My Honda Worshipping Buddy Has Threatened My C36!!!
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I don't know what the average quarter mile e.t is for a C36 but I'm guessing for the power/weight ratio maybe mid to low 14's (quarter miles aren't really our thing though...). A h22a prelude with a 5speed, i/h/e and a good driver can get mid 14's and sometimes low 14's. I've seen an n/a 4th gen prelude vtec with just regular bolt ons doing high 13's. You'll most definitely get him from the dig as prelude's strongest gear is about 3rd when their high revving motors come into play...but if he's pretty much stock with maybe an exhaust or intake, pretty much nothing to worry about...the only hondas I worry about now are ones running huge turbos or stripped out hatches with LS/VTEC motors...
1995 C36: zero to 60 MPH 6.1, quarter mile in 14.8 @96.4
1997 C36: zero to 60 MPH 6.1, quarter mile in 14.8 @96.9
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I don't know what the average quarter mile e.t is for a C36 but I'm guessing for the power/weight ratio maybe mid to low 14's (quarter miles aren't really our thing though...). A h22a prelude with a 5speed, i/h/e and a good driver can get mid 14's and sometimes low 14's. I've seen an n/a 4th gen prelude vtec with just regular bolt ons doing high 13's. You'll most definitely get him from the dig as prelude's strongest gear is about 3rd when their high revving motors come into play...but if he's pretty much stock with maybe an exhaust or intake, pretty much nothing to worry about...the only hondas I worry about now are ones running huge turbos or stripped out hatches with LS/VTEC motors...
What would you guys recommend doing from a dig? Just brake while gassing fr the launch? How do I assure I'll be in first gear as well, I deff want a 1st gear start but I know these trannys are unpredictable when it comes to them starting in first when you want them to. Also should I shift through the gears manually or leave her in drive and floor it? I've always wondered what everyone else does and what will actually produce faster times? Any input on how you do this guys?
I was also pondering about putting a little momentary button (Wired in parallel to the kickdown switch) somewhere near the shifter so that when pressed will activate the kickdown switch without having to floor the pedal, as there is a noticable delay that all of us are familliar with. This might also be a way to assure the car will start in first gear from a dig?
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Yeah, sounds about right. Though I think those #'s might be a bit conservative, but like I said, sounds pretty much spot on.
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Different cars, but I've run a 13.5@97.5, so the C36 mph would indicate that it can go faster than a 14.8.
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! Pretty sure I was 14.1* @ 99.9mph (I remember the mph specifically because I was pissed about missing 100 from the tenth of a mph ) But like your numbers suggest, I was on damp/wet roads with my ASR blinking up to 40mph. I think your numbers are more "real worldish" for sure and without a doubt.Any input on my post about shifting?
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14.8 sounds way slow
I've seen 14.2-14.4 posted by magazines
Buddy's V-box Performance Box in my car gave me 13.8...seems a tiny bit fast. I'd say the car's closer to 14.0
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Ben, I just now saw your question about 1st gear start. Here's how to do it:
At a stop, put the transmission into 2. You are now in 1st gear. Take off, the car will stay in 1st gear. The car will shift from 1st to 2nd at redline (about 40 mph). You'll have to shift from 2nd to 3rd by moving the shift lever. Nice cause you can rev it out to about 6700.
As a side note, if you want to, you can put the car into 2 at a stop (so really 1st gear), then drive away in 1st. If you want to short shift all you have to do is quickly move the shift lever out of 2nd and then put it back into 2nd. This is a 1st-2nd shift. You can shift through all of the gears by using the gear selectors on the floor even though it's only marked for D, 3, 2.
Hope that made sense
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The old C&D database has many cars that were tested in the following fashion - just plant the loud pedal and go. No power brake, no burnout, no pulling the spare (although many manufacturers used to send press cars out with no spare), and the tank is full. MANY cars aren’t even tested at a track – just use the 5th wheel (which is dead accurate). Countless cars are still tested this way today.
