What do you think about a Twin turboed C55?
10-06-2011, 05:36 PM
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You can source just about everything except the turbo from here --> http://www.mandrelbendingsolutions.c...let/StoreFront
I had them cut out my secondaries before I bought the Kleemann headers and dual exhaust. Pretty chill guys and do clean work IMO
10-06-2011, 07:34 PM
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10-06-2011, 08:38 PM
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Uhhh MSH.... cory at kleeman told me about that gutted klee box.. it was a gutted klee box... no custom half..... just removed the rotors (from what I gathered).
In any case.... you can figure something out...... if you are motivated for SPEEED!
In any case.... you can figure something out...... if you are motivated for SPEEED!
10-06-2011, 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by dre5373
Funny...my C55 is at MBS right now getting the exhaust welded up I had them cut out my secondaries before I bought the Kleemann headers and dual exhaust. Pretty chill guys and do clean work IMO
take pics!
I'll try, but I probably won't be picking it up from MBH. Had a friend who owns one of the sickest SL55's I've ever seen install the headers at his shop (A-1 Transmission right down the street from MBH).
Back on topic, does the Kleemann sc kit replace the stock MAF? Or is everything needed to run the sc included in the Kleemann tune? I guess what I'm asking is would whatever modifications are made to allow for the Kleemann sc install work with a turbo setup?
Originally Posted by dre5373
Funny...my C55 is at MBS right now getting the exhaust welded up
I had them cut out my secondaries before I bought the Kleemann headers and dual exhaust. Pretty chill guys and do clean work IMOtake pics!
I'll try, but I probably won't be picking it up from MBH. Had a friend who owns one of the sickest SL55's I've ever seen install the headers at his shop (A-1 Transmission right down the street from MBH).
Back on topic, does the Kleemann sc kit replace the stock MAF? Or is everything needed to run the sc included in the Kleemann tune? I guess what I'm asking is would whatever modifications are made to allow for the Kleemann sc install work with a turbo setup?
10-07-2011, 05:03 PM
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Interesting, seems like a waste of a good blower but cool build nonetheless.
10-07-2011, 09:45 PM
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Agreed MSH..... from what I understand the owner has a ferrari invested in this build..... so coin not a factor in the build......
I would probably do the gutted stock intake and run a air-air intercooler in the front of the car like the 4 banger imports...... you get good heat reduction in intake charge with a quality air-air i/c. Plus no extra coolant lines to run, no h/e pumps etc...... no heat soak of the h/e coolant media...... etc...
GL.
I would probably do the gutted stock intake and run a air-air intercooler in the front of the car like the 4 banger imports...... you get good heat reduction in intake charge with a quality air-air i/c. Plus no extra coolant lines to run, no h/e pumps etc...... no heat soak of the h/e coolant media...... etc...
GL.
10-22-2011, 08:48 AM
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Ideally you would install forged pistons with a compression ratio for the C55 engine with the std rods of 9.5:1. With 11:1 pistons your max boost will be about 7psi whether you use supercharging or turbo charging.
If you are going to turbo charge especially at 11:1 static compression ratio, selection of turbo chargers and turbo charger trim will be VERY IMPORTANT for a good tune. A turbo manufacturing company like Garrett Turbos once you supply your engine specifications will be able to recommend turbos to suit your application. Intercooling is also very important when using turbos and you will need a custom full size intercooler radiator with a minimum thickness of 30mm on the front of the car.
If you are going to turbo charge especially at 11:1 static compression ratio, selection of turbo chargers and turbo charger trim will be VERY IMPORTANT for a good tune. A turbo manufacturing company like Garrett Turbos once you supply your engine specifications will be able to recommend turbos to suit your application. Intercooling is also very important when using turbos and you will need a custom full size intercooler radiator with a minimum thickness of 30mm on the front of the car.
10-23-2011, 09:33 PM
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Ideally you would install forged pistons with a compression ratio for the C55 engine with the std rods of 9.5:1. With 11:1 pistons your max boost will be about 7psi whether you use supercharging or turbo charging.
If you are going to turbo charge especially at 11:1 static compression ratio, selection of turbo chargers and turbo charger trim will be VERY IMPORTANT for a good tune. A turbo manufacturing company like Garrett Turbos once you supply your engine specifications will be able to recommend turbos to suit your application. Intercooling is also very important when using turbos and you will need a custom full size intercooler radiator with a minimum thickness of 30mm on the front of the car.
If you are going to turbo charge especially at 11:1 static compression ratio, selection of turbo chargers and turbo charger trim will be VERY IMPORTANT for a good tune. A turbo manufacturing company like Garrett Turbos once you supply your engine specifications will be able to recommend turbos to suit your application. Intercooling is also very important when using turbos and you will need a custom full size intercooler radiator with a minimum thickness of 30mm on the front of the car.
10-24-2011, 06:11 AM
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Usually 9:1 gives the best compromise of off boost driveability and peak hp. A T66 is a fairly small turbo for a 5+ liter V8 so you will certainly have boost very low down in the rev range. Just bear in mind that the T series are antiques now. Look for something from compturbo, precision or the new borg warner EFR series. These are all much more efficient and compturbo for example will make whatever you want with triple ball bearing and a billet compressor wheel.
11-01-2011, 11:49 AM
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I talked to precision and they said this turbo would be the best pick, http://www.precisionturbo.net/Street...PT7175-CEA/273
11-02-2011, 01:39 AM
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Probably not a bad choice. However it is a huge turbo. Unless you are looking at 6-700+ whp something smaller might meet your power goals while giving you better low down torque (as if you need that with the V8).
