C36 Twin Turbo
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C36 Twin Turbo
Im seriously considering it right now.
Anyone else have this done? I would need a general parts list, and how to go about getting them. any experience would be nice, and also what are my risks of ruining my engine or tranny at this point... car has 148k
THANKS
Anyone else have this done? I would need a general parts list, and how to go about getting them. any experience would be nice, and also what are my risks of ruining my engine or tranny at this point... car has 148k
THANKS
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From: seattle
1990 300ce supercharged and intercooled
This has been done by several different people. Search here and some of the other forums also check out the c-class and w124 section. If you keep the boost low, you will be ok. 4lbs is about the limit for reliability on the 3.6l.
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Your worst nightmare...
Have 2 friends that might have parts made for this conversion, in case you need them. He has headers already made for the C36. Their cars are very fast and reliable..they have done various modifications though. Good luck and I would do it if it adds enough power.
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From: Bigiddy Bay
C36 AMG
I'm on board!!!! where can we get this??? TURBOS!!!
Hey folks, I have learned quite a bit about this rare beast over the last 9 months.
1. need to change engine harnes PERIOD!
2. Only wheels that make sense are the 18's E55's
3. Throtle is tempermental and bogs when it wants to. Computer issue.
4. Hand crafted rocket from hell on good days!
5. I want it to go faster and get ultra parts for this thing!!!
This is a well built vehical, that was before it's time, and of course the c63 is the power stroked, steroided, gran daddy of them all..But they are still the same!!! the smell the flavor, it's AMG...The OG's of the industry!
My 95 is extra rare, especially with those $300 front rotors, that i got cheap in Marin, only because Sam said f**kit, these have been here forever!!! 1/2 price. Made my day! Only on the 95 1st year. You don't have that worry on the 97. But I'm hoping the Turbo kits are the same???
1. need to change engine harnes PERIOD!
2. Only wheels that make sense are the 18's E55's
3. Throtle is tempermental and bogs when it wants to. Computer issue.
4. Hand crafted rocket from hell on good days!
5. I want it to go faster and get ultra parts for this thing!!!
This is a well built vehical, that was before it's time, and of course the c63 is the power stroked, steroided, gran daddy of them all..But they are still the same!!! the smell the flavor, it's AMG...The OG's of the industry!
My 95 is extra rare, especially with those $300 front rotors, that i got cheap in Marin, only because Sam said f**kit, these have been here forever!!! 1/2 price. Made my day! Only on the 95 1st year. You don't have that worry on the 97. But I'm hoping the Turbo kits are the same???
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Do what whippleman did. Throw a kenne bell on the side of it. It would probably feel like a big V8 if you did.
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1990 300ce supercharged and intercooled
It is true that the low end torque from the positive displacement blower is fantastic. My favorite thing now is to accelerate from 2000 rpm up on the highway in 5th gear. Either a turbo setup or a supercharger set up like mine is going to cost 6-7 thousand by the time it is all said and done. It can be done cheaper but that requires a lot of research and work. I am still torn about whether to go with a bigger supercharger in the future or switch to a turbo. The cost is about the same.
The reason I said only 4lbs before is that the 3.6 has higher compression and at 4lbs of boost they make quite a bit of horsepower. You can go higher it just starts costing quite a bit of money.
The reason I said only 4lbs before is that the 3.6 has higher compression and at 4lbs of boost they make quite a bit of horsepower. You can go higher it just starts costing quite a bit of money.
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at 10.5:1 compression you can easily push the boost to 6-7psi safely. E36 M3s on the same level of compression with aftermarket FI run 8-9PSI. But I get your point, for the sake of being conservative 4psi is a good start. If you go turbo, ball-bearing turbo is definitely the best route.
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From: Bigiddy Bay
C36 AMG
Yeah I love all of this info but WHERE do you get it???
So where can you find all of these parts and such? I like the turbo idea @ 4 lbs. If I can get 100 horse that would be nice. I think it is 279 now ?
thx
thx
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From: seattle
1990 300ce supercharged and intercooled
First the e36 bmw uses head spacers for most of the kits to drop the compression.
As far as where to get the stuff to build a kit, it has to be made. I only know of a couple of ways to do this. One is to go with myself. I can make almost anything. The other is to go with solo36. He is building the turbo c36 an I think is selling the old twin kit from his car.
I have been interested in building a turbo kit for the m104 for a long time but have been focused on the supercharger for myself. If anyone is interested for
real please pm me.
As far as where to get the stuff to build a kit, it has to be made. I only know of a couple of ways to do this. One is to go with myself. I can make almost anything. The other is to go with solo36. He is building the turbo c36 an I think is selling the old twin kit from his car.
