Guys Need help... Trading C55 for 335i 2007
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Hello guys!
I am new to BMW world and I need advise please....
I am trading in my 2006 C55(64K miles) for 335i Stick-shift coupe 2007 with 35K. It has Dinan kit so I was told, Dealer asking $26900
Much appreciate all your input!
Please post your expert openions...
Cheers,
-MJ
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I am new to BMW world and I need advise please....
I am trading in my 2006 C55(64K miles) for 335i Stick-shift coupe 2007 with 35K. It has Dinan kit so I was told, Dealer asking $26900
Much appreciate all your input!
Please post your expert openions...
Cheers,
-MJ
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Well if thats what you want then more power to you! I dont really think its an upgrade, more 0f a downgrade with less power but better gas mileage.Yes I know about JB3 and all the upgrades but pushing over 100hp more than stock will effect the reliability, I learned the hard way in my EVO. Going from a C55 you will def want to mod it.Your only going 1 year newer, maybe if its a 2009+ but from a 2006 AMG to a 2007 non M? If you want a newer car in that price range Get a 550I, E550 or CLK550, 2007+ models are all listed for under 30k. Also right now the 335i is worth more Than your C55 but in four years your traded in C55 will be worth more or equal to that 335i.I would add another year of finacing and get something newer/faster or hold off till the 2008 ISF/M3/ get into low 30's.
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Hello guys!
I am new to BMW world and I need advise please....
I am trading in my 2006 C55(64K miles) for 335i Stick-shift coupe 2007 with 35K. It has Dinan kit so I was told, Dealer asking $26900
Much appreciate all your input!
Please post your expert openions...
Cheers,
-MJ
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I am new to BMW world and I need advise please....
I am trading in my 2006 C55(64K miles) for 335i Stick-shift coupe 2007 with 35K. It has Dinan kit so I was told, Dealer asking $26900
Much appreciate all your input!
Please post your expert openions...
Cheers,
-MJ
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mistake. my friend bought an 08' 6 speed stick coupe with the sport package with 50k miles for 19k. first of all, it's not really on the border of luxury of sport like that of the 55. it's just luxury. it's a COMPLETELY different feel and i drove it too. not not not sport inspired at all. if you were trying to upgrade or something, you would have bought an e92 m3 or any 63 models. i'm sorry, but the e90-e93 m3's are way to over rated.
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Many thanks for all the comments!
There a couple of reasons that I want to trade in my C55...
1. My C55 has too many miles 64K (CPO left till April)
2. This 335I has Aerodynamic Package, Dinan package (+78hp/=100 lb/Trq), Winter package, sports package, very nicely modified, black and red int.
What should I get for my trade in... ?
Cheers
There a couple of reasons that I want to trade in my C55...
1. My C55 has too many miles 64K (CPO left till April)
2. This 335I has Aerodynamic Package, Dinan package (+78hp/=100 lb/Trq), Winter package, sports package, very nicely modified, black and red int.
What should I get for my trade in... ?
Cheers
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mistake. my friend bought an 08' 6 speed stick coupe with the sport package with 50k miles for 19k. first of all, it's not really on the border of luxury of sport like that of the 55. it's just luxury. it's a COMPLETELY different feel and i drove it too. not not not sport inspired at all. if you were trying to upgrade or something, you would have bought an e92 m3 or any 63 models. i'm sorry, but the e90-e93 m3's are way to over rated.
If you drive it down the street and back you haven't really driven it. This being said, I'd still take my c55 over a 335i or a C63 over a e9x m3 because the usability of our hp/torque is better for a daily basis than the m cars.
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???? Are you serious? The e92 335i is MUCH more sportier than the c55. BMW's always have had better translation when it comes to driver input and feedback. As for more luxuries, the premium package or whatever its called on the 3 series is much better than our outdated navi. Technology wise and sportiness it has our car trumped. The only thing I can think of that the c55 has over the bmw in terms of luxury is the nappa leather versus the non premium leather of the 335i.
If you drive it down the street and back you haven't really driven it. This being said, I'd still take my c55 over a 335i or a C63 over a e9x m3 because the usability of our hp/torque is better for a daily basis than the m cars.
