Who developed their own air intake system? Why aren't more folks doing this?
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2002 C32 AMG, 2013 GLK 350/4, 2015 E63S AMG Wagon
"Maybe" for your SRT...for our C32, these DIY intakes will do just as well. Guys here me out on this...Rob makes a good product, but you don't need to spend that much. All respect AMX, but it almost seems you have skin in this (I'm guessing you've gotten to know and respect rob over the years so feel you need to speak up on his product...I get it...but you claims are over stated for our application).
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I don't disagree with your assessment regarding claims made by AMX. Sometimes he tries too hard with his advice (like his recent LSD related statements). But at the end of the day he just wants to help and I'm sure does not have any financial interest in needswings.com. I do however want to give Rob from needswings.com (and some of the SRT6 guys that have co-developed a few products with Rob) a huge credit for continuing to innovate and improve the M112K platform. Your post feels somewhat negative regarding Rob and the prices he charges for the intake. Yes, you can now buy all the parts to make your own intake for less, but until Rob posted the pictures of his intake and sold a few units, I did not see anyone come even close to what he had. Rob is running a business, and he has a need to cover his R&D expenses and generate a profit. So, while copying Rob's intellectual property without paying for it, at least show some appreciation.
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So has anyone done this intake and a re-tune yet? I just picked up a y pipe from Shardul fairly inexpensively so I might as well jump on the bandwagon with this intake. Would I benefit from a retune or would it just be a waste of time?
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I personally wouldn't bother with a retune. Good tuners won't pull too much fuel during an intial tune as to account for atmospheric conditions (unless they know enough on how to utilize all adaptive tables...of course I'm assuming this is all similiar to EEC-V)...that said your extra air will be just fine to get you the hp you are after (my realistic est would be +/-15...you get something more high quality with better fitment and a quality teflon coating application such as needswings you may see a few more)
Now from a stock tune...yeah a tune will extend the benefits a lot more, but I wouldn't bother unless you were all done with all mods.
That said...if its free hell go for it, they may get you and extra 2-3hp over the +/-15 you'll gain over stock on an intake like this.
Now from a stock tune...yeah a tune will extend the benefits a lot more, but I wouldn't bother unless you were all done with all mods.
That said...if its free hell go for it, they may get you and extra 2-3hp over the +/-15 you'll gain over stock on an intake like this.
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Yes...I have the SL55 intake and gained 10rwhp on a dyno dynamics (same eurocharged dyno before and after),...this intake WILL flow better. That said the dyne results may only show 10-12...but note the fans they place in front of the dyno will not be able to replicate the cold air coming in at 40+mph where you'll see, IMO, 15hp or more. Gains from intakes are harder to demonstrate on dyno vs the strip.
Honestly, I am very close to pulling trigger on CLS55, M5 or M6 else I'd be looking to "UPGRADE" my SL55 intake to one of these DIY intake (unless say Needswings drops thje price a bit).
Honestly, I am very close to pulling trigger on CLS55, M5 or M6 else I'd be looking to "UPGRADE" my SL55 intake to one of these DIY intake (unless say Needswings drops thje price a bit).
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Great info, thanks! I called Eurocharged yesterday and a gentleman I spoke to said I wouldn't need a retune for the intake so I'll just stick with what I have.
Those cars you listed are pretty sweet. The E60 M5 and the E63 M6 have one of the best sounding engines of all time which alone makes me want to buy one over a CLS55. However, the lower torque in the CLS55 will definitely put a grin on your face. The CLS55 is also a more tunable platform being supercharged. Nonetheless, all great cars. I've driven my friends dads M6 before and it drives really well, like really well. Very good steering feel but the car does feel big. Still rails corners though.
Those cars you listed are pretty sweet. The E60 M5 and the E63 M6 have one of the best sounding engines of all time which alone makes me want to buy one over a CLS55. However, the lower torque in the CLS55 will definitely put a grin on your face. The CLS55 is also a more tunable platform being supercharged. Nonetheless, all great cars. I've driven my friends dads M6 before and it drives really well, like really well. Very good steering feel but the car does feel big. Still rails corners though.
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Yes...I have the SL55 intake and gained 10rwhp on a dyno dynamics (same eurocharged dyno before and after),...this intake WILL flow better. That said the dyne results may only show 10-12...but note the fans they place in front of the dyno will not be able to replicate the cold air coming in at 40+mph where you'll see, IMO, 15hp or more. Gains from intakes are harder to demonstrate on dyno vs the strip.
Honestly, I am very close to pulling trigger on CLS55, M5 or M6 else I'd be looking to "UPGRADE" my SL55 intake to one of these DIY intake (unless say Needswings drops thje price a bit).
