Which would be faster w202 C55 or w203 C55
12-08-2004, 03:56 PM
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Which would be faster w202 C55 or w203 C55
W202 98' AMG C43-C 55 conversion(2000 E55 engine)
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W203 05' AMG C55
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98'C43-C55 conversion has same exact tranny gear ratios as a 2005 C55.
98'C43 diff=3.07
05'C55 diff=3.06
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C43 weight=3550lbs
C55 weight=3540lbs.
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C43-C55 engine specs=5.5L 349hp@5500rpm
391lb-ft@3150-4500rpm
redline=6500 rpm's note:
(This motor moved the 3768lb E55 0-60 in5.4 sec')
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05'C55 engine specs= 5.4L 362hp@5750rpm
376lb-ft@4000rpm
redline=6700 rpm's 0-60 in 4.9 secs
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Based on the given info would the two cars be close? or will the new car still be faster. The C43-C55 conversion is a project I'm working on now!
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W203 05' AMG C55
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98'C43-C55 conversion has same exact tranny gear ratios as a 2005 C55.
98'C43 diff=3.07
05'C55 diff=3.06
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C43 weight=3550lbs
C55 weight=3540lbs.
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C43-C55 engine specs=5.5L 349hp@5500rpm
391lb-ft@3150-4500rpm
redline=6500 rpm's note:
(This motor moved the 3768lb E55 0-60 in5.4 sec')
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05'C55 engine specs= 5.4L 362hp@5750rpm
376lb-ft@4000rpm
redline=6700 rpm's 0-60 in 4.9 secs
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Based on the given info would the two cars be close? or will the new car still be faster. The C43-C55 conversion is a project I'm working on now!
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12-08-2004, 04:42 PM
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interesting Q
as the c32 was deemed to be the fastest c class "ever" by MB when it was introduced in 2k2...
Should be close nonetheless.
Good Luck in your conversion.
Cheers,
lap
Should be close nonetheless.
Good Luck in your conversion.
Cheers,
lap
12-08-2004, 05:12 PM
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The new one would win, the fact that it has a higher final drive coupled to the fact that it is more responsive engine due to lightweight aluminium pistons and has a high redline which enables close gear-to-peak power point at every upchange, maximising acceleration.
12-08-2004, 07:21 PM
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What I'd like to know is... Which is quicker, current W203 C55 or W210 E55? The W210 had 394 lb/ft of torque and wasn't a pig like the current E55.... I've heard two members (with C32s) say that they've raced W210 E55s and lost by 1-2 car lengths when they raced E55s from a standstill...
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12-08-2004, 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by rguy
Plus there is no way that the C 202 would make the same numbers as the E 210. Exhaust length, and a plethora of other factors would rob the C of some good torque.
Originally Posted by Bilal
The new one would win, the fact that it has a higher final drive coupled to the fact that it is more responsive engine due to lightweight aluminium pistons and has a high redline which enables close gear-to-peak power point at every upchange, maximising acceleration.
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12-08-2004, 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by EKaru
What I'd like to know is... Which is quicker, current W203 C55 or W210 E55? The W210 had 394 lb/ft of torque and wasn't a pig like the current E55.... I've heard two members (with C32s) say that they've raced W210 E55s and lost by 1-2 car lengths when they raced E55s from a standstill...
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12-08-2004, 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted by coolcarlskiC43
You feel the current E55 is a pig? 12.4 sec 1/4 mile vs old 13.2 sec 1/4 mile
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12-09-2004, 12:14 AM
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Almost all new european cars are pigs because they have to meet the new EU standard for crash safety. More steel and more support equals more weight. Fiberglass bodies with balsa wood flooring don't fly in the EU.
I don't really need to debate weather the C55 would make less power than the E55 it is a simple fact that has been discussed at length in multiple car magazines and on multiple car forums.