If you drive it down the street and back you haven't really driven it. This being said, I'd still take my c55 over a 335i or a C63 over a e9x m3 because the usability of our hp/torque is better for a daily basis than the m cars.
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Many thanks for all the comments!
There a couple of reasons that I want to trade in my C55...
1. My C55 has too many miles 64K (CPO left till April)
2. This 335I has Aerodynamic Package, Dinan package (+78hp/=100 lb/Trq), Winter package, sports package, very nicely modified, black and red int.
What should I get for my trade in... ?
Cheers
There a couple of reasons that I want to trade in my C55...
1. My C55 has too many miles 64K (CPO left till April)
2. This 335I has Aerodynamic Package, Dinan package (+78hp/=100 lb/Trq), Winter package, sports package, very nicely modified, black and red int.
What should I get for my trade in... ?
Cheers
I don't really see any sound judgement on why you would be doing this trade, except for the fact you just seem to prefer the 335 over the C55. In the end, get what you like and what YOU want, but the C55 is better in luxury, aura, reliability, and performance. 335 has a great balance of weight/suspension and driver feedback.
Good luck with your decision
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And by the way, I have a friend who bought a 2011 335 with everything, including the M-sport package (steering wheel, M bumpers, etc) and navigation. The navigation is definitely awesome.
Everything about the car is very nice inside and out, and he even claims he can take me in the 1/4 (which may be true, seeing as his car is 6 years newer). But the simple fact is that he paid about 60k or just under it for his 335 fully loaded. I much prefer my AMG at that price, even if I would've bought it new.
Everything about the car is very nice inside and out, and he even claims he can take me in the 1/4 (which may be true, seeing as his car is 6 years newer). But the simple fact is that he paid about 60k or just under it for his 335 fully loaded. I much prefer my AMG at that price, even if I would've bought it new.
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Many thanks for all the comments!
There a couple of reasons that I want to trade in my C55...
1. My C55 has too many miles 64K (CPO left till April)
2. This 335I has Aerodynamic Package, Dinan package (+78hp/=100 lb/Trq), Winter package, sports package, very nicely modified, black and red int.
What should I get for my trade in... ?
Cheers
There a couple of reasons that I want to trade in my C55...
1. My C55 has too many miles 64K (CPO left till April)
2. This 335I has Aerodynamic Package, Dinan package (+78hp/=100 lb/Trq), Winter package, sports package, very nicely modified, black and red int.
What should I get for my trade in... ?
Cheers
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i have both a 335i and a c55 lol, the c55 is cool cuz the v8, but the 335i with a dinan chip will be MUCH faster. The 335i feels a lot more sporty and is a lot more fun to drive. The suspension is tighter, the car just feels more nimble. Plus you can get a lot of power out of the car. If I were you I would get the 335i or maybe even an E46 M3, 26.9k could get you a nice M3. The m3 and 335i look more sporty especially with the aero package. besides c55s are way overrated.
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the whole fuel pump problem causes bmw to extend the warrenty for the pump until 120k miles and i havent had a problem. I have actually had more problems with my C55. Dont listen to those hardcore MB fans that claim they have driven it when they havent. or raced them when they havent. They just dont want you to buy a BMW. I have both love both. The c55 is good for just cruising and the 335i is good for sporty and fun driving.
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the whole fuel pump problem causes bmw to extend the warrenty for the pump until 120k miles and i havent had a problem. I have actually had more problems with my C55. Dont listen to those hardcore MB fans that claim they have driven it when they havent. or raced them when they havent. They just dont want you to buy a BMW. I have both love both. The c55 is good for just cruising and the 335i is good for sporty and fun driving.
off topic, do you have a black c55 by any chance?
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the whole fuel pump problem causes bmw to extend the warrenty for the pump until 120k miles and i havent had a problem. I have actually had more problems with my C55. Dont listen to those hardcore MB fans that claim they have driven it when they havent. or raced them when they havent. They just dont want you to buy a BMW. I have both love both. The c55 is good for just cruising and the 335i is good for sporty and fun driving.