Honestly, I am very close to pulling trigger on CLS55, M5 or M6 else I'd be looking to "UPGRADE" my SL55 intake to one of these DIY intake (unless say Needswings drops thje price a bit).
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Risk of vacuuming in water - Sandy inspired thought
With our home built, cone filter, direct to grill horn scoop, cold air intakes have we increased the risk of sucking in water to the thirsty supercharger? Should a massive puddle leap up from no where and splash us in the face would these sealed systems be any different than the stock baffled intake tubes and square walled filter boxes? Would it behoove the daily driver to have some sort of drain or trap at the scoop just behind the grill or should we just take the girl friend's car out in the hurricane?
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You don't have anything to worry about. What little (very little if any) will make it to your throttle body will be vaporized easily enough.
I see no way for any real amount of water to make its way back to your T/B.
In short, a non issue if you ask me.
I see no way for any real amount of water to make its way back to your T/B.
In short, a non issue if you ask me.
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Sorry to drag up an old topic gents, but I am going down the road of a diy intake as well. But I am having some issues finding a E55 or SL55 intake y pipe and snorkel tubes. All the old links seem to be dead I haven't seen anywhere else that carries them any help would be mucho appreciated. Thanks
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Quick update for anyone researching the project. The part #'s posted on the SRT Crossfire forums diagram are still good. Genuinemercedesparts.com doesn't have a diagram either but they have the parts in stock
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We specialize in performance air intakes and I was quite impressed with the ingenuity and abilities with the DIY approach. My only advice is to stick with a quality air filter, there are a lot of poor quality air filters on the market.
Keep in mind that the engine is essentially a pump, to increase performance you want to maximize the flow of intake and output.
Keep in mind that the engine is essentially a pump, to increase performance you want to maximize the flow of intake and output.
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I just did this a few weeks back and I must say it does make a difference in the mid/upper Rev range. And i love the sound... I can actually tell I'm driving a supercharged car now!
One thing I'm concerned about is how hot the aluminum pipes and filter housing gets. Today on a 30 Celsius day the great was definitely having an effect on acceleration. I can't imagine all those hot aluminum intake pipes would help or already inefficient intercooler with getting cool air to the motor (edging me one step closer to water/meth injection). Has anyone thought of a way to seal or wrap the pipes and filter housing in anything?
Also I'm about to swap out the 90 degree pipes with 60 degree pipes. I think 90 sits at too much of an angle.
One thing I'm concerned about is how hot the aluminum pipes and filter housing gets. Today on a 30 Celsius day the great was definitely having an effect on acceleration. I can't imagine all those hot aluminum intake pipes would help or already inefficient intercooler with getting cool air to the motor (edging me one step closer to water/meth injection). Has anyone thought of a way to seal or wrap the pipes and filter housing in anything?
Also I'm about to swap out the 90 degree pipes with 60 degree pipes. I think 90 sits at too much of an angle.
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Hey mate was wondering where you been! Yeah Vigen's a great guy and knows his stuff. Great laugh as well, loves his German engineered cars, hate when I talk about modifying what he sees as perfect engineering lol. Was talking to him about water/meth. He had an interesting suggestion about routing the ic coolant to two small radiators sitting instead of the stock air boxes with grills in the bonnet. Reckons it's less risky than water/meth and would serve to lower iats, obviously not as effective as meth for massive boost.
I'll check out the ceramic coating as soon as I tidy up the piping. Like I said I think 90degrees is too much... Causes the ypipe to fold in on itself a little on the left (passenger in AU) side. I think 60 will fit better.
I'll check out the ceramic coating as soon as I tidy up the piping. Like I said I think 90degrees is too much... Causes the ypipe to fold in on itself a little on the left (passenger in AU) side. I think 60 will fit better.
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Hey Vigen said you were about to pull the trigger on a quaife. Can you pm me where you got it from and $$$.
Cheers
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Bought from Rob at Needswings and axle kit from Birds UK. Vigen(seriously) and BM Spares are the authorised Quaife distributors in AU. I bought it all over a year ago. :/
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Wow one year on the shelf! I reckon I'd go mad having had it that long without installing it. You still thinking of doing it?
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i have an 03 clk55, i purchased the full sl55 intake. when installed with new hose from y pipe to airboxes i saw less power across the entire rpm range. my stock intake makes more power. the airboxes are big and seem to have more area than the stock but the y-pipe is causing the restriction. i would definietly go with an aftermarket or diy y pipe.
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The C32 y-pipe is tiny. The SL55 one is a huge upgrade. It is also about the largest pipe you can fit in there.
For the CLK or C55 i agree custom is definitely the way to go. Like what suedepat had before supercharging.
For the CLK or C55 i agree custom is definitely the way to go. Like what suedepat had before supercharging.