I can get you in touch with someone who does compturbo if you want to look at a custom one. He organized my triple ball bearing, billet compressor turbo for my celica, it was about US$1100-1300 I think which is very competitive for the latest in turbo tech.
I can get you in touch with someone who does compturbo if you want to look at a custom one. He organized my triple ball bearing, billet compressor turbo for my celica, it was about US$1100-1300 I think which is very competitive for the latest in turbo tech.
11-02-2011, 10:54 AM
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Probably not a bad choice. However it is a huge turbo. Unless you are looking at 6-700+ whp something smaller might meet your power goals while giving you better low down torque (as if you need that with the V8).
I can get you in touch with someone who does compturbo if you want to look at a custom one. He organized my triple ball bearing, billet compressor turbo for my celica, it was about US$1100-1300 I think which is very competitive for the latest in turbo tech.
I can get you in touch with someone who does compturbo if you want to look at a custom one. He organized my triple ball bearing, billet compressor turbo for my celica, it was about US$1100-1300 I think which is very competitive for the latest in turbo tech.
11-04-2011, 02:32 AM
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Originally Posted by MBfinatic
First off thank you! for all the info. Eurocharge is going to do the tuning on this project most likely. Do you think later on it would be possible to run higher boost? Of course with me adding forged internals and injectors etc.
Most OEM throttle bodies can accept boost without blowing apart when its snapped shut but this is another potential weak point. Also some NA engines have plastic intake manifolds or plenums, this would not work so well. I don't know how the PCV is setup but this might need rethinking.
I haven't read the whole thread but things to consider are obvious turbo placement which I'm sure would have been discussed. External wastegate placement, electronic boost controller, routing of downpipe from turbo, if running single turbo you will need a cross over pipe from the other exhaust manifold and this has the obvious potential to melt anything around it. These engines are supposedly very strong but you might need ARP head studs and metal head gasket if they don't already come with one.
Can the stock map sensor read boost? Water to air intercooling would be the best in a tight engine bay like these. I would copy the C32 layout if possible. Food for thought.
11-04-2011, 07:50 AM
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if this is something you truely want to do you may consider talking to bell engineering. corky bell is the true GODFATHER of turbocharging the inventor of the rising rate regulater and there isnt a car built he cant turbo. they are looking at a twin turbo setup as we speak for the crossfire and will be using kleeman tuning technology as they are working in conjunction with brandon. worth a trip to san antonio to use the best. btw they are looking at a price point of 3500 to 4000 for the xfire setup!
11-05-2011, 08:58 PM
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I'm going to take a wild stab in the dark here and say it would be best to start out with a 55K block with 9:1 compresssion or take the rotating assembly from a kompressor block and install it in the NA block.
11-16-2011, 07:35 PM
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if this is something you truely want to do you may consider talking to bell engineering. corky bell is the true GODFATHER of turbocharging the inventor of the rising rate regulater and there isnt a car built he cant turbo. they are looking at a twin turbo setup as we speak for the crossfire and will be using kleeman tuning technology as they are working in conjunction with brandon. worth a trip to san antonio to use the best. btw they are looking at a price point of 3500 to 4000 for the xfire setup!
Here's what Cory at Kleeman said to MBfinatic:
Originally Posted by LantanaTX
In the quest for more power for my car, I have made some new friends! i was talking to Brandon who runs Kleeman USA. In talking to him we agreed that a turbo would be a fantastic way to go. I mentioned that turboing a n/a Crossfire hasn't been proven to work becuase of the tuning. He went over the whole fuel management sytem that is used on the Kleeman supercharger system and I was suprised at its simplicity and low cost. Kleeman systems are proven and bullet proof. He went on to mention that the system would work exactly the same on a turbo or supercharger. He also mentioned that a friend of his I should talk to wrote the book on turbo charging. His name is Corky Bell. You can find his books in the book stores and Amazon. Corky is a legend when it comes to turbo and superchargers. You also need to know someone to be able to talk to him. I called and said I was referred by Brandon and was able to get him on the phone. We discussed the project and I am moving foward.
Here is the decision. I can build the system myself and Corky and Kleeman have both offered to consult and provide parts to made it work. I am now confident that making it work great is not an issue. Corky however would like me to bring the car to his shop in San Antonio and let him do the work so that we can make a turbo kit for the n/a Crossfire. If I do this it will cost me more, but you guys will have a complete well engineered kit that will allow you to potentially blow right past an SRT. Corky's stated goal is to sell a minimum of 5 kits. The target price for kits is around $3,500.
To allow Corky Bell to build my kit, I need to find out how much more it will cost and if there is solid interest by at least five people who would do this after it is proven. The only significant difference in what we do to my car and the n/a V6 will be the size of the turbo. If I don't see 5 or more commitments I will do the work myself. So if the system is first rate, runs fastastic and dyno proven and 1/4 mile tested, would you commit? Maybe you have a six speed and want a big performance boost?
Here is the decision. I can build the system myself and Corky and Kleeman have both offered to consult and provide parts to made it work. I am now confident that making it work great is not an issue. Corky however would like me to bring the car to his shop in San Antonio and let him do the work so that we can make a turbo kit for the n/a Crossfire. If I do this it will cost me more, but you guys will have a complete well engineered kit that will allow you to potentially blow right past an SRT. Corky's stated goal is to sell a minimum of 5 kits. The target price for kits is around $3,500.
To allow Corky Bell to build my kit, I need to find out how much more it will cost and if there is solid interest by at least five people who would do this after it is proven. The only significant difference in what we do to my car and the n/a V6 will be the size of the turbo. If I don't see 5 or more commitments I will do the work myself. So if the system is first rate, runs fastastic and dyno proven and 1/4 mile tested, would you commit? Maybe you have a six speed and want a big performance boost?