That said, there are only two BMWs I would be willing to forgo the potential problems. An E60 M5 (because of that sound) or a 2001 750iL because it is just such a damn fine looking car).
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Wait until that BMW gets to be as old as the C55 and then let us know how many problems it has compared to the C55. BMWs just fall apart with age. I've not driven a 335i, but I've driven and worked on quite a few BMWs and while they are fun to drive I'd still keep my Benz. There are plenty of available suspension mods available for the W203 to make them handle better anyway.
That said, there are only two BMWs I would be willing to forgo the potential problems. An E60 M5 (because of that sound) or a 2001 750iL because it is just such a damn fine looking car).
That said, there are only two BMWs I would be willing to forgo the potential problems. An E60 M5 (because of that sound) or a 2001 750iL because it is just such a damn fine looking car).
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i have both a 335i and a c55 lol, the c55 is cool cuz the v8, but the 335i with a dinan chip will be MUCH faster. The 335i feels a lot more sporty and is a lot more fun to drive. The suspension is tighter, the car just feels more nimble. Plus you can get a lot of power out of the car. If I were you I would get the 335i or maybe even an E46 M3, 26.9k could get you a nice M3. The m3 and 335i look more sporty especially with the aero package. besides c55s are way overrated.
What?? In what regard??
Got a photo of your 335? I'd love to see what a well maintained modded one looks like?? Do you have the Aero package on yours?? Does it have the Dinan Chip??
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I've had/have both. I had a 2007 335i Sport Package with all options and a Procede piggyback. It was a beast, definitely a really fast car and I truly loved it.
As with many Inline-6 Turbo cars it was greeted with open arms by the Bimmer modding community and there's an endless list of things to do to them.
However, I would advise against getting any 335 prior to '09. First of all I prefer the newer version of the iDrive. Less lag, more options, DVD playback, better controls. Also most of the issues were fixed in the ~two years between the 07's and the 09's. Then there's the updated wastegate, HPFP (High Pressure Fuel Pump), blahblahblah. Simply a much more reliable model than the first models.
If its a choice between 2007 335 and keeping a C55. I'd keep the C55, but I'd take an '09+ 335 any day over the C55. Much easier to make it faster, the forums are much more active than Benz forums. Many more modders out there to buy used parts from. More vendors out there with sweet deals on after market parts whose prices won't require you to sell a kidney, etc...
Carmax took the 335 for $22k, it had 14k miles at the time and I sort of regret it. I could have easily squeezed a lot more money by selling it privately but that just wasn't really an option at the time.
Anyways, hope another opinion helps. I don't know if I'm too late because I didn't really care enough to read through the entire thread, haha.
As with many Inline-6 Turbo cars it was greeted with open arms by the Bimmer modding community and there's an endless list of things to do to them.
However, I would advise against getting any 335 prior to '09. First of all I prefer the newer version of the iDrive. Less lag, more options, DVD playback, better controls. Also most of the issues were fixed in the ~two years between the 07's and the 09's. Then there's the updated wastegate, HPFP (High Pressure Fuel Pump), blahblahblah. Simply a much more reliable model than the first models.
If its a choice between 2007 335 and keeping a C55. I'd keep the C55, but I'd take an '09+ 335 any day over the C55. Much easier to make it faster, the forums are much more active than Benz forums. Many more modders out there to buy used parts from. More vendors out there with sweet deals on after market parts whose prices won't require you to sell a kidney, etc...
Carmax took the 335 for $22k, it had 14k miles at the time and I sort of regret it. I could have easily squeezed a lot more money by selling it privately but that just wasn't really an option at the time.
Anyways, hope another opinion helps. I don't know if I'm too late because I didn't really care enough to read through the entire thread, haha.
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I've had/have both. I had a 2007 335i Sport Package with all options and a Procede piggyback. It was a beast, definitely a really fast car and I truly loved it.
As with many Inline-6 Turbo cars it was greeted with open arms by the Bimmer modding community and there's an endless list of things to do to them.
However, I would advise against getting any 335 prior to '09. First of all I prefer the newer version of the iDrive. Less lag, more options, DVD playback, better controls. Also most of the issues were fixed in the ~two years between the 07's and the 09's. Then there's the updated wastegate, HPFP (High Pressure Fuel Pump), blahblahblah. Simply a much more reliable model than the first models.