The main difference between the two is the exhaust path. This accounts for most of the problem. Take the dodge viper for example, when they changed from side pipes to rear pipes they gained nearly 30 hp. (Not positive about the exact hp bump, but it was multiple tens of hp..I'd say 25-35hp)
Now, I am sorry if you had trouble with my post. While I was just trying to be informative and add to the discussion, you are calling me out. I think that is rude. Anyway, let's try to calm down because this board has way too much hostility and it is very easy to get caught up in it. Okay? We are all passionate about these vehicles, so I understand your passion. Maybe this fact about the hp and torque drop disappoints you. Maybe you thought I was calling you a moron. I wasn't. I hope you can understand that bit. Good luck on these forums. Thank you.
I don't really need to debate weather the C55 would make less power than the E55 it is a simple fact that has been discussed at length in multiple car magazines and on multiple car forums.
The main difference between the two is the exhaust path. This accounts for most of the problem. Take the dodge viper for example, when they changed from side pipes to rear pipes they gained nearly 30 hp. (Not positive about the exact hp bump, but it was multiple tens of hp..I'd say 25-35hp)
Now, I am sorry if you had trouble with my post. While I was just trying to be informative and add to the discussion, you are calling me out. I think that is rude. Anyway, let's try to calm down because this board has way too much hostility and it is very easy to get caught up in it. Okay? We are all passionate about these vehicles, so I understand your passion. Maybe this fact about the hp and torque drop disappoints you. Maybe you thought I was calling you a moron. I wasn't. I hope you can understand that bit. Good luck on these forums. Thank you.
12-09-2004, 12:26 AM
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I see that you have a C43 1998 and that you are thinking about the conversion. I think you would find a lot of success with the conversion and be very happy with it. But, you will not take out a w203 c55 with it. There is enough driver variation and vehicle variation, for that matter, to be close some of the time. I would put the w203 C55 a few car lengths ahead in the hands of a competent driver.
From one former C43 owner, w210 e55 driver, and w203 C55 owner to a c43 owner, trust me when I say that the w203 takes the cake from those cars in every respect except two major ones. (1) The c43 and w210 e55 were hand built by AMG, not on a mercedes assembly line. (2) The c43 is a much more masculine car than the w203 which is much more unisex.
Personally, I think the w202 c43 is a piece of history and I would leave well enough well alone. But, if you want to follow through and squeeze out probably not too much of an improvement for probably a significant amount of dough, then that is definitely your prerogative. Again good luck.
I see that you have a C43 1998 and that you are thinking about the conversion. I think you would find a lot of success with the conversion and be very happy with it. But, you will not take out a w203 c55 with it. There is enough driver variation and vehicle variation, for that matter, to be close some of the time. I would put the w203 C55 a few car lengths ahead in the hands of a competent driver.
From one former C43 owner, w210 e55 driver, and w203 C55 owner to a c43 owner, trust me when I say that the w203 takes the cake from those cars in every respect except two major ones. (1) The c43 and w210 e55 were hand built by AMG, not on a mercedes assembly line. (2) The c43 is a much more masculine car than the w203 which is much more unisex.
Personally, I think the w202 c43 is a piece of history and I would leave well enough well alone. But, if you want to follow through and squeeze out probably not too much of an improvement for probably a significant amount of dough, then that is definitely your prerogative. Again good luck.
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12-09-2004, 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by rguy
Almost all new european cars are pigs because they have to meet the new EU standard for crash safety. More steel and more support equals more weight. Fiberglass bodies with balsa wood flooring don't fly in the EU.
I don't really need to debate weather the C55 would make less power than the E55 it is a simple fact that has been discussed at length in multiple car magazines and on multiple car forums.
The main difference between the two is the exhaust path. This accounts for most of the problem. Take the dodge viper for example, when they changed from side pipes to rear pipes they gained nearly 30 hp. (Not positive about the exact hp bump, but it was multiple tens of hp..I'd say 25-35hp)
Now, I am sorry if you had trouble with my post. While I was just trying to be informative and add to the discussion, you are calling me out. I think that is rude. Anyway, let's try to calm down because this board has way too much hostility and it is very easy to get caught up in it. Okay? We are all passionate about these vehicles, so I understand your passion. Maybe this fact about the hp and torque drop disappoints you. Maybe you thought I was calling you a moron. I wasn't. I hope you can understand that bit. Good luck on these forums. Thank you.
