BAD NEWS!!! C32 3000$ diagnoses
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C32 AMG
BAD NEWS!!! C32 3000$ diagnoses
Long story Short 4inches of water covered the Engine Control Module & Front SAM. Both needs replaced and was quoted $3000.
Any other solutions for outsourcing parts for cheaper than dealership. They said if I am able to find parts and install with my mechanic then they will be able to program.
Any other solutions for outsourcing parts for cheaper than dealership. They said if I am able to find parts and install with my mechanic then they will be able to program.
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'02 AMG C32, Mk5 VW R32, #2469/5000
Long story Short 4inches of water covered the Engine Control Module & Front SAM. Both needs replaced and was quoted $3000.
Any other solutions for outsourcing parts for cheaper than dealership. They said if I am able to find parts and install with my mechanic then they will be able to program.
Any other solutions for outsourcing parts for cheaper than dealership. They said if I am able to find parts and install with my mechanic then they will be able to program.
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'02 AMG C32, Mk5 VW R32, #2469/5000
I was under the impression they are the same part # for any W203, but of course you'd have to get them reprogrammed. Maybe someone here can confirm?
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A used Engine Control Module must be send out to a company that can erase the information in it and leave it blank as it would be if you were to buy it new. It will not work if you just plug it in to your car. Then you must must take the car to somebody that can program it to the vehicle. One of them would be your local dealership.
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'02 AMG C32, Mk5 VW R32, #2469/5000
A used Engine Control Module must be send out to a company that can erase the information in it and leave it blank as it would be if you were to buy it new. It will not work if you just plug it in to your car. Then you must must take the car to somebody that can program it to the vehicle. One of them would be your local dealership.
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Otherwise one could just tow a nice new Mercedes, plug in another ME module, and enjoy the stolen car. This way someone has to have knowledge and equipment to program the replacement unit to the car.
This link will tell you everything you want to know:
http://benzbits.com/DAS.pdf
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'02 AMG C32, Mk5 VW R32, #2469/5000
It is intended as a theft deterrent. You have to code the new Motor Electronics (ME) module to the car using the VIN. After approximately 30-50 power cycles, it is burned into the memory. I have no idea if they use a fuse or anti-fuse or a software counter to do so. When you power up the car, the steering lock, the ignition lock, and ME all communicate with each other to verify all numbers match. If good, steering wheel unlocks, ignition lock turns, and the ME activates a relay to the starter solenoid.
Otherwise one could just tow a nice new Mercedes, plug in another ME module, and enjoy the stolen car. This way someone has to have knowledge and equipment to program the replacement unit to the car.
This link will tell you everything you want to know:
http://benzbits.com/DAS.pdf
Otherwise one could just tow a nice new Mercedes, plug in another ME module, and enjoy the stolen car. This way someone has to have knowledge and equipment to program the replacement unit to the car.
This link will tell you everything you want to know:
http://benzbits.com/DAS.pdf
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Thanks guys, I was well informed that I would have to pay fo programming separate. My Dealer charges 150$ for programming. How difficult is installing a new ECU and SAM, how long is general labor on something like this?
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I found a used ECU on eBay for 50$ W203
but I’m a little confused when it comes to the front SAM. When searching online I noticed some came with Wires/and Fuses and Some came without any.
So I don’t know which one to get, link below are the Front SAM’s
My Indie Mechanic also asked do I also need wire harness?
https://www.ebay.com/p/Mercedes-Benz-W203-Sam-Steuergerät-2035453701/1676930837
but I’m a little confused when it comes to the front SAM. When searching online I noticed some came with Wires/and Fuses and Some came without any.
So I don’t know which one to get, link below are the Front SAM’s
My Indie Mechanic also asked do I also need wire harness?
https://www.ebay.com/p/Mercedes-Benz-W203-Sam-Steuergerät-2035453701/1676930837
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I found a used ECU on eBay for 50$ W203
but I’m a little confused when it comes to the front SAM. When searching online I noticed some came with Wires/and Fuses and Some came without any.
So I don’t know which one to get, link below are the Front SAM’s
My Indie Mechanic also asked do I also need wire harness?
https://www.ebay.com/p/Mercedes-Benz...701/1676930837
but I’m a little confused when it comes to the front SAM. When searching online I noticed some came with Wires/and Fuses and Some came without any.