When we do go to a track, there are a lot of tricks that can be used to get an ultra-low number. For example, roll out (which is something different when testing a car than many people think). That, and some manufactures want the absolute best number. Others don't care. BMW may allow (or even encourage) me to severely hammer the transmission in an M5, but Porsche isn’t having it. If I bring back a P-car with a busted trans, I will never get another press car from PCNA. Yet another reason why the ET is a lot less important than the trap speed.
When we do go to a track, there are a lot of tricks that can be used to get an ultra-low number. For example, roll out (which is something different when testing a car than many people think). That, and some manufactures want the absolute best number. Others don't care. BMW may allow (or even encourage) me to severely hammer the transmission in an M5, but Porsche isn’t having it. If I bring back a P-car with a busted trans, I will never get another press car from PCNA. Yet another reason why the ET is a lot less important than the trap speed.
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Absolutley makes sense, this is exaclty how I have been doing it all along! However to get into first the car has to be at a COMPLETE stop after you put the shifter into 2nd, its kinda weird because sometimes when I shift it into 2nd at a slow roll up to a stop sign it will downshift into first I can feel it. Other times it just stays in 2nd! it's very unpredicatable, but at the same time there is nothign wrong with the transmission I think its just the nature of the vacuum modulated transmission. Thus I'm starting to ponder about implementing that kickdown button so when at a stop I can hold it down tricking the car into thinking I'm flooring it when I'm not and this will not only deffinitly start the car off in 1st gear but raise the shift point immediatly doing away with that 1-2second lag when you floor it to when the transmission actually kicks down. Just a thought here?
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Ben, since ur a handy guy try and up the shift pressure by turning the modulator on the left of the gearbox clockwise by 3 clicks atleast. It has a white cap, remove it and u will see a bronz T pull it slightly and turn, then put it all back. this will make shifts at redline very very quick, it will make the box live longer, and as long u dont over do it u will get firmer part throttle shifts but no harming jerks.
the modulator on the AMG is tough to reach due to tight space, but its worth it.
i have this done to all my cars since i really hammmer them, and my W124 has 390000km on the original gearbox, and has lived thru 25000km with the twinturbo and over 320lbft of trq.
the modulator on the AMG is tough to reach due to tight space, but its worth it.
i have this done to all my cars since i really hammmer them, and my W124 has 390000km on the original gearbox, and has lived thru 25000km with the twinturbo and over 320lbft of trq.
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Ben, since ur a handy guy try and up the shift pressure by turning the modulator on the left of the gearbox clockwise by 3 clicks atleast. It has a white cap, remove it and u will see a bronz T pull it slightly and turn, then put it all back. this will make shifts at redline very very quick, it will make the box live longer, and as long u dont over do it u will get firmer part throttle shifts but no harming jerks.
the modulator on the AMG is tough to reach due to tight space, but its worth it.
i have this done to all my cars since i really hammmer them, and my W124 has 390000km on the original gearbox, and has lived thru 25000km with the twinturbo and over 320lbft of trq.
the modulator on the AMG is tough to reach due to tight space, but its worth it.
i have this done to all my cars since i really hammmer them, and my W124 has 390000km on the original gearbox, and has lived thru 25000km with the twinturbo and over 320lbft of trq.
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A guy has tracked his FULLY stock C36 AMG 0-60 5.5-5.6 and quarter mile at 14.0 seconds.
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These numbers are WAY conservative... on top of what the other members said, this was when the AMG engines were brand new and not fully broken in yet,, the M104AMG starts breaking in at over 100K miles, and get's better from there.
A guy has tracked his FULLY stock C36 AMG 0-60 5.5-5.6 and quarter mile at 14.0 seconds.
A guy has tracked his FULLY stock C36 AMG 0-60 5.5-5.6 and quarter mile at 14.0 seconds.
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These numbers are WAY conservative... on top of what the other members said, this was when the AMG engines were brand new and not fully broken in yet,, the M104AMG starts breaking in at over 100K miles, and get's better from there.
A guy has tracked his FULLY stock C36 AMG 0-60 5.5-5.6 and quarter mile at 14.0 seconds.
A guy has tracked his FULLY stock C36 AMG 0-60 5.5-5.6 and quarter mile at 14.0 seconds.