If its a choice between 2007 335 and keeping a C55. I'd keep the C55, but I'd take an '09+ 335 any day over the C55. Much easier to make it faster, the forums are much more active than Benz forums. Many more modders out there to buy used parts from. More vendors out there with sweet deals on after market parts whose prices won't require you to sell a kidney, etc...
Carmax took the 335 for $22k, it had 14k miles at the time and I sort of regret it. I could have easily squeezed a lot more money by selling it privately but that just wasn't really an option at the time.
Anyways, hope another opinion helps. I don't know if I'm too late because I didn't really care enough to read through the entire thread, haha.![naughty](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/naughty.gif)
As with many Inline-6 Turbo cars it was greeted with open arms by the Bimmer modding community and there's an endless list of things to do to them.
However, I would advise against getting any 335 prior to '09. First of all I prefer the newer version of the iDrive. Less lag, more options, DVD playback, better controls. Also most of the issues were fixed in the ~two years between the 07's and the 09's. Then there's the updated wastegate, HPFP (High Pressure Fuel Pump), blahblahblah. Simply a much more reliable model than the first models.
If its a choice between 2007 335 and keeping a C55. I'd keep the C55, but I'd take an '09+ 335 any day over the C55. Much easier to make it faster, the forums are much more active than Benz forums. Many more modders out there to buy used parts from. More vendors out there with sweet deals on after market parts whose prices won't require you to sell a kidney, etc...
Carmax took the 335 for $22k, it had 14k miles at the time and I sort of regret it. I could have easily squeezed a lot more money by selling it privately but that just wasn't really an option at the time.
Anyways, hope another opinion helps. I don't know if I'm too late because I didn't really care enough to read through the entire thread, haha.
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You have helped me make my decision... for now, I am thinking about keeping my C55. Dealer asking $26900 (difference approx $6500). 335i has NO Warranty, No Navi.
But the ride was sweet with Aero kit, Dinan exhaust kit, Dinan stage 1, Dynamic Cruise, sport pkg, black/red int…
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I was going to just respond to your PM, but I figured putting it in public view might be beneficial to others who are thinking of doing the same thing and just want to see another opinion...
~27k is an absolute rip off for that.
No nav? Forget it. Some people that it's a love/hate issue with iDrive. Usually the people that say that sort of thing don't drive a BMW.
Dinan is nice-ish. But way overpriced and way way too commercialized of an aftermarket brand.
For example, their exhausts are hella expensive yet the welds look like doodoo and there's nothing special about them. The ONLY benefit to Dinan is that it once was the only factory-like warrantied tuner for BMW, I believe many BMW dealerships still honor the Dinan parts warranty.
If I were you I'd log onto E90post.com today and look around the classifieds, also look around the sponsor sections to see what kind of deals there are on various types of mods.
If your C55 still has warranty it makes it a much more desireable car, therefore easier to sell privately. I wouldn't sell a CPO/warrantied car to CarMax just because they are not really going to consider it much of a value adder. (Keep in mind they (at all locations) buy hundreds of cars per day, they are a volume in / volume out dealer.)
Personally I think you should have your C55 detailed and have a local auto photographer (that you can find on various forums, if you can't find any try: http://www.autophotog.com/forums/) do a detailed photoshoot of all the critical angles of the car with loads of beauty shots to really catch peoples attention, then do a very detailed write-up on the history of the car etc... Your goal with this is to beat CarMAx's offer. This should be very very easy to do. I recently sold an '06 GTi MkV in for an appraisal, they offered me $11k but within just a month of just sitting on Craigslist I managed to get $13k for the car with no hassle and no real effort.
It's winter time so people in the market for cars like the C55 will not be on the prowl as much as they would during the warmer months. You never know though...
Anyways, I hope this helps. If I wasn't so busy with work, (and car hunting for other people already) I would help you find the sweetest 335 out there for the right price. If I get around to it or just so happen to stumble on one I'll PM you.
