IC upgrade for C32
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IC upgrade for C32
Anyone look into aftermarket IC upgrade for the c32?
I know evosport has worked on it, but their stage III release has been "delayed" for at least 6 months. I'm a bit skeptical about their timelines as I have been calling for months and they keep saying next month.
I know evosport has worked on it, but their stage III release has been "delayed" for at least 6 months. I'm a bit skeptical about their timelines as I have been calling for months and they keep saying next month.
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Ronnie: The delay has to do with research and development. Our first prototype works very well, however it is too expensive to produce. I am testing new design within several weeks that promises similar performance at lower cost.
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Vadim - Thanks for clearing things up. Every time I call one of your sale rep says "we have other projects that take priority"
However, I'm curious if there are any aftermarket IC systems for our car? I remember someone posted a link with some pics of one particular system made in germany/europe.
However, I'm curious if there are any aftermarket IC systems for our car? I remember someone posted a link with some pics of one particular system made in germany/europe.
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Originally Posted by vadim@evosport
Have you done Stage II yet?
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Originally Posted by vadim@evosport
Ronnie: The delay has to do with research and development. Our first prototype works very well, however it is too expensive to produce. I am testing new design within several weeks that promises similar performance at lower cost.
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I was thinking about skipping the headers and just getting plugs & wires with stage III. Are you offering any specials?
I am quite certain some people will pay the price no matter what it is. So why the hang-ups about cost.
Just to give you an idea the difference in cost between first IC design and second is over 100%.
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He Vadim,
I know you guys have been working on an IC upgrade for a long time now. My question is what you want to achieve with it ?
Reason I am asking is that even if you install all the mods that are available now for the C32 it does not overheat. So without installing additinional parts to increase HP there would not really be a need for more cooling, is there ?
What am I missing here ?
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I know you guys have been working on an IC upgrade for a long time now. My question is what you want to achieve with it ?
Reason I am asking is that even if you install all the mods that are available now for the C32 it does not overheat. So without installing additinional parts to increase HP there would not really be a need for more cooling, is there ?
What am I missing here ?
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Originally Posted by Vadim @ FEDOR DEZYN
Wow! I wish that was the concensus among all of the customers.
Just to give you an idea the difference in cost between first IC design and second is over 100%.
Just to give you an idea the difference in cost between first IC design and second is over 100%.
As for reaching a wide market .... that will never happen so I fail to see why "all those customers" would be anything more than typical tire-kickers looking for ideas but not spending real money.
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Just got the Supersprinit headers installed today and it's great! Definitely feel more torque as my rear tires are grasping for grip.
I am going to try out a water injection kit made for the 300Z. I'll post pics when finished.
I am going to try out a water injection kit made for the 300Z. I'll post pics when finished.
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Water injection will not produce any more power without making the fuel mixer more rich. Since we have no way to make the fuel mixure more rich at this point , I see no benefit. The water injection dilutes the fuel charge and therefore can actually lower your HP level.
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Zeppelin - By no means do I claim to be an expert in this, but this is my thinking.
Since water has a higher specific heat than air, spraying water will cool down the IAT (but also increase humidity). I plan to use 1:1 Ethanol:Water. Ethanol has 34.7% oxygen content by weight and has good anti-knocking ability. This way I can increase the oxygen content in the air and cool down the intake temperatures given the same amount of fuel.
Since water has a higher specific heat than air, spraying water will cool down the IAT (but also increase humidity). I plan to use 1:1 Ethanol:Water. Ethanol has 34.7% oxygen content by weight and has good anti-knocking ability. This way I can increase the oxygen content in the air and cool down the intake temperatures given the same amount of fuel.
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Zeppelin - By no means do I claim to be an expert in this, but this is my thinking.
Since water has a higher specific heat than air, spraying water will cool down the IAT (but also increase humidity). I plan to use 1:1 Ethanol:Water. Ethanol has 34.7% oxygen content by weight and has good anti-knocking ability. This way I can increase the oxygen content in the air and cool down the intake temperatures given the same amount of fuel.
Since water has a higher specific heat than air, spraying water will cool down the IAT (but also increase humidity). I plan to use 1:1 Ethanol:Water. Ethanol has 34.7% oxygen content by weight and has good anti-knocking ability. This way I can increase the oxygen content in the air and cool down the intake temperatures given the same amount of fuel.
Most of the work inside a piston is done by the thermal expansion of the gas as it goes from room temp to over a thousand degrees. Now if you inject water OR ethanol that coefficient of expansion is decreased because less heat is released by ignition. Furthermore the water and ethanol effectively displaces a MORE DENSE oxygen molecule (100% oxygen vs 35%) and causes lean combustion at higher compression. Rather pointless exercise.
The only application for ROH-HOH mix is to inject it into high compression supercharger air volumes into a high compression engine.
If you take a M111 engine without supercharger and just bolt in a M45 Eaton then the engine goes into super-high compression which isnt good. A spurt of water into the air will prevent pre-detonation. Obviously this is cooling the fuel / air mix and that is enough to convince me it produces less horse power.
Unless you have control over the fuel / RPM curve then its all too hard.
Water is cheap and Mercedes doesnt do it .....
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I dont know why people think more oxygen is more combustion ..... it clearly isnt when the cylinder goes lean.
Most of the work inside a piston is done by the thermal expansion of the gas as it goes from room temp to over a thousand degrees. Now if you inject water OR ethanol that coefficient of expansion is decreased because less heat is released by ignition. Furthermore the water and ethanol effectively displaces a MORE DENSE oxygen molecule (100% oxygen vs 35%) and causes lean combustion at higher compression. Rather pointless exercise.
Most of the work inside a piston is done by the thermal expansion of the gas as it goes from room temp to over a thousand degrees. Now if you inject water OR ethanol that coefficient of expansion is decreased because less heat is released by ignition. Furthermore the water and ethanol effectively displaces a MORE DENSE oxygen molecule (100% oxygen vs 35%) and causes lean combustion at higher compression. Rather pointless exercise.
Thanks for you input.
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Originally Posted by ronnie0738
Like I said in my post, I dont claim to be an expert. I was merely stating my thinking and asking for people's opinions.
Thanks for you input.
Thanks for you input.
