C32 vs. S4....guess who won?
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C32 vs. S4....guess who won?
I've always thought that a S4 is a pretty fast car (it is when you compare it to most of the 6.5+ secs car). Not until yesterday when I had an encounter with one (I assumed modified....big mufflers, lowered, wheels, chipped??) . I was cruising at around 50mph, all of a sudden an S4 was flying past me and cut into my lane with no reason (his lane was clear 1000 ft ahead). He then slowed down and see if I'll play with him. Normally, I wouldnt go with him because I think I've passed the age of starting a flame with someone who intentionally tried to cut you off. I think I should show my poise. Dont know why, my inner voice told me that I should go this time. Then I tailgated him for a couple of blocks, do some preparation for myself (turned ESP off, gradually moved to 2nd gear), then floored it while changing into the other lane. My car just took off like a rocket, I can hear that he's trying to up shift as fast as possible. To my surprise.....he cannot catch up with me. He was well 2-3 cars lengths behind me and kept that distance for a while until I slowed down. I think he was just thinking this is just an ordinary C when he was blocks away. Not until he was right beside me and saw my badges then he realized he was in trouble. I really feel sorry him driving an S4 and thinking that he can smoke a C32! Dont like people starting races with this kind of driving behavior! Afterall, I'll give him a benefit of doubt that his car is not heavily modified!!! 
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Re: C32 vs. S4....guess who won?
Originally posted by Harris
...My car just took off like a rocket, I can hear that he's trying to up shift as fast as possible. To my surprise.....he cannot catch up with me. He was well 2-3 cars lengths behind me and kept that distance for a while until I slowed down. ...
...My car just took off like a rocket, I can hear that he's trying to up shift as fast as possible. To my surprise.....he cannot catch up with me. He was well 2-3 cars lengths behind me and kept that distance for a while until I slowed down. ...
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Originally posted by chuckd94
How can it be element of surprise if the S4 started it?
How can it be element of surprise if the S4 started it?
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Re: Re: C32 vs. S4....guess who won?
Originally posted by vadim
Don't flatter yourself too much, though... If he could KEEP the same distance from you while you were accelerating, than he actually... beat you! He might have missed your take-off, that's it. If both of you were driving IDENTICAL cars and you got a jump on him, you'd be pulling away ALL THE WAY with the distance between you increasing - instead of keeping up. So, still - beware of them S4s...
Don't flatter yourself too much, though... If he could KEEP the same distance from you while you were accelerating, than he actually... beat you! He might have missed your take-off, that's it. If both of you were driving IDENTICAL cars and you got a jump on him, you'd be pulling away ALL THE WAY with the distance between you increasing - instead of keeping up. So, still - beware of them S4s...
P.S. I just want to share a story with you all, I've absolutely no intention to show off how fast is my car or look down on a S4. I know if I see him again, it might be a different story! Just based on that particular encounter, I won.
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I understand what you are saying Vadim, but when I used to street race and was in a similar situation, I would always watch for the car behind me to make his (or her, yes!) move.
Maybe I am giving the S4 driver too much credit, but if Harris was behind him and pulled into the next lane to floor it the S4 should have anticipated that and floored it while he was a car length ahead.
Of course maybe I am just biased toward Mercedes because I am now a soon-to-be owner
Maybe I am giving the S4 driver too much credit, but if Harris was behind him and pulled into the next lane to floor it the S4 should have anticipated that and floored it while he was a car length ahead.
Of course maybe I am just biased toward Mercedes because I am now a soon-to-be owner
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Re: Re: Re: C32 vs. S4....guess who won?
Originally posted by Harris
My torque clearly beat him, thats why I can pull away from him. The fact that he was 2-3 lengths behind me and couldnt gain any grounds on me made me think his car is not an ordinary S4. I know IF we were to start from stand still & IF his car were heavily modified, then there's a chance that he would go nose to nose with me (but I still think the Speedshift can shift faster than his tranny though!)
My torque clearly beat him, thats why I can pull away from him. The fact that he was 2-3 lengths behind me and couldnt gain any grounds on me made me think his car is not an ordinary S4. I know IF we were to start from stand still & IF his car were heavily modified, then there's a chance that he would go nose to nose with me (but I still think the Speedshift can shift faster than his tranny though!)
(I can explain in more detail, if you like)
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Originally posted by chuckd94
I understand what you are saying Vadim, but when I used to street race and was in a similar situation, I would always watch for the car behind me to make his (or her, yes!) move.
Maybe I am giving the S4 driver too much credit, but if Harris was behind him and pulled into the next lane to floor it the S4 should have anticipated that and floored it while he was a car length ahead.
