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Old Jan 30, 2008 | 08:51 PM
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Per Car and Driver, September 1999

0-60:
C43 6.1
M3 6.0

5-60:
C43 6.4
M3 6.3

50-70:
C43 4.1
M3 7.1

1/4 Mile:
C43 14.6@99
M3 14.6@95


I think when you get into cars in this range, the driver has almost as much to do with the end result as the cars themselves. My neighbor who is getting the 335i is a former professional race driving instructor, so he may have the advantage in that category
On a roll I'd give it to the MB vs a stck E36 M3 but mod that E36 M3 like my 332i and it's all over.
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Old Jan 30, 2008 | 09:00 PM
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we aren't talking about running them in a 1/4 mile- the C43 just isn't designed for that AT ALL.

i am talking about acceleration from low highway speeds to faster than a stock e36 can travel. The c43 is much faster up there than it's 0-60 or 1/4 mile times show (although the fact that some trap over 100 starts to hint at it)

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Old Jan 31, 2008 | 05:16 AM
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we aren't talking about running them in a 1/4 mile- the C43 just isn't designed for that AT ALL.

i am talking about acceleration from low highway speeds to faster than a stock e36 can travel. The c43 is much faster up there than it's 0-60 or 1/4 mile times show (although the fact that some trap over 100 starts to hint at it)

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Where have you seen a C43 trap over 100mph in the 1/4 mile? I'll agree that over 100mph the C43 is faster stck vs stck. But it's not running anywhere near a stck 335i at any speed below or above 100mph.
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Old Jan 31, 2008 | 07:33 AM
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some people have posted that their s500's walkedthe 335i. There is NO chance in hell these posts are truthful. A 335i, would definitely kill a s500. The stories are just tall tales. If you want people to believe your stories, post vids.
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Old Jan 31, 2008 | 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by iguess
some people have posted that their s500's walkedthe 335i. There is NO chance in hell these posts are truthful. A 335i, would definitely kill a s500. The stories are just tall tales. If you want people to believe your stories, post vids.
your nuts s500 would def walk a 335, or maybe im thinking of a s600, i agree with you on that project c55 stock for stock with the e36 mb all the way, the thing is that unfortunatly its alot easier to mod a bmw than a mb, and for c43 trapping speeds ive seen a video somewhere kid had exhaust tuned ecu and gutted intake like me and his trap speed on 1/4 mile was 100 his time though was 14.0 but with a ****ty 60ft, i know on the 1/4 the bm like i said a bunch of times will take on the c43 but my c43 specially since i got the ecu from evosport after about 60 70 mph just shoots up to 155 so much faster, next thing for me is the pulley set from them witch ive heard is the biggest diference on the c43 then im done with the mods maybe the hps gen 1 charger this summer, quick question though am i gonna have to get rid of this ecu when i get the charger, and the pullleys? if so i wont even bother getting the pulley. i will def get some headers custom made though by a awsome welder i know with a 9 sec e36 m3 in nj. will that help with the s/c.?
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Old Jan 31, 2008 | 08:26 AM
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Bro I have smashed CLK430's with my E36 M3 especially off the line, and I'd hate tell you what I'd do to them with my M332i off the line and upstairs which walks my M3. You can ask several members here who know my car and have seen it run in Mexico(Secret place).If you r in the metro NY area let me know and we can give it a friendly run and see what's what.
so your telling me that u smashed a clk430 wirh a stock m3?? no way in hell ive raced stock m3 and killed them, now if like u said with an exhaust and whatever else done to the m3 yes u are correct but no way u beat a clk430 with a stock e36 m3, unless my girls clk is on steroids, but i can assure u its bone stock other than the suspension and 19" monoll, withc does nothing for performance. of course your 332 would destroy the clk or the c43 but were talking stock for stock here.
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Old Jan 31, 2008 | 08:30 AM
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im located in nj probably not too far from u, now if u wanna race modded cars we can go at with my 89 e30 with m50 swap on 60-1 now thats a fun car to drive a litle scary at high speeds since i havent had the chance to put the new suspension in.
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Old Jan 31, 2008 | 11:43 AM
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im located in nj probably not too far from u, now if u wanna race modded cars we can go at with my 89 e30 with m50 swap on 60-1 now thats a fun car to drive a litle scary at high speeds since i havent had the chance to put the new suspension in.
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Old Jan 31, 2008 | 05:10 PM
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e30t387, a s600 would definitely kill a 335i. a s500 would definitely not have a chance. You are right though, BMW= low cost to mod and big gains
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Old Jan 31, 2008 | 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by e30t387
im located in nj probably not too far from u, now if u wanna race modded cars we can go at with my 89 e30 with m50 swap on 60-1 now thats a fun car to drive a litle scary at high speeds since i havent had the chance to put the new suspension in.
Against the Talon? Sure! Where in NJ r u located?


By the way,making headers for the C43 will be extremely difficult..... Believe me I know!!!

