Just picked up an e90 M3, thinking of trading in the C55.
03-17-2011, 12:16 PM
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Just picked up an e90 M3, thinking of trading in the C55.
In a bind, man I love that C55, but I found a great deal on a used M3 and jumped on it. I have till Sat to return it, no questions asked. Still in the decision process......
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03-17-2011, 12:42 PM
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I work at one of the local BMW dealers here in town. The E90 M3 is a nice car. It's much meaner looking than the E92. I think you may miss the torque of the C55 however. If you keep it though, congrats!
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03-17-2011, 01:56 PM
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I hear ya. The quote I got from CarMax was lower than I was expecting, however, the C55 was mainly the wife's car/kid-hauler, so it does have some wear.....
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You nailed it with the torque. I know on paper the M should be faster, but it doesn't feel like it. The frickin AMG is an ANIMAL off the line and alot easier to push to its limits, the M you need to learn how to keep it in it's power band, like well above 4000 rpm....
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Isn't the E90 M3 supposed to be able to do 60mph in 3.9s? Does the lower torque still make it feel slower even if it's almost 1second faster than the C55?
I know it's a high revving engine and stuff, but I find it weird that it doesn't feel as fast even if it's faster.
I know it's a high revving engine and stuff, but I find it weird that it doesn't feel as fast even if it's faster.
03-17-2011, 02:27 PM
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In everyday life, any car that is low on torque will be slow. On a track is where the low torque ceases to be relevant because you have room to wind it up. Period. End of story. Any M3 owner who claims otherwise is an idiot, or fanboi.
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The 4.2 0-60 is for the track where you can max out every gear and hit every single shift point. In everyday life between lights, you will be lucky to get anywhere close to that number in an M3. In a C55 or any car of that type, you can consistenly hit the published 0-60 number, all you have to do is step on it. You can magazine race all you want, but that's the bottom line.
In everyday life, any car that is low on torque will be slow. On a track is where the low torque ceases to be relevant because you have room to wind it up. Period. End of story. Any M3 owner who claims otherwise is an idiot, or fanboi.
In everyday life, any car that is low on torque will be slow. On a track is where the low torque ceases to be relevant because you have room to wind it up. Period. End of story. Any M3 owner who claims otherwise is an idiot, or fanboi.
I'm willing to bet with my DCT I'll be able to consistently be pretty close to that number day in and day out. All I have to do is step on it too.
It doesn't sound like you understand gearing very well.
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He might mean when you're throwing your own gears...I have no doubt DCT cars can achieve their published 0-60 times in the real world without too much difficulty at all.
03-17-2011, 02:59 PM
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So are you saying the C55 can hit published 0-60 times without maxing out every gear?
I'm willing to bet with my DCT I'll be able to consistently be pretty close to that number day in and day out. All I have to do is step on it too.
It doesn't sound like you understand gearing very well.
I'm willing to bet with my DCT I'll be able to consistently be pretty close to that number day in and day out. All I have to do is step on it too.
It doesn't sound like you understand gearing very well.
The C55 will hit published numbers consistently and with minimum fuss because it makes 370 ft-lbs at 4000 rpm. M3 makes peak torque (80 ft-lbs less) at what 5k? Where do you make your peak HP? 8k? C55 makes it at 5k. Fanbois who read magazines will only look at the HP number, without any understanding of where the power is delivered in the rev band.
In the real world, you don't have room to let the RPMs climb. Any car that makes power at astronomical revs will be slower than cars that make power at low down in the band. Fact. Torque is more important in real life. Fact.
I adore the M3, don't get me wrong. Let's not make this into an M3 versus AMG argument either.
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Dude, I'm an ex-M3 owner, so I understand it quite well. The problem seems to be that you don't understand RPMs very well.
The C55 will hit published numbers consistently and with minimum fuss because it makes 370 ft-lbs at 4000 rpm. M3 makes peak torque (80 ft-lbs less) at what 5k? Where do you make your peak HP? 8k? C55 makes it at 5k. Fanbois who read magazines will only look at the HP number, without any understanding of where the power is delivered in the rev band.
In the real world, you don't have room to let the RPMs climb. Any car that makes power at astronomical revs will be slower than cars that make power at low down in the band. Fact. Torque is more important in real life. Fact.
I adore the M3, don't get me wrong. Let's not make this into an M3 versus AMG argument either.
The C55 will hit published numbers consistently and with minimum fuss because it makes 370 ft-lbs at 4000 rpm. M3 makes peak torque (80 ft-lbs less) at what 5k? Where do you make your peak HP? 8k? C55 makes it at 5k. Fanbois who read magazines will only look at the HP number, without any understanding of where the power is delivered in the rev band.
In the real world, you don't have room to let the RPMs climb. Any car that makes power at astronomical revs will be slower than cars that make power at low down in the band. Fact. Torque is more important in real life. Fact.
I adore the M3, don't get me wrong. Let's not make this into an M3 versus AMG argument either.
Remember folks, torque is multiplied through the gearbox and drivetrain while HP is NOT.
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I love the white btw in the E9x with the black trim around the rearview mirrors, etc, it would have been my second choice next to black on black on black (which is the fastest color combo you know
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You got that right. I haven't driven a manual since 2001, and with this one, you really have to know how to do it right, which I totally suck at right now....
DCT would have been my choice. I found another used '08 w/ DCT here, but it had 50K miles!!
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Wow, congrats!! how do you like your M3? What year is it. This is the first used car I've ever purchased, so I'm a little cautious as to how it was driven.
I love the white btw in the E9x with the black trim around the rearview mirrors, etc, it would have been my second choice next to black on black on black (which is the fastest color combo you know)
I love the white btw in the E9x with the black trim around the rearview mirrors, etc, it would have been my second choice next to black on black on black (which is the fastest color combo you know
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