The attached photo is an excerpt from a 1997 edition of Street Power magazine where they tested a turbo’d C36. You’ll note the first sentence says the stock C36 numbers were 14.6 at 97 MPH. Having been around the block, I can tell you the magazines we dealt with don’t print conservative numbers. They print what they record. Sometimes the recording process is more liberal than any customer could possibly hope to achieve on their own, but that’s the opposite problem and a different topic.
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These numbers are WAY conservative... on top of what the other members said, this was when the AMG engines were brand new and not fully broken in yet,, the M104AMG starts breaking in at over 100K miles, and get's better from there.
A guy has tracked his FULLY stock C36 AMG 0-60 5.5-5.6 and quarter mile at 14.0 seconds.
A guy has tracked his FULLY stock C36 AMG 0-60 5.5-5.6 and quarter mile at 14.0 seconds.
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Marcus I understand where you are comming from, problem is, now days I just have a hard time trusting any numbers whether it be from a well respected magazine or on television.
And Greg, something about those numbers sounds iffy. I know for a fact that C36's can do mid 14's easy....something must have been off. The only reason I insist is because the only thing I consider legit is time slips and Jon's got them...he aint lyin'! Do you have any timeslips scanned in that you could PM me by any chance? I want to start collecting some real world numbers, maybe we could even plan a trip to a local track when we get together for a meet this summer (Lime Rock Raceway Possibly). Now that would be ****.
And Greg, something about those numbers sounds iffy. I know for a fact that C36's can do mid 14's easy....something must have been off. The only reason I insist is because the only thing I consider legit is time slips and Jon's got them...he aint lyin'! Do you have any timeslips scanned in that you could PM me by any chance? I want to start collecting some real world numbers, maybe we could even plan a trip to a local track when we get together for a meet this summer (Lime Rock Raceway Possibly). Now that would be ****.
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No i didnt keep them. I did have a dirty MAF as it threw a code a few days later, but that probably would have gotten me .2 less. 14 flat doesnt seem possible. If its true, he must have had slicks
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Wheres lime rock? I always go to new england drag way. In the C36 you will hear a **** load of trash talk about the car. Hicks thinking their mustangs are the **** and dumbasses walking by whispering "nice badge" and "thats not a real amg." Then you burn them down the strip
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Wheres lime rock? I always go to new england drag way. In the C36 you will hear a **** load of trash talk about the car. Hicks thinking their mustangs are the **** and dumbasses walking by whispering "nice badge" and "thats not a real amg." Then you burn them down the strip
Pro races make up a very small part of the Lime Rock Schedule; one or two SCCA National races and a large number of SCCA regionals occur at the track during the course of a year, as well as a large number of Club Dates put on by organizations such as the Porsche Club of America, the BMW Car Club of America, Bonnet & Boot, and so forth. Finally, the East Coast headquarters of the Skip Barber Racing School is located nearby in Lakeville, and Lime Rock is one of the most popular sites for Barber schools and races.
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Should definitely meet up and have some sedan fun
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Is english your first language? I'm thinking you don't fully read posts or certian words that you read just don't register in your head. I'm sympathetic as I had dyslexia as a young child, so I can relate. Not one sentence or word that I wrote said my car runs a 5.5 second 0-60mph. Jon apparently has run mid 5's. He has timeslips, if I remember correctly it had a 5.6 printed on it. I trust the timeslips over your educated guess even though you seem pretty confident. Only other issues left here is: A) he is not stock, or B) the timeslip is bogus. I'm not making stuff up, nor blinded by unconditional love, or "dreaming"....everything I say has sources that back what I post up otherwise I'm just some schmuck spitting out opinions, which mean absolutley squat. Your posts seem to never have anything to back up what you assume/claim. I don't want this to turn into another stupid pointless beef but for some reason you really **** me off due to your lack of understanding when it comes to reading what is actually being said in my posts. Is it the way I word things? Are my posts really that confusing or was this just an honest misunderstanding? I, however, do agree that a 5.5 0-60 is pushing the limits of reality.
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