*!* I am dynoing my car at a third party dyno tomorrow *!*
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*!* I am dynoing my car at a third party dyno tomorrow *!*
In an atempt to end all the bickering going on by various companies, I have chosen to dyno my car at a third party dyno. I believe this is the farest way to do it.
I will be dynoing my car with :
1. stock chip, For a baseline
2. ASE's chip, The one that was previously dynoed at EvoSport to show the chips power gain.
The car will be dynoed on 91 octane pump gas.
I invite ANYONE that would like to be present to attend.
I am dynoing my car at 10am.
You can get directions by calling 714-630-1555 or by visiting there web page at http://www.eurosportacc.com/ and clicking the " contact us section" to view a map. EuroSport is located in Anaheim CA.
If you need extra help with directions or have a question email me at : theloser0@aol.com
I will be dynoing my car with :
1. stock chip, For a baseline
2. ASE's chip, The one that was previously dynoed at EvoSport to show the chips power gain.
The car will be dynoed on 91 octane pump gas.
I invite ANYONE that would like to be present to attend.
I am dynoing my car at 10am.
You can get directions by calling 714-630-1555 or by visiting there web page at http://www.eurosportacc.com/ and clicking the " contact us section" to view a map. EuroSport is located in Anaheim CA.
If you need extra help with directions or have a question email me at : theloser0@aol.com
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Yes my car has other mods, all of which will be posted shortly. I also have another C32 coming to the dyno. His car only has the Evo ODPS, everything else is stock. He too will be dynoing the ASE chip.
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Guys and Gals,
I hate suspense, so I called my friend Raffi (the owner of Eurosport) to get the results.
This is what he told me:
330hp - Stock Chip on CA91
340hp - ASE Chip on CA91
349hp - ASE Chip on CA95/96 (mix with 100 Race Gas)
I have asked him to e-mail me the graphs, but they are having a hard time with e-mail from that PC. They said they would figure it out for me if we don't get them posted by Nima.
So the result was good, a nice gain, but certainly NOT the 39HP claimed! I want to see the chart to see the are under the curve.
Thanks
Brad
I hate suspense, so I called my friend Raffi (the owner of Eurosport) to get the results.
This is what he told me:
330hp - Stock Chip on CA91
340hp - ASE Chip on CA91
349hp - ASE Chip on CA95/96 (mix with 100 Race Gas)
I have asked him to e-mail me the graphs, but they are having a hard time with e-mail from that PC. They said they would figure it out for me if we don't get them posted by Nima.
So the result was good, a nice gain, but certainly NOT the 39HP claimed! I want to see the chart to see the are under the curve.
Thanks
Brad
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C32 AMG
results
Even 340 RWHP translates to what, about 405 HP at the crank? Not too bad! And mid 12's in the 1/4 mile puts it right on par with the new E55.
What mods does the 330RWHP include for stock chip? Seems like those mods are where all the gain (30-40HP) is coming from.
What mods does the 330RWHP include for stock chip? Seems like those mods are where all the gain (30-40HP) is coming from.
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The other car was not chipped and showed between 315 and 320 at the wheels with our ODPS and no other mods. This is more then he showed on our dyno, again proving that once adapted, the cars make more power.
Thanks
Brad
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This is the reason why we wanted to dyno stock software vs. ASE software back to back. Nima's C32 only had one run with ODPS (315HP) and and we typically see adaptation taking 3-4 runs to be optimum.
Most ODPS cars end up with 315 to 320 HP. Nima also has SL55 intake splitter, K&N filters no resonator and no rear catalytic converters. We know the splitter is worth around 5HP, so the rear cats and the resonator are around 5HP also.
So him at 330HP stock makes perfect sense. Add more timing trough software that makes 340HP, add some race gas and you are 349HP.
Most ODPS cars end up with 315 to 320 HP. Nima also has SL55 intake splitter, K&N filters no resonator and no rear catalytic converters. We know the splitter is worth around 5HP, so the rear cats and the resonator are around 5HP also.
So him at 330HP stock makes perfect sense. Add more timing trough software that makes 340HP, add some race gas and you are 349HP.
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Originally posted by Zeppelin
So why the big difference between the Evosport dyno 362rwhp and this latest test at 349rwhp?
So why the big difference between the Evosport dyno 362rwhp and this latest test at 349rwhp?
Read the latest (could be last month's now) issue of Turbo, they did a dyno test of various brands on the same car on the same day, and the results were all over the place, even between 2 dynojets.