This is all just my opinion btw. I'm not a BMW hater. I have a fully worked up N/A '99 M3 fun toy, 'new to me' mod bug '05 C55, had an '07 ProCede 335, and had a '99 OEM-modded C43. So I'm not biased towards either side of the Bimmer/Benz spectrum.![drive](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/driving.gif)
If you can't find what you are looking for on the enthusiast forums I suggest searching through http://www.bmwusa.com/standard/content/cpo/default.aspx to find a nice CPO'ed car that you can finance through BMW. The warranty and extended maintenance plans will help keep headaches at bay and should make for a more enjoyable ownership experience.
I hope I'm helping.
~27k is an absolute rip off for that.
No nav? Forget it. Some people that it's a love/hate issue with iDrive. Usually the people that say that sort of thing don't drive a BMW.
Dinan is nice-ish. But way overpriced and way way too commercialized of an aftermarket brand.
For example, their exhausts are hella expensive yet the welds look like doodoo and there's nothing special about them. The ONLY benefit to Dinan is that it once was the only factory-like warrantied tuner for BMW, I believe many BMW dealerships still honor the Dinan parts warranty.
If I were you I'd log onto E90post.com today and look around the classifieds, also look around the sponsor sections to see what kind of deals there are on various types of mods.
If your C55 still has warranty it makes it a much more desireable car, therefore easier to sell privately. I wouldn't sell a CPO/warrantied car to CarMax just because they are not really going to consider it much of a value adder. (Keep in mind they (at all locations) buy hundreds of cars per day, they are a volume in / volume out dealer.)
Personally I think you should have your C55 detailed and have a local auto photographer (that you can find on various forums, if you can't find any try: http://www.autophotog.com/forums/) do a detailed photoshoot of all the critical angles of the car with loads of beauty shots to really catch peoples attention, then do a very detailed write-up on the history of the car etc... Your goal with this is to beat CarMAx's offer. This should be very very easy to do. I recently sold an '06 GTi MkV in for an appraisal, they offered me $11k but within just a month of just sitting on Craigslist I managed to get $13k for the car with no hassle and no real effort.
It's winter time so people in the market for cars like the C55 will not be on the prowl as much as they would during the warmer months. You never know though...
Anyways, I hope this helps. If I wasn't so busy with work, (and car hunting for other people already) I would help you find the sweetest 335 out there for the right price. If I get around to it or just so happen to stumble on one I'll PM you.
This is all just my opinion btw. I'm not a BMW hater. I have a fully worked up N/A '99 M3 fun toy, 'new to me' mod bug '05 C55, had an '07 ProCede 335, and had a '99 OEM-modded C43. So I'm not biased towards either side of the Bimmer/Benz spectrum.
![drive](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/driving.gif)
If you can't find what you are looking for on the enthusiast forums I suggest searching through http://www.bmwusa.com/standard/content/cpo/default.aspx to find a nice CPO'ed car that you can finance through BMW. The warranty and extended maintenance plans will help keep headaches at bay and should make for a more enjoyable ownership experience.
I hope I'm helping.
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I was going to just respond to your PM, but I figured putting it in public view might be beneficial to others who are thinking of doing the same thing and just want to see another opinion...
~27k is an absolute rip off for that.
No nav? Forget it. Some people that it's a love/hate issue with iDrive. Usually the people that say that sort of thing don't drive a BMW.
Dinan is nice-ish. But way overpriced and way way too commercialized of an aftermarket brand.
For example, their exhausts are hella expensive yet the welds look like doodoo and there's nothing special about them. The ONLY benefit to Dinan is that it once was the only factory-like warrantied tuner for BMW, I believe many BMW dealerships still honor the Dinan parts warranty.
If I were you I'd log onto E90post.com today and look around the classifieds, also look around the sponsor sections to see what kind of deals there are on various types of mods.
If your C55 still has warranty it makes it a much more desireable car, therefore easier to sell privately. I wouldn't sell a CPO/warrantied car to CarMax just because they are not really going to consider it much of a value adder. (Keep in mind they (at all locations) buy hundreds of cars per day, they are a volume in / volume out dealer.)