I don't really need to debate weather the C55 would make less power than the E55 it is a simple fact that has been discussed at length in multiple car magazines and on multiple car forums.
The main difference between the two is the exhaust path. This accounts for most of the problem. Take the dodge viper for example, when they changed from side pipes to rear pipes they gained nearly 30 hp. (Not positive about the exact hp bump, but it was multiple tens of hp..I'd say 25-35hp)
Now, I am sorry if you had trouble with my post. While I was just trying to be informative and add to the discussion, you are calling me out. I think that is rude. Anyway, let's try to calm down because this board has way too much hostility and it is very easy to get caught up in it. Okay? We are all passionate about these vehicles, so I understand your passion. Maybe this fact about the hp and torque drop disappoints you. Maybe you thought I was calling you a moron. I wasn't. I hope you can understand that bit. Good luck on these forums. Thank you.
You stated that you have a plethora of reasons why the W202 C55 would not run like a W210 E55 and I merely asked you to state them.Nobody is being hostile.Relax!Jeez!
The way the exhaust runs on both cars is sorta similar,not to mention that I have a custom made exhaust from the pre-cats back.There is actually only a 1ft difference between the W210 E class body and the W202 C class body.So if the exhaust length were a factor then the E430,which has a longer exhaust would have as much torque if not more than the C43, which we both know it does'nt.The exhaust route is a little similar on the E430 and C43 as well.So if the exhaust theory you have were true in this case then the W203 C55 would not be faster than the W210 E55,which we know it is!
To make a long story short I'm just looking for opinions and facts for discussion on the two vehicles.Exhaust difference between the old E and C is not gonna make as much of a difference as weight would.
W202 C55 vs W203 C55.
Nothing is wrong with you giving your opinion and there is nothing wrong with me dissagreeing with it based on your facts,which you only gave one.
W203 C55 0-60 4.9 Shorter car ,shorter exhaust,lighter car.
W210 E55 0-60 5.4 Longer car,heavier car,longer exhaust.
I apologize for any misunderstanding about my response !
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12-09-2004, 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by coolcarlskiC43
W203 C55 0-60 4.9 Shorter car ,shorter exhaust,lighter car.
W210 E55 0-60 5.4 Longer car,heavier car,longer exhaust.
I apologize for any misunderstanding about my response !
W210 E55 0-60 5.4 Longer car,heavier car,longer exhaust.
I apologize for any misunderstanding about my response !
Sell your C43 and get a W208 CLK55
j/k
As to the thread topic, the new C55 has the edge due to more advanced electronic engine and transmission management. The W203 shifts faster and has a more advanced traction control system.
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12-09-2004, 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Chappy
Sell your C43 and get a W208 CLK55
j/k
As to the thread topic, the new C55 has the edge due to more advanced electronic engine and transmission management. The W203 shifts faster and has a more advanced traction control system.
j/k
As to the thread topic, the new C55 has the edge due to more advanced electronic engine and transmission management. The W203 shifts faster and has a more advanced traction control system.
12-09-2004, 04:22 PM
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I think that a W202, C43 with the newer 5.5L engine would be as fast as the New W203, C55. With maybe a slight benefit of driving twisty roads going to the W202, C55 as the transmmision will hold a gear, while the W203 will shift up at redline, or that is my understanding. If my C43 is in 3rd gear it can shift down but not up to 4th. It just bangs off the rev limiter.
Also on my W202 I found it quit easy to remove approx. 250 lbs from the car, so that it now weighs 3248 lb with one half tank of gas and no driver. And the loss of weight is easily felt.
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Also on my W202 I found it quit easy to remove approx. 250 lbs from the car, so that it now weighs 3248 lb with one half tank of gas and no driver. And the loss of weight is easily felt.
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01-26-2005, 08:57 PM
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The W202 C43 to C55 Conversion is complete.
The roads in NYC are pretty wet from the snowstorm,however in small bursts I can feel that the car is a complete torque Monster with her new 5.5L heart transplant.Just unbelieveable!On one stretch of dry road after adaptation ,the car just SCREAMS TORQUE all thru the RPM range.The 4.3L motor can't compare.It(4.3L) was torquie but not like this!I will be dynoing the car next wknd.I'll keep all posted.
