Just picked up an e90 M3, thinking of trading in the C55.
03-17-2011, 03:10 PM
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Seems to me, if you have room to actually do full 0-60, then you have more than enough room to to let a car rev out. Numbers are numbers. Yes, mag testers do tend to be pretty hard on the car when they test (launch control, dumping clutch from 4k, etc), but like E and others have said, a dual clutch auto will be able to meet the numbers just as easy as the full auto Benz does.
Now, in an impromptu roll on type race, a car with more torque might have the initial advantage, but again, if the road is long enough to get up to highway speeds, then the car with the hp/lb advantage or gearing advantages will catch up.
Now, in an impromptu roll on type race, a car with more torque might have the initial advantage, but again, if the road is long enough to get up to highway speeds, then the car with the hp/lb advantage or gearing advantages will catch up.
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The 4.2 0-60 is for the track where you can max out every gear and hit every single shift point. In everyday life between lights, you will be lucky to get anywhere close to that number in an M3. In a C55 or any car of that type, you can consistenly hit the published 0-60 number, all you have to do is step on it. You can magazine race all you want, but that's the bottom line.
In everyday life, any car that is low on torque will be slow. On a track is where the low torque ceases to be relevant because you have room to wind it up. Period. End of story. Any M3 owner who claims otherwise is an idiot, or fanboi.
In everyday life, any car that is low on torque will be slow. On a track is where the low torque ceases to be relevant because you have room to wind it up. Period. End of story. Any M3 owner who claims otherwise is an idiot, or fanboi.
03-17-2011, 03:19 PM
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03-17-2011, 03:23 PM
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Seems to me, if you have room to actually do full 0-60, then you have more than enough room to to let a car rev out. Numbers are numbers. Yes, mag testers do tend to be pretty hard on the car when they test (launch control, dumping clutch from 4k, etc), but like E and others have said, a dual clutch auto will be able to meet the numbers just as easy as the full auto Benz does.
Now, in an impromptu roll on type race, a car with more torque might have the initial advantage, but again, if the road is long enough to get up to highway speeds, then the car with the hp/lb advantage or gearing advantages will catch up.
Now, in an impromptu roll on type race, a car with more torque might have the initial advantage, but again, if the road is long enough to get up to highway speeds, then the car with the hp/lb advantage or gearing advantages will catch up.
Its a question of driver effort and stress. Hitting the number in a torquey car is low stress, hitting the same number in a screamer is hard work and stressful.
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How well does the "auto" mode work in your car? The wife would have required that mode if I had one with DCT. With the manual, she's less likely to take it.
BTW, I almost pulled the trigger on an '11 S4, but it sold 2 days b4 I had a chance to test drive it. The wife absolutely fell in love with that car, but pimped out and new, it was alot more than this car.
BTW, I almost pulled the trigger on an '11 S4, but it sold 2 days b4 I had a chance to test drive it. The wife absolutely fell in love with that car, but pimped out and new, it was alot more than this car.
03-17-2011, 03:24 PM
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well said. I'd be lucky to see 5.2 up to now. However, a buddy of mine at work asked me if I'd engaged the "M" button and set the EDC to "Sport", and I'm like wha?? (see, I haven't even read the Owners Manual yet), so I just took it out at lunch and put it in that mode. wow. big difference. Throttle response is where I'd expect it now....
The power button doesn't add power it just increases throttle response. BTW you can set the car to startup in a particular power and EDC mode.
The M button tailors these settings so you can drive along how you would normally drive and use the M button for agressive driving. Having a 6-speed somewhat reduces the need for the M button, some of the settings pertain to DCT shift agressiveness.
Wasn't cheap!! Sticker was $76k. She's fully loaded.
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How well does the "auto" mode work in your car? The wife would have required that mode if I had one with DCT. With the manual, she's less likely to take it.
BTW, I almost pulled the trigger on an '11 S4, but it sold 2 days b4 I had a chance to test drive it. The wife absolutely fell in love with that car, but pimped out and new, it was alot more than this car.
BTW, I almost pulled the trigger on an '11 S4, but it sold 2 days b4 I had a chance to test drive it. The wife absolutely fell in love with that car, but pimped out and new, it was alot more than this car.
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Sport EDC is too harsh, I like Normal when driving agressively and stay in Comfort most of the time.
The power button doesn't add power it just increases throttle response. BTW you can set the car to startup in a particular power and EDC mode.
The M button tailors these settings so you can drive along how you would normally drive and use the M button for agressive driving. Having a 6-speed somewhat reduces the need for the M button, some of the settings pertain to DCT shift agressiveness.
Wasn't cheap!! Sticker was $76k. She's fully loaded.
The power button doesn't add power it just increases throttle response. BTW you can set the car to startup in a particular power and EDC mode.
The M button tailors these settings so you can drive along how you would normally drive and use the M button for agressive driving. Having a 6-speed somewhat reduces the need for the M button, some of the settings pertain to DCT shift agressiveness.
Wasn't cheap!! Sticker was $76k. She's fully loaded.
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Never driven a DCT, just an SMGII once.
The wife gave the M3 a test drive and did o.k., but shifted WAY too soon, like 2.5K (!) I kept coaching, but that's just her.
The total driving experience, brakes, handling, etc. is pretty damn impressive.
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Next couple weeks are shot for me, with business travel and vaca to follow.....
Never driven a DCT, just an SMGII once.
The wife gave the M3 a test drive and did o.k., but shifted WAY too soon, like 2.5K (!) I kept coaching, but that's just her.
The total driving experience, brakes, handling, etc. is pretty damn impressive.
Never driven a DCT, just an SMGII once.
The wife gave the M3 a test drive and did o.k., but shifted WAY too soon, like 2.5K (!) I kept coaching, but that's just her.
The total driving experience, brakes, handling, etc. is pretty damn impressive.
03-17-2011, 03:39 PM
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The 6.2 may be short lived though. When do we see the 5.5 TT in the C? God damn Mercedes and its ridiculously short model lifespan playing havoc with resale.
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The M will be a TT V6 next as well, I think. Hopefully the gas mileage will improve.
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like I said, I don't actually "own" this car yet, I'm still on a 5-day trial period. I have an appointment with BMW Fri afternoon to give it a good check-out. I'll make my decision after that.
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