Personally I think you should have your C55 detailed and have a local auto photographer (that you can find on various forums, if you can't find any try: http://www.autophotog.com/forums/) do a detailed photoshoot of all the critical angles of the car with loads of beauty shots to really catch peoples attention, then do a very detailed write-up on the history of the car etc... Your goal with this is to beat CarMAx's offer. This should be very very easy to do. I recently sold an '06 GTi MkV in for an appraisal, they offered me $11k but within just a month of just sitting on Craigslist I managed to get $13k for the car with no hassle and no real effort.
It's winter time so people in the market for cars like the C55 will not be on the prowl as much as they would during the warmer months. You never know though...
Anyways, I hope this helps. If I wasn't so busy with work, (and car hunting for other people already) I would help you find the sweetest 335 out there for the right price. If I get around to it or just so happen to stumble on one I'll PM you.
This is all just my opinion btw. I'm not a BMW hater. I have a fully worked up N/A '99 M3 fun toy, 'new to me' mod bug '05 C55, had an '07 ProCede 335, and had a '99 OEM-modded C43. So I'm not biased towards either side of the Bimmer/Benz spectrum.![drive](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/driving.gif)
If you can't find what you are looking for on the enthusiast forums I suggest searching through http://www.bmwusa.com/standard/content/cpo/default.aspx to find a nice CPO'ed car that you can finance through BMW. The warranty and extended maintenance plans will help keep headaches at bay and should make for a more enjoyable ownership experience.
I hope I'm helping.![Smilie](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif)
~27k is an absolute rip off for that.
No nav? Forget it. Some people that it's a love/hate issue with iDrive. Usually the people that say that sort of thing don't drive a BMW.
Dinan is nice-ish. But way overpriced and way way too commercialized of an aftermarket brand.
For example, their exhausts are hella expensive yet the welds look like doodoo and there's nothing special about them. The ONLY benefit to Dinan is that it once was the only factory-like warrantied tuner for BMW, I believe many BMW dealerships still honor the Dinan parts warranty.
If I were you I'd log onto E90post.com today and look around the classifieds, also look around the sponsor sections to see what kind of deals there are on various types of mods.
If your C55 still has warranty it makes it a much more desireable car, therefore easier to sell privately. I wouldn't sell a CPO/warrantied car to CarMax just because they are not really going to consider it much of a value adder. (Keep in mind they (at all locations) buy hundreds of cars per day, they are a volume in / volume out dealer.)
Personally I think you should have your C55 detailed and have a local auto photographer (that you can find on various forums, if you can't find any try: http://www.autophotog.com/forums/) do a detailed photoshoot of all the critical angles of the car with loads of beauty shots to really catch peoples attention, then do a very detailed write-up on the history of the car etc... Your goal with this is to beat CarMAx's offer. This should be very very easy to do. I recently sold an '06 GTi MkV in for an appraisal, they offered me $11k but within just a month of just sitting on Craigslist I managed to get $13k for the car with no hassle and no real effort.
It's winter time so people in the market for cars like the C55 will not be on the prowl as much as they would during the warmer months. You never know though...
Anyways, I hope this helps. If I wasn't so busy with work, (and car hunting for other people already) I would help you find the sweetest 335 out there for the right price. If I get around to it or just so happen to stumble on one I'll PM you.
This is all just my opinion btw. I'm not a BMW hater. I have a fully worked up N/A '99 M3 fun toy, 'new to me' mod bug '05 C55, had an '07 ProCede 335, and had a '99 OEM-modded C43. So I'm not biased towards either side of the Bimmer/Benz spectrum.
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If you can't find what you are looking for on the enthusiast forums I suggest searching through http://www.bmwusa.com/standard/content/cpo/default.aspx to find a nice CPO'ed car that you can finance through BMW. The warranty and extended maintenance plans will help keep headaches at bay and should make for a more enjoyable ownership experience.
I hope I'm helping.
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Great info you provided!! Thanks for sharing!! You left out on critical part: BMW still and always will mean to me anyway, Big Money Wasted!! Not a hater of the car, I guess its more the "genre" . Talk about dropping like a rock, the 760 is one of the greatest cars they've built BUT in a year they tank like a rock....................I guess the "S" class MBs are no different