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Old Dec 18, 2012 | 06:57 PM
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when you buy all parts necessary for this gauge mod please decribe each part with correct partsnumber for all of us following this thread.

Sorry SAABO I now realise we have hijacked your thread.
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Test fitted the trim piece today. The front looks great, and it does fit fine with the storage cubby. Only issue is there is nothing behind the flat plate, and over the cubby. but that shouldn't be an issue. I also tore apart the wiring that goes to the mb phone unit (the one in the spot where the gauges will go) and I found a nice ground and blue wire for switched from the lights 12v for the gauges backlight

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Whoops, that's my mistake. Here is the part number for a 45* -4 male to -4 female:
AT924104ERL.

It's always time consuming to figure out exactly what is needed, but when it does come together, it's always very nice too!
Thank you! It is very time consuming, I can barely figure out the Earls catalogue, but you just did it all for us!! You da man
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Old Dec 19, 2012 | 05:38 AM
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nd4spd13:

you should have taken some guuud pictures of the gaugeplate testfit over the cubby compartment,
gaugeplate does it line up with the above ends of cubby sidewalls?
when you put your hand through the cubby and up behind the gaugeplate you'll access all looms, it's all open behind?

does it look any good with cubby and gaugeplate?
or does it look better with ashtray and fitted gaugeplate?

don't know if I should keep the ashtray or get a cubby install instead?

are there any front screw holes on the cubby compartment which should be bolted into the front sides of centre console?
how should cubby be screwed?

do you have partsnumber of cubby and 12v connection?

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Old Dec 19, 2012 | 05:35 PM
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Old Dec 19, 2012 | 06:58 PM
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I ordered my 'taxi' gauge plate today, supposedly will take 2-3 weeks to get here. Whatevs, I probably won't be installing it for quite some time, I just wanted to get one before it became no longer available!

https://mbworld.org/forums/4274031-post29.html

Link to list of part numbers. Page 2 has the part numbers for the cubbyhole and 12V socket which replaces the ashtray.
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Old Dec 19, 2012 | 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Saaboteur
I ordered my 'taxi' gauge plate today, supposedly will take 2-3 weeks to get here. Whatevs, I probably won't be installing it for quite some time, I just wanted to get one before it became no longer available!

https://mbworld.org/forums/4274031-post29.html

Link to list of part numbers. Page 2 has the part numbers for the cubbyhole and 12V socket which replaces the ashtray.
much obliged buddy.
glad you could get the plate.
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Old Dec 19, 2012 | 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by kowalski
nd4spd13:

you should have taken some guuud pictures of the gaugeplate testfit over the cubby compartment,
gaugeplate does it line up with the above ends of cubby sidewalls?
when you put your hand through the cubby and up behind the gaugeplate you'll access all looms, it's all open behind?

does it look any good with cubby and gaugeplate?
or does it look better with ashtray and fitted gaugeplate?

don't know if I should keep the ashtray or get a cubby install instead?

are there any front screw holes on the cubby compartment which should be bolted into the front sides of centre console?
how should cubby be screwed?

do you have partsnumber of cubby and 12v connection?
Ah sorry, I should have. Yes it lines up perfectly with everything and looks perfect from the front. The only bad part is exactly what you mentioned: if you reach into the cubby and up you will be feeling the backs of the soon-to-be-mounted gauges and whatever wiring you may find in there.
It may look better with the ashtray, but I have no use for that, it's a lot easier to access the 9 volt plug with the cubby and honestly, you need every inch of storage space you can get on the interior of the 202. haha. On my 36 I had the cubby and the sunglasses holder slot there.

The cubby is not screwed at all. There is a tiny lip held down by the gearshift trim piece, it is a tight fit against the walls of the centre console, and it is held again by the piece above it, then that is screwed at the top to the centre trim piece.