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Old Jan 31, 2008 | 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by iguess
e30t387, a s600 would definitely kill a 335i. a s500 would definitely not have a chance. You are right though, BMW= low cost to mod and big gains


sure it does... they are amongst the most expensive brands out there to modify.
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Old Feb 1, 2008 | 03:36 AM
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sure it does... they are amongst the most expensive brands out there to modify.
I give the S500 no chance. It's too damn heavy!
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Old Feb 1, 2008 | 08:30 AM
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well i know this really good welder he makes all kind of custom headers, so well see what happens with that. im located in union nj, well the e30 only put out 347rwhp but its only on 15psi, the point i was making was i keep saying stock for stock and u keep bringging moddified cars into it, but i think itd be a fun run. After the suspension is in though, no way im going on the highway with the suspension blown like this.
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Old Feb 1, 2008 | 08:33 AM
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Damn , will all these C43's in NJ , NY, CT we should get together this spring for a cruise + photo shoot.
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Old Feb 1, 2008 | 08:58 AM
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Damn , will all these C43's in NJ , NY, CT we should get together this spring for a cruise + photo shoot.
i agree, i never knew there were that many close to me i thought i was the only one.
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Old Feb 1, 2008 | 01:17 PM
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Damn , will all these C43's in NJ , NY, CT we should get together this spring for a cruise + photo shoot.
Dave if you wanna start organizing something,that sounds good to me!
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Old Feb 1, 2008 | 01:22 PM
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well i know this really good welder he makes all kind of custom headers, so well see what happens with that. im located in union nj, well the e30 only put out 347rwhp but its only on 15psi, the point i was making was i keep saying stock for stock and u keep bringging moddified cars into it, but i think itd be a fun run. After the suspension is in though, no way im going on the highway with the suspension blown like this.
He may be a good welder,but it will be a ***** for him to make the drivers side + the down pipe. I went to a famous(can't remember the name but everyone knows) header welder to get something fabricated.
When they looked at the drivers side they said that it would not be worth it. The steering pump is gonna be the biggest problem. That's why I just ordered them from Kleeman for 2k. The newer W203's would not have a problem.
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He may be a good welder,but it will be a ***** for him to make the drivers side + the down pipe. I went to a famous(can't remember the name but everyone knows) header welder to get something fabricated.
When they looked at the drivers side they said that it would not be worth it. The steering pump is gonna be the biggest problem. That's why I just ordered them from Kleeman for 2k. The newer W203's would not have a problem.
yea i hear u i know exactly what your saying but hes one of my best friends and i know he can do it i know it wont be easy so does he , as for the meet lets do it man i think itll be tons of fun .
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Old Feb 1, 2008 | 03:04 PM
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Dave if you wanna start organizing something,that sounds good to me!
I have no problem participating/help organizing it.I believe though that since I am probably the furthest south that the meeting should probably in the NYC area.If someone can come up with a spot - we can all chime in on the date - I'll send the necessary PM'S and start a thread.....how's that sound?Have you heard from Steve lately ?
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yea i hear u i know exactly what your saying but hes one of my best friends and i know he can do it i know it wont be easy so does he , as for the meet lets do it man i think itll be tons of fun .
The problem I would see with this is....what if he does build these headers...and you install them....and there are no gains?I not trying to be a hater , but, it appears to be a build as you go thing with no guarantee on gains.
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Old Feb 1, 2008 | 03:48 PM
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The problem I would see with this is....what if he does build these headers...and you install them....and there are no gains?I not trying to be a hater , but, it appears to be a build as you go thing with no guarantee on gains.
trust me when i say he knows his **** cmon he got the fastest street legal m3 in the u.s, plus it would be hard to believe that there would be no gain.
im only paying for the material no labor charge so if there were to be no gain then i wouldnt really mind to tell u the truth, but its a v8 with nice set of headers downpipe and decent exhaust v8's like to breath. imo. well see what happens. let me know as for the location of the meeting and date. ill see about some places in nj/ny area.
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Old Feb 1, 2008 | 06:07 PM
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hmm- i know of the guy with the fastest street legal bmw in the us...

taking time off from his dodge turbo project to build you headers? count me in after they work...

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Old Feb 2, 2008 | 08:51 AM
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trust me when i say he knows his **** cmon he got the fastest street legal m3 in the u.s, plus it would be hard to believe that there would be no gain.
im only paying for the material no labor charge so if there were to be no gain then i wouldnt really mind to tell u the truth, but its a v8 with nice set of headers downpipe and decent exhaust v8's like to breath. imo. well see what happens. let me know as for the location of the meeting and date. ill see about some places in nj/ny area.
I don't doubt your guys ability at all.What I'm saying is alot of companies do M3 exhaust systems,agree?He has a base template from which to tweak from in order to get his additonal power from..at someone's elses expense.What does he work with here?A stock-although not bad exhaust system.Unless he has a aftermarket-Kleeman,Renntech-exhaust system to tweak he is basically is on his own and will surely make modifications to his design as this project goes.Good luck with the project, do some before and after dyno's and keep us posted.
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The 335 is fast but not as fast as everyone makes it out to be. its still not E46 M3 fast in stock form. Its low 5s to 60 and alot of that is b/c of gearing. If you were to race on the top end say from a 60mph roll, the results would be very different in a C36/C43 b/c thats where those cars just begin to shine, they aren't geared for 0-60 very well they are more about autobahn speeds.

Both are great cars and one thing i've learned is never underestimate benz figures, they are very conservative and in real life AMGs can keep up with cars that on paper it just shouldn't... thats the beauty of AMG engineering.
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The 335 is fast but not as fast as everyone makes it out to be. its still not E46 M3 fast in stock form. Its low 5s to 60 and alot of that is b/c of gearing. If you were to race on the top end say from a 60mph roll, the results would be very different in a C36/C43 b/c thats where those cars just begin to shine, they aren't geared for 0-60 very well they are more about autobahn speeds.

Both are great cars and one thing i've learned is never underestimate benz figures, they are very conservative and in real life AMGs can keep up with cars that on paper it just shouldn't... thats the beauty of AMG engineering.
dude. you are wrong. why dont you read the thread that shows the evidence against that. hell, 0-60 times, 1/4 mile times, AND trap speeds are posted.
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