The amazing thing is that the two motors are exactly identical externally.You'll never be able to tell unless you drive it.Even the Fuel injectors (Green)and injector and sensor harness are the same.I'm looking forward to comparing it to it's bigger cousins, Clk55,C55 and W210 E55.Not to mention the E39M5 and E46M3.
The roads in NYC are pretty wet from the snowstorm,however in small bursts I can feel that the car is a complete torque Monster with her new 5.5L heart transplant.Just unbelieveable!On one stretch of dry road after adaptation ,the car just SCREAMS TORQUE all thru the RPM range.The 4.3L motor can't compare.It(4.3L) was torquie but not like this!I will be dynoing the car next wknd.I'll keep all posted.
The amazing thing is that the two motors are exactly identical externally.You'll never be able to tell unless you drive it.Even the Fuel injectors (Green)and injector and sensor harness are the same.I'm looking forward to comparing it to it's bigger cousins, Clk55,C55 and W210 E55.Not to mention the E39M5 and E46M3.
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01-27-2005, 08:14 PM
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C55....202....It can be fast!!!
Well, here is what I think is the fastest 202 in the world.
I hand built it.....
The proof is in the puddin as they say in the south!
(Sorry about the logo on the car, I can't erase that...) MB Autowerks is now out of business because of a lack of business, but I am still around tuning Mercedes!!!! SoOOOO.....If you ever see a sleeper blow by you in ATL GA, It was probably built by the BENZmac!!
I hand built it.....
The proof is in the puddin as they say in the south!
(Sorry about the logo on the car, I can't erase that...) MB Autowerks is now out of business because of a lack of business, but I am still around tuning Mercedes!!!! SoOOOO.....If you ever see a sleeper blow by you in ATL GA, It was probably built by the BENZmac!!
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01-27-2005, 08:23 PM
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why not keep the c43 but bore it out to 6.0l new sport cams, new headers, polish, chip, complete exhaust, and forged pistons, kompressor, and then you beat new sl65 amg (:
01-27-2005, 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by benzmac
Well, here is what I think is the fastest 202 in the world.
I hand built it.....
The proof is in the puddin as they say in the south!
(Sorry about the logo on the car, I can't erase that...) MB Autowerks is now out of business because of a lack of business, but I am still around tuning Mercedes!!!! SoOOOO.....If you ever see a sleeper blow by you in ATL GA, It was probably built by the BENZmac!!
I hand built it.....
The proof is in the puddin as they say in the south!
(Sorry about the logo on the car, I can't erase that...) MB Autowerks is now out of business because of a lack of business, but I am still around tuning Mercedes!!!! SoOOOO.....If you ever see a sleeper blow by you in ATL GA, It was probably built by the BENZmac!!
01-30-2005, 12:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Chappy
Congrats! How about some pics of that beast?
The Blk C43 is N/A and Freakishly Fast!! Stck no chip or engine mods.Felt a lil faster than my C43 when I had the 4.3L but I was never one to drive my car as crazy as he does.He always raced his so his car was adapted to it. The cars both shifted differently with his shifting more aggressive than mine.That's because I always babied and grannied my beast.He's a wild man and I never knew how well a C43 could perform until I saw him drive his.Very impressive these cars.It was truly contagious.Just a freak Car.All stoplight runs were run with tranny in 4th and traction control off.This I never did b4 until he showed me that this is how he drives his car when he's in race mode.He even did a slight donut and took off with the ESPoff! He said it(ESP) would slightly blink but his Toyo's also didnt have as much grip as my Perrelli's so I think this kind of fascilitated his nice slides.
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[/IMG] 1/4 mile he gets owned!Not on initial throttle(both struggling to get traction) but after the cars pull off then I'll start to pull off by one car and it's over by a couple of cars.On a roll(50mph)surprisingly he's there with me for a few secs then the Silver beast starts creeping away as speeds increase but the cars are so fast that we run out of road.. We were testing them just b4 rush hour so it was very hard to go all outs o we did not want to be complete fools playing JacKass! However we plan on racing them at E-town N.J. this spring!We'll sneak a hwy run on the interstate one day .