Originally Posted by Saaboteur
I ordered my 'taxi' gauge plate today, supposedly will take 2-3 weeks to get here. Whatevs, I probably won't be installing it for quite some time, I just wanted to get one before it became no longer available!
Nice! Hopefully they'll find another one in Ontario or another dealer so it won't take quite as long as expected.
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Old Dec 20, 2012 | 12:24 AM
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It may look better with the ashtray, but I have no use for that, it's a lot easier to access the 9 volt plug with the cubby....
9v Seems you have lost some volts on the way. What electrical system do you have??
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Old Dec 20, 2012 | 12:47 AM
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9v Seems you have lost some volts on the way. What electrical system do you have??
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Unrelated, but this was delivered to my house yesterday:

started tear down for paint-e8b612b6-0d5e-4bc2-aa1e-63201f1eada9-2375-00000481b8919af2.jpg

You can see the AA battery for comparison, this thing is huge! Filled with lovely images of the latest AMGs. Best of all was the price - free! Benefits of being an AMG Private Lounge member and entering their contests.
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Old Dec 20, 2012 | 01:21 PM
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great stuff SAABO but you know, my old skool dealerbooks are wayyyyyyyy ahead of all new AMG dealerbooks
new vs old memoribilia can not be compared in quality and picture/text info.
winner is old skool.

I still have 3x C43 dealerbooks 4-SALE last year 2000 tiptronic.
rare dealerbook as your car is rare among AMG collectors

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Old Dec 20, 2012 | 04:01 PM
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Parts ordered! Got the VDO Viewline ivory oil pressure. That's all I'm going to do for right now. That and the 1/8-27 NPT sender will be here friday. Also ordered my gear from Earls thanks to Saab for the PNs. I ended up getting a 90 degree one rather than a 45 though, so the adapter will plug into the test port (which I bought a new one of today, along with the new style seal) then 90 degree to go upwards where the hose will attach, run along the block behind the belt ziptied to some wires, then over to the pass. side headlight/coolant tank area via 2 feet of braided line, into an adapter, then the sender!
Also got the lower oil cooler seal (did the other two last spring) so I can hopefully keep my oil inside my engine from now on!
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Old Dec 20, 2012 | 04:52 PM
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when you get all the fitting parts, please write the partsnumbers and possible links where you bought them.
thanks

if you need orange colorhats to colormatch your cluster illumination I'll have 2 spare kits for sale when I get them.
each kit consist of 8 colorhats.
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Old Dec 20, 2012 | 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by kowalski
when you get all the fitting parts, please write the partsnumbers and possible links where you bought them.
thanks

if you need orange colorhats to colormatch your cluster illumination I'll have 2 spare kits for sale when I get them.
each kit consist of 8 colorhats.
EAR-64191924ERL
EAR-9919BFGERL
EAR-998704ERL
EAR-AT921104ERL

I paid extra to get black fittings, as I'm not really a fan of having the generic blue/red aluminum fittings in the bay of an otherwise AMG.

Thanks I'll let you know. I shouldn't need them, as my gauges should illuminate like the ones on the picture I posted on the other page, but if they'll don't I'll send you a pm
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Old Dec 20, 2012 | 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by nd4spd13
EAR-64191924ERL
EAR-9919BFGERL
EAR-998704ERL
EAR-AT921104ERL

I paid extra to get black fittings, as I'm not really a fan of having the generic blue/red aluminum fittings in the bay of an otherwise AMG.

Thanks I'll let you know. I shouldn't need them, as my gauges should illuminate like the ones on the picture I posted on the other page, but if they'll don't I'll send you a pm

thanks for the links.

about colorhats, I believe VDO gives you 1 red and 1 green hat in the box.
I don't think it will look any good in our cars.
sure no prob. let me know about the orange colorhats if you'll need them?
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Old Dec 20, 2012 | 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by nd4spd13
EAR-64191924ERL
EAR-9919BFGERL
EAR-998704ERL
EAR-AT921104ERL

I paid extra to get black fittings, as I'm not really a fan of having the generic blue/red aluminum fittings in the bay of an otherwise AMG.

Thanks I'll let you know. I shouldn't need them, as my gauges should illuminate like the ones on the picture I posted on the other page, but if they'll don't I'll send you a pm
One other note - when you put everything together, I would use thread sealant on the M12x1.5 thread and on the NPT - but not on the -4 AN threads.

Then post pix when you are done!
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Old Dec 21, 2012 | 11:00 AM
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I have recieved my orange colorhats for 52mm gauges.
You want colormatch to your cluster, you will need these.