So I don’t know which one to get, link below are the Front SAM’s
My Indie Mechanic also asked do I also need wire harness?
https://www.ebay.com/p/Mercedes-Benz...701/1676930837
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Replacing the ECU is a matter of minutes. Replacing the SAM can be done in an hour if you know what you're doing.
Start with these folks. There are others out there.
http://www.mercedesecm.com/
Let us know how it goes.
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VIN: WDBRF65J32F220287
Spoke with Dealer today, I asked if I could send my old ECM/ECU for repair/rebuild and he stated I’m going to need a new ECU because the old one has water damage. I then asked if I purchased a used ECM from eBay would the data be able to be transferred over and he said possibly but he won’t know until they get the new/used ECM.
Spoke with Dealer today, I asked if I could send my old ECM/ECU for repair/rebuild and he stated I’m going to need a new ECU because the old one has water damage. I then asked if I purchased a used ECM from eBay would the data be able to be transferred over and he said possibly but he won’t know until they get the new/used ECM.
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For some reason I cannot upload jpgs.
SAM part number:
A 203 545 06 01 with note replaced by A 203 545 16 01. These are for code 494/581 (USA/Automatic Climate Control) which are listed on your car's data card.
SAM part number:
A 203 545 06 01 with note replaced by A 203 545 16 01. These are for code 494/581 (USA/Automatic Climate Control) which are listed on your car's data card.
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Long story Short 4inches of water covered the Engine Control Module & Front SAM. Both needs replaced and was qawed $3000.
Any other solutions for outsourcing parts for cheaper than dealership. They said if I am able to find parts and install with my mechanic then they will be able to program.
Any other solutions for outsourcing parts for cheaper than dealership. They said if I am able to find parts and install with my mechanic then they will be able to program.
if your in chicago i can have you see the car and you can take it for literally a steal.....
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I don't think the dealer will be able to make a used ME work in your car. You can certainly try to see if the aftermarket tuner guys can flash one or even disable some of the DAS (Drive Authorization System) lockouts.
You MUST get an ME from a C32. The engine controls are completely different on a supercharged car. It uses speed/density instead of mass air flow to operate. It also has logic circuits to trigger the supercharger clutch and intercooler pump. A C320had no use for those things.
You MUST get an ME from a C32. The engine controls are completely different on a supercharged car. It uses speed/density instead of mass air flow to operate. It also has logic circuits to trigger the supercharger clutch and intercooler pump. A C320had no use for those things.
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I don't think the dealer will be able to make a used ME work in your car. You can certainly try to see if the aftermarket tuner guys can flash one or even disable some of the DAS (Drive Authorization System) lockouts.
You MUST get an ME from a C32. The engine controls are completely different on a supercharged car. It uses speed/density instead of mass air flow to operate. It also has logic circuits to trigger the supercharger clutch and intercooler pump. A C320had no use for those things.
You MUST get an ME from a C32. The engine controls are completely different on a supercharged car. It uses speed/density instead of mass air flow to operate. It also has logic circuits to trigger the supercharger clutch and intercooler pump. A C320had no use for those things.
what is a ME? I need a ECM, not ME....
Im clueless as to what “DAS lockout” is...
Any part number I can search for that will give me the correct ECM for my vehicle
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I don't think the dealer will be able to make a used ME work in your car. You can certainly try to see if the aftermarket tuner guys can flash one or even disable some of the DAS (Drive Authorization System) lockouts.
You MUST get an ME from a C32. The engine controls are completely different on a supercharged car. It uses speed/density instead of mass air flow to operate. It also has logic circuits to trigger the supercharger clutch and intercooler pump. A C320had no use for those things.
You MUST get an ME from a C32. The engine controls are completely different on a supercharged car. It uses speed/density instead of mass air flow to operate. It also has logic circuits to trigger the supercharger clutch and intercooler pump. A C320had no use for those things.
Here is the site of the place I will be ordering from once I get correct ID number.
https://automotix.net/usedautoparts/...UaAhaLEALw_wcB
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After letting car sit in the heat a few days, it has cranked right up with no provlemsbf for 2 days straight.......bad news is I’m getting “coolant visit workshop” message on dashboard and I noticed my radiator fan is no longer turning on.
Could this be the Front SAM and water caused carosion, somehow resulting in some bad connections or something To radiator fan...”just my guess”
or could it be the ECU?
What way would you guys go first, when going about resolving something like this?
Could this be the Front SAM and water caused carosion, somehow resulting in some bad connections or something To radiator fan...”just my guess”
or could it be the ECU?
What way would you guys go first, when going about resolving something like this?