I have been interested in building a turbo kit for the m104 for a long time but have been focused on the supercharger for myself. If anyone is interested for
real please pm me.
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Hey folks, I have learned quite a bit about this rare beast over the last 9 months.
1. need to change engine harnes PERIOD!
2. Only wheels that make sense are the 18's E55's
3. Throtle is tempermental and bogs when it wants to. Computer issue.
4. Hand crafted rocket from hell on good days!
5. I want it to go faster and get ultra parts for this thing!!!
This is a well built vehical, that was before it's time, and of course the c63 is the power stroked, steroided, gran daddy of them all..But they are still the same!!! the smell the flavor, it's AMG...The OG's of the industry!
My 95 is extra rare, especially with those $300 front rotors, that i got cheap in Marin, only because Sam said f**kit, these have been here forever!!! 1/2 price. Made my day! Only on the 95 1st year. You don't have that worry on the 97. But I'm hoping the Turbo kits are the same???
1. need to change engine harnes PERIOD!
2. Only wheels that make sense are the 18's E55's
3. Throtle is tempermental and bogs when it wants to. Computer issue.
4. Hand crafted rocket from hell on good days!
5. I want it to go faster and get ultra parts for this thing!!!
This is a well built vehical, that was before it's time, and of course the c63 is the power stroked, steroided, gran daddy of them all..But they are still the same!!! the smell the flavor, it's AMG...The OG's of the industry!
My 95 is extra rare, especially with those $300 front rotors, that i got cheap in Marin, only because Sam said f**kit, these have been here forever!!! 1/2 price. Made my day! Only on the 95 1st year. You don't have that worry on the 97. But I'm hoping the Turbo kits are the same???
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I know these are not "run of the mill" bmws hence why I think these motors can take MUCH more than 4psi in stock form, in fact I think 6-7psi is way to conservative for a cast iron block C36 motor with extremely strong internals. With that said, all it takes is for something to see just how far these C36 motors can go.
According to the C36TT article in street power magazine (april 97), they got 561HP on stock 10.5:1 compression ratio with built heads, p&P and a few other things, but essentially stock-block & compression ratio was used. And they were running 8psi (which is right in line with what a 10.5:1 can run, just as the E36 M3s do). So obviously I'm right in this regard.
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Mosselman 190E 16V+ C63S+ Abarth 595
automatic twin turbo C36=
if anyones gonna truely turbo the C36 could they please getrag swap it first.
or just go my route and buy a getrag cossie and do an efi conversion and turbo build(and gonna be able to actually have fun with the power because of an LSD)
if anyones gonna truely turbo the C36 could they please getrag swap it first.
or just go my route and buy a getrag cossie and do an efi conversion and turbo build(and gonna be able to actually have fun with the power because of an LSD
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boost, blocks and cylinder heads....
Hey AMGCC - glad to see you're enjoying your Cossie powered MB :-)
From my experience the weakest link is the cylinder head and how it's attached to the block - this goes for any engine, assuming the internals are good.
The gasket / studs will normally let go long before the block does (cast or alloy) - again assuming the bottom end is good.
In fact it's actually better to have the head and block made of the same material - ie aluminum to avoid dissimilar rates of expansion and related problems.
Plus we'd normally O ring the cylinder for extra sealing when running high levels of boost.
Got to love the extra push as the turbos spool - in my 911 the faster it goes in 3rd the harder it accelerates as the turbos do their thing !
From my experience the weakest link is the cylinder head and how it's attached to the block - this goes for any engine, assuming the internals are good.
The gasket / studs will normally let go long before the block does (cast or alloy) - again assuming the bottom end is good.
In fact it's actually better to have the head and block made of the same material - ie aluminum to avoid dissimilar rates of expansion and related problems.
Plus we'd normally O ring the cylinder for extra sealing when running high levels of boost.
Got to love the extra push as the turbos spool - in my 911 the faster it goes in 3rd the harder it accelerates as the turbos do their thing !
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88-300CE TWIN TURBO, 99-C43, 05-G55K, 71-280SL, 94-E320 CAB, 08 CLK63 BLACK SERIES
The main concern is maintaining proper AFR's under boost to prevent detonation.
I'm a believer of additional injectors controlled by a stand alone controller.
A manual boost controller is important to synchronize the turbo waste gate opening.
The I6's if set up properly become real torque monsters.
My M103-12V with twin Garrett T2's was at 302 torque at the rear wheels on it's last pull on a mustang load dyno at .48bar.
I'm a believer of additional injectors controlled by a stand alone controller.
A manual boost controller is important to synchronize the turbo waste gate opening.
The I6's if set up properly become real torque monsters.
My M103-12V with twin Garrett T2's was at 302 torque at the rear wheels on it's last pull on a mustang load dyno at .48bar.