Which is why I only trust dyno numbers when mods are done on the same dyno on the same day within an hour of each other. Even then the dyno numbers just represents gain, the number itself could be off.
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Zeppelin: 362HP was a spike at the end of the run. Of course NIMA added that in his total. Car made 354HP at the peak on 94 octane mix.
Rage2: As far as dynos. I do not know about other brands, but I do know that DYNOJETS are very close to one another, I would say within 1-2HP.
How do I know this? I have another DYNOJET at a Mustang shop two doors down. Over the last six years we have ran all kinds of cars back to back on our dyno and theirs. You can overlay both graphs from different dynos over each other and only see one graph. No difference.
Back in 1997 when we got our DYNOJET, one of the magazine did a story on it's accuraccy by running a 5.0L Mustang on our DYNOJET, Kenne Bell DYNOJET and Stillen DYNOJET. Again the graphs overlayed one another.
Now, I read the dyno trash story. TURBO magazine is 2 miles away from us. I know most of the stuff who works there. Let's just say that their level of knowledge is green and leave it at that.
They picked an OBDII (350Z) car to use for the story. It is very important to properly monitor and cool OBDII car to get consistent results. They did not do that and now this BS story is the result.
Rage2: As far as dynos. I do not know about other brands, but I do know that DYNOJETS are very close to one another, I would say within 1-2HP.
How do I know this? I have another DYNOJET at a Mustang shop two doors down. Over the last six years we have ran all kinds of cars back to back on our dyno and theirs. You can overlay both graphs from different dynos over each other and only see one graph. No difference.
Back in 1997 when we got our DYNOJET, one of the magazine did a story on it's accuraccy by running a 5.0L Mustang on our DYNOJET, Kenne Bell DYNOJET and Stillen DYNOJET. Again the graphs overlayed one another.
Now, I read the dyno trash story. TURBO magazine is 2 miles away from us. I know most of the stuff who works there. Let's just say that their level of knowledge is green and leave it at that.
They picked an OBDII (350Z) car to use for the story. It is very important to properly monitor and cool OBDII car to get consistent results. They did not do that and now this BS story is the result.
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Jerry: We have nothing to do with ASE.
All of our software comes from POWERCHIPS. We make custom files for each application and Power Stage level on our DYNOJET.
BTW, our C32 is on the schedule tomorrow for more tuning.
All of our software comes from POWERCHIPS. We make custom files for each application and Power Stage level on our DYNOJET.
BTW, our C32 is on the schedule tomorrow for more tuning.
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Hello Guys,
Sorry to keep you guy in suspense, but Nima's scanner is not working well. So he brought the graphs back to me.
Attached is the graph showing a 15 RWHP gain. This is a graph that Raffi at Eurosport did not mention to Brad. Not only did we try the first chip that Nima had dynoed at Evo, but we also had a second chip that was tested.
Also, "C32AMG" showed up today (7/02/03) and we installed the 346 RWHP chip. C32AMG also mention that is dyno'ing his car soon along with his removed rear cat.
The ASE chip is also a dual bank chip where two programs can be stored. You can run a 91 Octane program and the other one can be a 98 or Nitrous program. Programs can be switch easy by a standard toggle switch, push button switch or by factory accessory switch. When the second program is access, it makes the switch with in milli-seconds. Which means you don't have too shut down your car to switch from program to program.
Thank you all for your patience and support.
Sorry to keep you guy in suspense, but Nima's scanner is not working well. So he brought the graphs back to me.
Attached is the graph showing a 15 RWHP gain. This is a graph that Raffi at Eurosport did not mention to Brad. Not only did we try the first chip that Nima had dynoed at Evo, but we also had a second chip that was tested.
Also, "C32AMG" showed up today (7/02/03) and we installed the 346 RWHP chip. C32AMG also mention that is dyno'ing his car soon along with his removed rear cat.
The ASE chip is also a dual bank chip where two programs can be stored. You can run a 91 Octane program and the other one can be a 98 or Nitrous program. Programs can be switch easy by a standard toggle switch, push button switch or by factory accessory switch. When the second program is access, it makes the switch with in milli-seconds. Which means you don't have too shut down your car to switch from program to program.
Thank you all for your patience and support.
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Originally posted by Mach430
It is available now. Vadim will do a write-up on it tomorrow explaining the peak gains as well as the greatly improved throttle response and drivability.
Ben
It is available now. Vadim will do a write-up on it tomorrow explaining the peak gains as well as the greatly improved throttle response and drivability.
Ben