I can sell 2 kits.
Each kit has 2x4 hats for 2 different light bulb sizes.
Pm if you're interested

Sorry for the crappy pic, kit is still sealed

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Front oelport cover shown in this link is fitted on later serial number engines.
http://www.autohausaz.com/secure/Par...1120150630.jpg
The above cover uses this gasket
http://www.autohausaz.com/secure/Par...1121840280.jpg

1998 and early 1999 cars have old style oelport cover and rectangular gasket.
My engine has the old style oelport cover which is fully plugged in casting, not the same as shown above.
My engine is using this gasket.
http://www.autohausaz.com/secure/Par...1121840161.jpg

When I connect my oel gauge pressure sender to one end of the SS braided line and the other end from SS line will connect to adapter #W166 589 0063 which bolts into oelport cover, this is what you mean nd4spd13?
I guess I then have to use this new designed oelport cover with the old style rectangular gasket?
http://www.autohausaz.com/secure/Par...1120150630.jpg
http://www.autohausaz.com/secure/Par...1121840161.jpg

#These senders are for Oel temperature gauge#
What length is better to use?
Short or long version brass sender?
Maybe it doesn't matter which one is used?

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Old Dec 22, 2012 | 01:04 PM
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Those are oil temperature senders. Best not to use those at the end of the stainless line, because the remote mounting of the temperature sender will mean you will not have an accurate reading.
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Old Dec 22, 2012 | 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by kowalski
Front oelport cover shown in this link is fitted on later serial number engines.
http://www.autohausaz.com/secure/Par...1120150630.jpg
The above cover uses this gasket
http://www.autohausaz.com/secure/Par...1121840280.jpg

1998 and early 1999 cars have old style oelport cover and rectangular gasket.
My engine has the old style oelport cover which is fully plugged in casting, not the same as shown above.
My engine is using this gasket.
http://www.autohausaz.com/secure/Par...1121840161.jpg

When I connect my oel gauge pressure sender to one end of the SS braided line and the other end from SS line will connect to adapter #W166 589 0063 which bolts into oelport cover, this is what you mean nd4spd13?
I guess I then have to use this new designed oelport cover with the old style rectangular gasket?
http://www.autohausaz.com/secure/Par...1120150630.jpg
http://www.autohausaz.com/secure/Par...1121840161.jpg

What length is better to use?
Short or long version brass sender?
Maybe it doesn't matter which one is used?
Not sure what you mean by "fully plugged in casting." I have the old style on right now, but I happened to pickup the new style piece and seal the other day to put on when I do the install. I think there should be a place to plug in the adapter on both of them.

And yup, that's what I'd use that for, but I decided to not use the MB adapter and get the one Saab mentioned so I could connect it to the line easier. Because barely anyone makes stuff for M12 x 1.5.

I would say shorter is probably easier to use, just to avoid any clearance issues when you install it in the pan.
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Old Dec 22, 2012 | 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Saaboteur
Those are oil temperature senders. Best not to use those at the end of the stainless line, because the remote mounting of the temperature sender will mean you will not have an accurate reading.
I forgot to describe the last question, it was for oel temp senders and not to be confused with oel pressure senders.
My bad.
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Old Dec 22, 2012 | 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by nd4spd13
Not sure what you mean by "fully plugged in casting." I have the old style on right now, but I happened to pickup the new style piece and seal the other day to put on when I do the install. I think there should be a place to plug in the adapter on both of them.

And yup, that's what I'd use that for, but I decided to not use the MB adapter and get the one Saab mentioned so I could connect it to the line easier. Because barely anyone makes stuff for M12 x 1.5.

I would say shorter is probably easier to use, just to avoid any clearance issues when you install it in the pan.
Fully plugged oelport cover =
I meant my old style oel port cover uses a hollow rectangular gasket as seen above.
I think old style cover comes fully casted without the threaded centre hole like new cover has.

New version gasket has more rubber within the gasket which is used with new style oelport cover.

what I meant is when assembling the sender onto the engine, these are the parts you need I guess?
new oel port cover + old style gasket + copper washer? + SS braided line + oel pressure sender + Earl's adapters?

