Saw a C32 today with 18" Babraus rims 235/265 tires
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Saw a C32 today with 18" Babraus rims 235/265 tires
Would like to know if C55 can do the same with no mod or would the size be too big that can rub the sides?
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Originally Posted by cntlaw
Would like to know if C55 can do the same with no mod or would the size be too big that can rub the sides?
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Originally Posted by sire
i have the mb camber kit on with the 18"s are you sure they wont rub at 235/265?
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You shouldn't have a problem....on my C230k ss i had 19 brabus mono V's with 235/35 front and 265/30 rear with out mods.
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The fenders on all AMG cars are pre-rolled. It really depends on what tire you use. Some tire with a more rounded sidewall will be okay, tires with a more squared sidewall will cause problems.
You should be fine with 19" Monoblock VI and 235/265 combo. I had them on my car a couple of years ago and there's no rubbing.
You should be fine with 19" Monoblock VI and 235/265 combo. I had them on my car a couple of years ago and there's no rubbing.
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Originally Posted by smgC32
I'm sorry Harris. What do you mean by this? "The fenders on all AMG cars are pre-rolled."
Update: Not sure about other C-class but my C55 rear fenders appear to be rolled.
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All fenders have a 90 degree or U channel bend to them to provide additonal strength to the fender's edge. Simple engineering. The rear of a C32 has an upward bend of about 30 degrees in a U channel design. The front has a simple 90 degree bend without the U channel, which is inherently weaker. The C32 has the same shape front fender as the other W203 sedans. Fender rolling is not done by MB on AMG stock cars. There is no need given the stock wheel/tire fitment. The standard fender can accomodate the wheel/tire size.
Fender rolling is required when you want to fit a much larger wheel/tire combo. The fender lip is pounded or rolled tight against itself reducing the U channel gap or bending the 90 degree edge up. In the process, the rolled area may also be pulled out towards the outside providing more interior space within the wheel well, effectively altering the shape of the fender itself.
There is a difference between factory rolling (which doesn't exist) or rolling that is done by a special division of a manufacturer, like AMG in Germany, who will customize a car to an owners desires. If a customer wants huge wheels/tires on their AMG car, as delivered or modified by AMG at their Germany location, AMG may "roll" their fenders to accomodate the request. The same with Brabus and any other aftermarket tuner wanting to provide much larger rolling stock.
Here is some proof that rolling does not exist on AMG cars delivered stock here in the States, and the poor design and quality of a MB front fender:
Fender rolling is required when you want to fit a much larger wheel/tire combo. The fender lip is pounded or rolled tight against itself reducing the U channel gap or bending the 90 degree edge up. In the process, the rolled area may also be pulled out towards the outside providing more interior space within the wheel well, effectively altering the shape of the fender itself.
There is a difference between factory rolling (which doesn't exist) or rolling that is done by a special division of a manufacturer, like AMG in Germany, who will customize a car to an owners desires. If a customer wants huge wheels/tires on their AMG car, as delivered or modified by AMG at their Germany location, AMG may "roll" their fenders to accomodate the request. The same with Brabus and any other aftermarket tuner wanting to provide much larger rolling stock.
Here is some proof that rolling does not exist on AMG cars delivered stock here in the States, and the poor design and quality of a MB front fender:
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It's not clear who smgC32 or Harris are replying to. It doesn't much matter. I'll let you guys argue the fender rolling and whether MB/AMG do it at the factory or not and what other C-class fenders are like. I simply related what I observed on my C55 to what I know about the previous BMW 5-series (E39) platform.
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Originally Posted by smgC32
Here is some proof that rolling does not exist on AMG cars delivered stock here in the States, and the poor design and quality of a MB front fender:
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The tolerances of the W203 are not as good as other european or Japanese marques. The passenger side of my car is .125" off compared to the driver's side from the hub mounting surface to the outer fender. Only happened to the passenger side. 8.5" front wheel, ET32, 235/40, 1.75" drop. 13.25" is just too low during 100% compression on my car.
With a broom stick, hold the stick vertical against the lower tire with your foot and the upper fender lip with your hand at the center of the wheel. Measure both sides of the vehicle and report if you'd like for comparison. With 8.5" wheels and an offset of 30 or 32, you may find that the tire's sidewall sticks out beyond the fender. This damage won't happen with the stock 15" ride height. Note how wimpy the angle material is. You can pull on the fender and move it considerably due to thin metal as well. As for the stock paint quality, although sprayed very well, consistant and little orange peel, just show your paint a rock and it will chip much easier than earlier MB or other manufacturer's paint. Same for the density of the windshield.