Of course maybe I am just biased toward Mercedes because I am now a soon-to-be owner
I understand what you are saying Vadim, but when I used to street race and was in a similar situation, I would always watch for the car behind me to make his (or her, yes!) move.
Maybe I am giving the S4 driver too much credit, but if Harris was behind him and pulled into the next lane to floor it the S4 should have anticipated that and floored it while he was a car length ahead.
Of course maybe I am just biased toward Mercedes because I am now a soon-to-be owner
For which kudos go to Harris !!! What I was trying to say, was - don't make of it more that it was...
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Re: Re: Re: Re: C32 vs. S4....guess who won?
Originally posted by vadim
again... you missed my point... If a trailing car manages to keep the SAME distance from the leading one while accelerating - this means it IS faster. Two 100% IDENTICAL cars can't keep up with each other if one of them has a jump on the other. The one in front will be pulling away *distance-wise*. Initial jump was what won your race.
(I can explain in more detail, if you like)
again... you missed my point... If a trailing car manages to keep the SAME distance from the leading one while accelerating - this means it IS faster. Two 100% IDENTICAL cars can't keep up with each other if one of them has a jump on the other. The one in front will be pulling away *distance-wise*. Initial jump was what won your race.
(I can explain in more detail, if you like)
The fact that my car can reached 100mph sooner than his and while we're still accelerating but he cannot gain any grounds explains whose car is faster. Ultimately, our cars will stop accelerating when we reached 150mph, but who can get there sooner matters most!
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Originally posted by vadim
So, the S4's driver failed. And he probably suffered miserably, his ego was hurt For which kudos go to Harris !!! What I was trying to say, was - don't make of it more that it was...
So, the S4's driver failed. And he probably suffered miserably, his ego was hurt
For which kudos go to Harris !!! What I was trying to say, was - don't make of it more that it was...
I just wanted to encourage Harris to race more often. Is that so bad?
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Re: Re: Re: C32 vs. S4....guess who won?
Originally posted by Harris
My torque clearly beat him, thats why I can pull away. The fact that he was 2-3 lengths behind me and couldnt gain any grounds on me made me think his car is not an ordinary S4.
My torque clearly beat him, thats why I can pull away. The fact that he was 2-3 lengths behind me and couldnt gain any grounds on me made me think his car is not an ordinary S4.
Chipped S4 get 360+ torque easily. I have one. I know.
2 different cars. I love em both!
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: C32 vs. S4....guess who won?
Originally posted by Harris
I think you've missed my point too. Lets say I was travelling at 100mph, I looked at the rear view mirror, he was 2 car lengths behind me and stayed the same distance, which means he is travelling at 100mph also, right?
I think you've missed my point too. Lets say I was travelling at 100mph, I looked at the rear view mirror, he was 2 car lengths behind me and stayed the same distance, which means he is travelling at 100mph also, right?
If his car is faster than me, he would be gaining grounds slowly and will eventually catch up with me.
We were not going at 100mph flat, we were still accelerating at that point.
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Originally posted by chuckd94
I agree that we should not take this as any sort of "proof" that a C32 is necessarily faster or quicker than a S4.
I just wanted to encourage Harris to race more often. Is that so bad?
I agree that we should not take this as any sort of "proof" that a C32 is necessarily faster or quicker than a S4.
I just wanted to encourage Harris to race more often. Is that so bad?
I think I've almost passed those street racing stage of my life already. Yesterday was just a rare encounter! But having said that, I still want to test out my baby with 2 cars: a M3 and a 996. I know I can hardly win, but I want to know how bad will I get beaten!
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oh my god what a bunch of dorks we all are.... lets crack our physics books and figure out if he beat the S4
any way you slice it: nice work man!
a stock s4 is slower then a stock c32, and a slight modded s4 is a good race!
congrats again
any way you slice it: nice work man!
a stock s4 is slower then a stock c32, and a slight modded s4 is a good race!
congrats again
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Nice... Any more or less substantiated argument (nothing outside a high school science course) qualifies one as a dork already?
Harris - don't get me wrong. He challenged you - and you spanked him, you were in front, and he had to eat it up. You clearly won, no matter what physics say here.
Harris - don't get me wrong. He challenged you - and you spanked him, you were in front, and he had to eat it up. You clearly won, no matter what physics say here.
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Good kill Harris!
