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***HEADER SALE***
This is only offered to MBworld members through MBH motorsports. PM me with any questions. We ship world wide. Every header we sell comes with a lifetime warranty.
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Do these headers work like the AMG 63 ones you developed where they are in true firing order, and a vacuum is created in the corresponding port of the firing sequence to help scavenging the exhaust from the next corresponding firing cylinder?
If not are you planning on making a set like that for the AMG 55?
Whats the approximate gains in hp? Around 40+hp right? If not what is the approximate gains of the current setup?
MBH/DC Header scavenging effect
If not are you planning on making a set like that for the AMG 55?
Whats the approximate gains in hp? Around 40+hp right? If not what is the approximate gains of the current setup?
MBH/DC Header scavenging effect
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my question is what other mods do you have to do to your exhaust system in order to install these?
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Do these headers work like the AMG 63 ones you developed where they are in true firing order, and a vacuum is created in the corresponding port of the firing sequence to help scavenging the exhaust from the next corresponding firing cylinder?
If not are you planning on making a set like that for the AMG 55?
Whats the approximate gains in hp? Around 40+hp right? If not what is the approximate gains of the current setup?
MBH/DC Header scavenging effect
If not are you planning on making a set like that for the AMG 55?
Whats the approximate gains in hp? Around 40+hp right? If not what is the approximate gains of the current setup?
MBH/DC Header scavenging effect
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I'll have to swing by Dyno-Comp and check it out for myself.
Interesting question in regards to headers... after seeing your post for the SL AMG crowd in regards to titanium exhaust and mufflers... I was thinking about your headers, if they were made from titanium they would save weight in the front on the car and look cool because it changes colors when heated up... my only question is can titanium take that kind of heat and would it generate any more or less heat in the engine bay? And yes they would cost allot more... but if it can save enough weight and generate less engine bay heat it might be worth it... would they need to beat coated with a clear hi-heat coating to reduce the heat... etc...
What would be the advantages and disadvantages of making the headers out of titanium? Any others you can think of? Whats your thoughts?
Advantages:
-Lighter weight
-Color change effect
Disadvantages:
-Higher cost
Example of color change:
Heated (left) and Cooled (right) effect
Interesting question in regards to headers... after seeing your post for the SL AMG crowd in regards to titanium exhaust and mufflers... I was thinking about your headers, if they were made from titanium they would save weight in the front on the car and look cool because it changes colors when heated up... my only question is can titanium take that kind of heat and would it generate any more or less heat in the engine bay? And yes they would cost allot more... but if it can save enough weight and generate less engine bay heat it might be worth it... would they need to beat coated with a clear hi-heat coating to reduce the heat... etc...
What would be the advantages and disadvantages of making the headers out of titanium? Any others you can think of? Whats your thoughts?
Advantages:
-Lighter weight
-Color change effect
Disadvantages:
-Higher cost
Example of color change:
Heated (left) and Cooled (right) effect
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to MBH , are there any dyno numbers obtaind with your headers any testing done on a chassis dyno , i intrested and i have been oferd a set of new kleemenn headers but thinking about your headers also , please post dyno runs of your headers so i can decide , thanks
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I'll have to swing by Dyno-Comp and check it out for myself.
Interesting question in regards to headers... after seeing your post for the SL AMG crowd in regards to titanium exhaust and mufflers... I was thinking about your headers, if they were made from titanium they would save weight in the front on the car and look cool because it changes colors when heated up... my only question is can titanium take that kind of heat and would it generate any more or less heat in the engine bay? And yes they would cost allot more... but if it can save enough weight and generate less engine bay heat it might be worth it... would they need to beat coated with a clear hi-heat coating to reduce the heat... etc...
What would be the advantages and disadvantages of making the headers out of titanium? Any others you can think of? Whats your thoughts?
Advantages:
-Lighter weight
-Color change effect
Disadvantages:
-Higher cost
Example of color change:
Heated (left) and Cooled (right) effect
Interesting question in regards to headers... after seeing your post for the SL AMG crowd in regards to titanium exhaust and mufflers... I was thinking about your headers, if they were made from titanium they would save weight in the front on the car and look cool because it changes colors when heated up... my only question is can titanium take that kind of heat and would it generate any more or less heat in the engine bay? And yes they would cost allot more... but if it can save enough weight and generate less engine bay heat it might be worth it... would they need to beat coated with a clear hi-heat coating to reduce the heat... etc...
What would be the advantages and disadvantages of making the headers out of titanium? Any others you can think of? Whats your thoughts?
Advantages:
-Lighter weight
-Color change effect
Disadvantages:
-Higher cost
Example of color change:
Heated (left) and Cooled (right) effect
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Titanium are not a good choice for headers, Titanium cannot be mandrel bent and for that reason it has to be cut-welded in order to make turns which is not good for airflow (especially on headers), Weight savings are marginal at best and honestly not worth the additional cost as Hooley stated. Furthermore, titanium has terrible sound properties...
You can run higher grade stainless (409, etc) but costs will go up significantly as well. There's always a compromise of some kind..... that's life.
You can run higher grade stainless (409, etc) but costs will go up significantly as well. There's always a compromise of some kind..... that's life.
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Titanium are not a good choice for headers, Titanium cannot be mandrel bent and for that reason it has to be cut-welded in order to make turns which is not good for airflow (especially on headers), Weight savings are marginal at best and honestly not worth the additional cost as Hooley stated. Furthermore, titanium has terrible sound properties...
You can run higher grade stainless (409, etc) but costs will go up significantly as well. There's always a compromise of some kind..... that's life.
You can run higher grade stainless (409, etc) but costs will go up significantly as well. There's always a compromise of some kind..... that's life.
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Well, so few mandrel benders can do it, it requires extremely powerful mandrel benders, certainly none for automotive application. Automotive titanium exhausts always use cut-welded curves for this reason. I'm sure there are lots of things available in the aircraft industry, but its simply not economically viable for automotive use. Nonetheless, its not a good choice for headers exhaust manifolds for automobiles. Stainless Steel is still the best choice for that.
