for your headers, although I do know that is really difficult to much improvement in peak HP without altering low rpm HP, same for torque; make headers is an art.
Bye
Pierre32///AMG

AMGDood

do you guys know how much a stock c32 chip would cost...just in case i might want to swap it in and out with an aftermarket chip when i take it into the dealership?

Vadim @ evosport

Pierre: I just had a chance to look at your dyno graphs.

Numbers look very impressive. Too bad you did not have a chance to do a baseline run. Being at 6000 ft. altitude Dynojet uses an SAE correction factor. At the bottom of one of the graphs it list correction factor of 1.22.

1.22 means that to see the actual HP and TQ numbers one needs to divide SAE numbers by 1.22. In the second graph your car shows 311HP at the wheels. Dividing it by 1.22 gives us 255HP actual.

My concern with SAE sorrection factor is that it applies to normally aspirated cars. SC car like C32 will not experience as much -percentage wise - HP drop as normally aspirated car. If you know anyone else who has a C32 in your area, get him to dyno his. So there is some kind of baseline for C32, at your altitude.

Shine

Basically, no need to buy a stock chip.
ECU tuning was written to another EProm,hookup to your
PC board, swap the stock chip. ppl paid for that.
you still keep the stock chip, anytime you can put it back.

Pierre32///AMG

Ok , Vadim.
thanks.