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I spent the whole night searching through the Audiworld forum. Maybe this might help to clear things up a bit?!
http://forums.audiworld.com/s4/msgs/43360.phtml
http://forums.audiworld.com/s4/msgs/43360.phtml
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C32
Engine DOHC 3.2L 6 Cylinder 349 hp Supercharged
Compression Ratio 9
Horesepower@RPM 349 hp @6100rpm
Torque Lbs. Per Ft 332@ 4400
Cylinder Configuration Vee
Valves per cylinder 3
Bore 3
Stroke 3
Engine Block Material Alloy
Block Head Material Alloy
Fuel Capacity 18 gallons
Fuel Type Unleaded Premium
Fuel Delivery Name Sequential Port Fuel Injection
Coolant Capacity Unknown
Oil Capacity Unknown
Acceleration 0 to 60 4.9 seconds
Transmission 5 Speed Electronically Controlled Automatic OD
Speeds 5
Torque Converter Yes
Curb Weight 3540lbs.s
Standard Gross Vehicle Weight NA
Maximum Gross Vehicle Weight NA
Clutch type Torque Converter
Linkage
Heavy duty No
First 3.93
Second 2.42
Third 1.49
Fourth 1.00
Fifth .83
Sixth NA
Reverse 3.15
Final Drive 3.07
Overdrive Yes
S4
Engine DOHC 2.7L 6 Cylinder 250 hp Turbo Gas
Compression Ratio 9
Horesepower@RPM 250 hp @5800rpm
Torque Lbs. Per Ft 258@ 1850
Cylinder Configuration Vee
Valves per cylinder 5
Bore 3
Stroke 3
Engine Block Material Cast Iron
Block Head Material Aluminum Alloy
Fuel Capacity 16 gallons
Fuel Type Unleaded Premium
Fuel Delivery Name Sequential Port Fuel Injection
Coolant Capacity 6 quarts
Oil Capacity 6 quarts
Acceleration 0 to 60 5.9 seconds
Transmission 6 Speed Manual OD
Speeds 6
Torque Converter No
Curb Weight 3593lbs.s
Standard Gross Vehicle Weight NA
Maximum Gross Vehicle Weight NA
Clutch type Single Dry Disc
Linkage
Heavy duty No
First 3.50
Second 1.89
Third 1.23
Fourth .97
Fifth .81
Sixth .68
Reverse 3.46
Final Drive 4.11
Overdrive Yes
NUFF SAID.....Great Kill Harris and i'm sure under any circumstance you would have come out the victor(unless he 30k worth of performance upgrades)
P.S. is that better Miket.
Engine DOHC 3.2L 6 Cylinder 349 hp Supercharged
Compression Ratio 9
Horesepower@RPM 349 hp @6100rpm
Torque Lbs. Per Ft 332@ 4400
Cylinder Configuration Vee
Valves per cylinder 3
Bore 3
Stroke 3
Engine Block Material Alloy
Block Head Material Alloy
Fuel Capacity 18 gallons
Fuel Type Unleaded Premium
Fuel Delivery Name Sequential Port Fuel Injection
Coolant Capacity Unknown
Oil Capacity Unknown
Acceleration 0 to 60 4.9 seconds
Transmission 5 Speed Electronically Controlled Automatic OD
Speeds 5
Torque Converter Yes
Curb Weight 3540lbs.s
Standard Gross Vehicle Weight NA
Maximum Gross Vehicle Weight NA
Clutch type Torque Converter
Linkage
Heavy duty No
First 3.93
Second 2.42
Third 1.49
Fourth 1.00
Fifth .83
Sixth NA
Reverse 3.15
Final Drive 3.07
Overdrive Yes
S4
Engine DOHC 2.7L 6 Cylinder 250 hp Turbo Gas
Compression Ratio 9
Horesepower@RPM 250 hp @5800rpm
Torque Lbs. Per Ft 258@ 1850
Cylinder Configuration Vee
Valves per cylinder 5
Bore 3
Stroke 3
Engine Block Material Cast Iron
Block Head Material Aluminum Alloy
Fuel Capacity 16 gallons
Fuel Type Unleaded Premium
Fuel Delivery Name Sequential Port Fuel Injection
Coolant Capacity 6 quarts
Oil Capacity 6 quarts
Acceleration 0 to 60 5.9 seconds
Transmission 6 Speed Manual OD
Speeds 6
Torque Converter No
Curb Weight 3593lbs.s
Standard Gross Vehicle Weight NA
Maximum Gross Vehicle Weight NA
Clutch type Single Dry Disc
Linkage
Heavy duty No
First 3.50
Second 1.89
Third 1.23
Fourth .97
Fifth .81
Sixth .68
Reverse 3.46
Final Drive 4.11
Overdrive Yes
NUFF SAID.....Great Kill Harris and i'm sure under any circumstance you would have come out the victor(unless he 30k worth of performance upgrades
)P.S. is that better Miket.
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