With a broom stick, hold the stick vertical against the lower tire with your foot and the upper fender lip with your hand at the center of the wheel. Measure both sides of the vehicle and report if you'd like for comparison. With 8.5" wheels and an offset of 30 or 32, you may find that the tire's sidewall sticks out beyond the fender. This damage won't happen with the stock 15" ride height. Note how wimpy the angle material is. You can pull on the fender and move it considerably due to thin metal as well. As for the stock paint quality, although sprayed very well, consistant and little orange peel, just show your paint a rock and it will chip much easier than earlier MB or other manufacturer's paint. Same for the density of the windshield.
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Originally Posted by BlackC230Coupe
I too would like to know, i have had rubbing issues with my C55. And i know other people with AMG cars that needed their fenders rolled.
aren't you able to adjust either the ride height or spring rate to prevent the rubbing problem being that you have c/o's??
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Originally Posted by smgC32
The tolerances of the W203 are not as good as other european or Japanese marques. The passenger side of my car is .125" off compared to the driver's side from the hub mounting surface to the outer fender. Only happened to the passenger side. 8.5" front wheel, ET32, 235/40, 1.75" drop. 13.25" is just too low during 100% compression on my car.
With a broom stick, hold the stick vertical against the lower tire with your foot and the upper fender lip with your hand at the center of the wheel. Measure both sides of the vehicle and report if you'd like for comparison. With 8.5" wheels and an offset of 30 or 32, you may find that the tire's sidewall sticks out beyond the fender. This damage won't happen with the stock 15" ride height. Note how wimpy the angle material is. You can pull on the fender and move it considerably due to thin metal as well. As for the stock paint quality, although sprayed very well, consistant and little orange peel, just show your paint a rock and it will chip much easier than earlier MB or other manufacturer's paint. Same for the density of the windshield.
With a broom stick, hold the stick vertical against the lower tire with your foot and the upper fender lip with your hand at the center of the wheel. Measure both sides of the vehicle and report if you'd like for comparison. With 8.5" wheels and an offset of 30 or 32, you may find that the tire's sidewall sticks out beyond the fender. This damage won't happen with the stock 15" ride height. Note how wimpy the angle material is. You can pull on the fender and move it considerably due to thin metal as well. As for the stock paint quality, although sprayed very well, consistant and little orange peel, just show your paint a rock and it will chip much easier than earlier MB or other manufacturer's paint. Same for the density of the windshield.
I am gonna try to measure for the fun of it tonight or tomorrow.
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Originally Posted by DbleNckel
Neal,
aren't you able to adjust either the ride height or spring rate to prevent the rubbing problem being that you have c/o's??
T.
aren't you able to adjust either the ride height or spring rate to prevent the rubbing problem being that you have c/o's??
T.
Tony,
Yeah, i can prevent my rubbing if i was to raise the car a little bit. But i love the height its at now! :p I have my coilovers on the stiffest setting, i think if i was to have it a little softer it would rub even more at this height on some bumps. My rubbing seems to not be doing any damage, and its the rear only as far as i know. All i hear is a LOUD griding sound when i am going fast around a turn or a very large dip in the road.
The other day i was driving on some emptly back roads near an airport that had lots of curves and turns, i was going about 75+ mph threw on of the cuves and it sounded like my car was rubbing against a concreate wall!
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Originally Posted by BlackC230Coupe
Tony,
Yeah, i can prevent my rubbing if i was to raise the car a little bit. But i love the height its at now! :p I have my coilovers on the stiffest setting, i think if i was to have it a little softer it would rub even more at this height on some bumps. My rubbing seems to not be doing any damage, and its the rear only as far as i know. All i hear is a LOUD griding sound when i am going fast around a turn or a very large dip in the road.
The other day i was driving on some emptly back roads near an airport that had lots of curves and turns, i was going about 75+ mph threw on of the cuves and it sounded like my car was rubbing against a concreate wall!
Yeah, i can prevent my rubbing if i was to raise the car a little bit. But i love the height its at now! :p I have my coilovers on the stiffest setting, i think if i was to have it a little softer it would rub even more at this height on some bumps. My rubbing seems to not be doing any damage, and its the rear only as far as i know. All i hear is a LOUD griding sound when i am going fast around a turn or a very large dip in the road.
The other day i was driving on some emptly back roads near an airport that had lots of curves and turns, i was going about 75+ mph threw on of the cuves and it sounded like my car was rubbing against a concreate wall!
hey, so when are you getting your wheel back from HRE so we can see some "outdoor" pics??? 
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Originally Posted by DbleNckel
gotcha! hey, so when are you getting your wheel back from HRE so we can see some "outdoor" pics???
hey, so when are you getting your wheel back from HRE so we can see some "outdoor" pics??? Oh i got that back about a week ago maybe. I just washed and zainoed the car today, if the weather is good tomorrow i will take some good outdoor pics!
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Originally Posted by smgC32
... The passenger side of my car is .125" off compared to the driver's side from the hub mounting surface to the outer fender. ...
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