He loves the torque in my car.It's Crazy! My conclusion is that the 5.5L mod is a keeper but surprisingly the C43 4.3L wont just let you beat her that easy!She'll fight!
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01-30-2005, 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by coolcarlskiC43
Here's one for now! My C55 silver Friend's C43 black
I wish I knew an easier way to post the install pics!
The Blk C43 is N/A and Freakishly Fast!! Stck no chip or engine mods.Felt a lil faster than my C43 when I had the 4.3L but I was never one to drive my car as crazy as he does.He always raced his so his car was adapted to it. The cars both shifted differently with his shifting more aggressive than mine.That's because I always babied and grannied my beast.He's a wild man and I never knew how well a C43 could perform until I saw him drive his.Very impressive these cars.It was truly contagious.Just a freak Car.All stoplight runs were run with tranny in 4th and traction control off.This I never did b4 until he showed me that this is how he drives his car when he's in race mode.He even did a slight donut and took off with the ESPoff! He said it(ESP) would slightly blink but his Toyo's also didnt have as much grip as my Perrelli's so I think this kind of fascilitated his nice slides.
Copy and paste link below to view cars:
C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator.COOLCARLSKI\My Documents\My Pictures\2005_0127Image\2005_0127Image0026.JPG
1/4 mile he gets owned!Not on initial throttle(both struggling to get traction) but after the cars pull off then I'll start to pull off by one car and it's over by a couple of cars.On a roll(50mph)surprisingly he's there with me for a few secs then the Silver beast starts creeping away as speeds increase but the cars are so fast that we run out of road.. We were testing them just b4 rush hour so it was very hard to go all outs o we did not want to be complete fools playing JacKass! However we plan on racing them at E-town N.J. this spring!We'll sneak a hwy run on the interstate one day . He loves the torque in my car.It's Crazy! My conclusion is that the 5.5L mod is a keeper but surprisingly the C43 4.3L wont just let you beat her that easy!She'll fight!
I wish I knew an easier way to post the install pics!
The Blk C43 is N/A and Freakishly Fast!! Stck no chip or engine mods.Felt a lil faster than my C43 when I had the 4.3L but I was never one to drive my car as crazy as he does.He always raced his so his car was adapted to it. The cars both shifted differently with his shifting more aggressive than mine.That's because I always babied and grannied my beast.He's a wild man and I never knew how well a C43 could perform until I saw him drive his.Very impressive these cars.It was truly contagious.Just a freak Car.All stoplight runs were run with tranny in 4th and traction control off.This I never did b4 until he showed me that this is how he drives his car when he's in race mode.He even did a slight donut and took off with the ESPoff! He said it(ESP) would slightly blink but his Toyo's also didnt have as much grip as my Perrelli's so I think this kind of fascilitated his nice slides.
Copy and paste link below to view cars:
C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator.COOLCARLSKI\My Documents\My Pictures\2005_0127Image\2005_0127Image0026.JPG
1/4 mile he gets owned!Not on initial throttle(both struggling to get traction) but after the cars pull off then I'll start to pull off by one car and it's over by a couple of cars.On a roll(50mph)surprisingly he's there with me for a few secs then the Silver beast starts creeping away as speeds increase but the cars are so fast that we run out of road.. We were testing them just b4 rush hour so it was very hard to go all outs o we did not want to be complete fools playing JacKass! However we plan on racing them at E-town N.J. this spring!We'll sneak a hwy run on the interstate one day .
He loves the torque in my car.It's Crazy! My conclusion is that the 5.5L mod is a keeper but surprisingly the C43 4.3L wont just let you beat her that easy!She'll fight! 500 Unknown Host
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03-25-2005, 10:48 PM
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Update!!
I've now placed a E55 computer in the car and what a difference.The only problem we had was that the traction control/ESP light would stay on.I went back to MB and purchased the E55 traction control module,pulled out the C43 traction control module and the lights are now out.Next move will be a new dyno to compare the car and chk the A/F compared to the last dyno where the car ran lean as hell.After that if the A/F is nice then to the track we go to get some 1/4 mile times.I'll keep everyone posted.
will be searching for one when I get out of college and find a job.