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Old Dec 23, 2012 | 01:50 AM
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Originally Posted by kowalski
Fully plugged oelport cover =
I meant my old style oel port cover uses a hollow rectangular gasket as seen above.
I think old style cover comes fully casted without the threaded centre hole like new cover has.

New version gasket has more rubber within the gasket which is used with new style oelport cover.

what I meant is when assembling the sender onto the engine, these are the parts you need I guess?
new oel port cover + old style gasket + copper washer? + SS braided line + oel pressure sender + Earl's adapters?
Gotchya. You're going to want the new style gasket if you use the new style port. I don't think they're interchangeable.




Blue Earls male m12 x 1.5 to male -4AN adapter. Black Earls 90deg -4AN female to -4AN Male connector. -4AN to -4AN braided line, 24". -4AN male to female 1/8NPT adapter.


new style cover and gasket


Everything screwed together for the test fit. Will hopefully be grabbing a crush washer soon to go in between the blue Earls adapter and the cover


Inside of the new style cover without the gasket in place
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nd4sp13.
lovely pictures of your oel pressure senderkit.

Btw?
Those adaptors you bought in black and blue color, are they sold in same silver color as the braided lines?
I don't want any ricer christmas tree look in my bay.

A warning to you, your new version oelport cover with new style gasket will NOT fit your engine!
I tried this last year, and had a massive oel leak from that oel port gate!
I was out 'n' driving when my oel pressure warning light began illuminating.
A fast stopping and turning off the engine revealed a massive oel leak from front part of the engine.
Oel was gushing out

I had to call my MB specialist Guru, he came out to the rescue and topped off with missing oel and then had my car tug-towed back to his shop leaving me stranded.
New style gasket and cover was installed 2 days b4.
They seem not to be made for early C43's.
If the new oel port cover works with the old style rectangular gasket then all will be fine, if not we might face some problems??
A week later I had my car back, my guru put the old cover with a new rectangular old style gasket in.

That crush washer you mentioned, can't we use the standard copper plate washer MB is selling?
Nut that was screwed into the new cover had a copper washer if I'm not mistaking?

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Old Dec 23, 2012 | 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by kowalski
nd4sp13.
lovely pictures of your oel pressure senderkit.

Btw?
Those adaptors you bought in black and blue color, are they sold in same silver color as the braided lines?
I don't want any ricer christmas tree look in my bay.

A warning to you, your new version oelport cover with new style gasket will NOT fit your engine!
I tried this last year, and had a massive oel leak from that oel port gate!
I was out 'n' driving when my oel pressure warning light began illuminating.
A fast stopping and turning off the engine revealed a massive oel leak from front part of the engine.
Oel was gushing out

I had to call my MB specialist Guru, he came out to the rescue and topped off with missing oel and then had my car tug-towed back to his shop leaving me stranded.
New style gasket and cover was installed 2 days b4.
They seem not to be made for early C43's.
If the new oel port cover works with the old style rectangular gasket then all will be fine, if not we might face some problems??
A week later I had my car back, my guru put the old cover with a new rectangular old style gasket in.

That crush washer you mentioned, can't we use the standard copper plate washer MB is selling?
Nut that was screwed into the new cover had a copper washer if I'm mistaken.
Thanks!

I think one of them was available in silver, I think the 90deg was either black or blue, and the m12 adapter was only blue. You can check other brands, but this setup has the least blue I could get.

Uh oh..... Well when I bought the parts the tech at the dealer had my vin, so if there was an actual difference in the build of the block I hope they'd catch that. Are you positive the bolts were torqued properly and gasket was installed right way round?

Yep, I'd be getting the MB copper piece that's there. I'd just be wary of using the one that's already installed there




Gauge and sender will be here tomorrow!

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everything was torqed to specs with the new oel port cover, still gushed oil.
new style rubber didn't seal as it should because, the old style gasket is hollow and he new isn't hollow which means, new gasket centre seal won't fit in the slots where the old gasket fits.
centre part of new gasket doesn't fit, there is no slots for it.
can't explain it better.
hope you understand?
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