W203Ramos

OH MY.....MY CAR ISN'T HAND BUILT?....i've been fooled!!!

503C43 ////AMG

"Thank you for saying you don't know much about cars. However, what year was that 996 that you raced? What year did the 335i's start coming out? 07? Technology has improved significantly since and the 335i's have very little turbo lag. Did you know that the 335i is a twin turbo?"

Not to start another argument but the 335I is a Bi-turbo not a twin turbo..... and yes there is a difference.

LawRens

335i is twin turbo...

DRBC43AMG

+1
http://www.bmw.com/com/en/newvehicle...6c_petrol.html

RLx02

You can see here that the i6TT is a twin turbo.

aroonkl

I really have to +1 that you do not know much about car or live in ur c43 Fantasy land. I do not have 335i but I have and hang out with 996T. I would have to say no stock C43 pull from roll with 996T.
He might not know playing with you or you get him of guard in high gear. But when he downshifted, he did let you standing still.

dlwiser

You just getting owned is faster than your c43!

ProjectC55

I'm with you on that After one drive in a W210 E55 I took out the struggling 4.3L and put in what they should have put in the AMG W202 fom the start a 5.5L motor. The difference is night and day. The 5.5L motor made the E55 feel lighter than my C43 with the 4.3L motor. Hence started my trek on finding a suitable 5.5L motor.

A C43 aint running with a 335i in no form.

Either that car was not a 335i(could have been a 328 or other 3 seriesi) or the guy did not know how to drive.
I know my E36 M3 would slaughter a C43 as I've done to my buddy's CLK430.

503C43 ////AMG

I stand corrected...... The 335I IS a twin turbo, it has twin scroll turbos

PJmak

Im not bothered by the fact that my car isnt that fast


I hate when people come up with excuses.


"Car went to limp mode" ??? Are you kidding me, so a 335 in limp mode hangs with my c43, damn the 335 must be a rocket then. Also those guys that lose to c43 always seem to be ****ty drivers according to you guys.

What if the c43 is a ****ty driver? What if your friend in the clk430 who you beat with your m3 is a ****ty driver??


Also there a race on youtube of a c55 racing a stock E36 M3 from a roll and its not even pulling on it.

You say you barely beat the 335 with your modded c55? Maybe you cant drive?? With that power you should be runing better times at drag strips. A W202 with a C55 swap runs low 13s high 12s all day no mods and your is modded.......yea id say you cant drive

C43 and 335 have identical hp and torque fyi

I apologize on the c32 comment, I honestly thought I saw a V6 kompressor badge in your sig on your car.

Im not saying the c43 has anything extra over the c32 but the built quality is far better.

"I really have to +1 that you do not know much about car or live in ur c43 Fantasy land. I do not have 335i but I have and hang out with 996T. I would have to say no stock C43 pull from roll with 996T.
He might not know playing with you or you get him of guard in high gear. But when he downshifted, he did let you standing still. "

Trust me theres o catching this guy of guard. Hes a good driver. Look up forum wars, hes the guy with the silver 996 turbo who beat the two skylines


I didnt say I pulled on him. It was dead even with him for a few seconds till his turbokicked in. Same result when I raced my friends E55 kompressor. Im not saying my car is faster then those cars hell no. Im just giving you an example of turbo\supercharger lag

Saaboteur

In my mind, "twin turbo" and "bi-turbo" are the same, referring to two turbochargers being used on a single engine, regardless of engine configuration. The choice of nomenclature is up to the manufacturer. Notice Mercedes and AMG refer to the turbocharged V12 600 and 65 series cars as 'bi turbo', and so did Audi with their V6s in the older S4s (and a few other cars), but Porsche calls their flat 6 turbo engines twin turbo, and the same designation was used by Toyota on the MkIV Supra.

My recollection is that "twin scroll" refers to the turbine housing being divided into two, so as to separate the flow coming in from the exhaust manifold.

Turbos have come a very long way from the late '70s when turbos first started appearing on 911s (and Saabs! And the BMW 2002). Back then you could hardly avoid lag, that was just the nature of the design. But now you have - twin scroll technology, dual ball bearing centre sections, variable vane geometry on the turbines. All that tech, plus quantum leaps in engine management, mean immensely minimized turbo lag and very nicely matched turbo and engine combinations. Generally speaking, volume manufacturers will use turbos to increase power outputs of smaller displacement engines (AMG is an obvious exception) and that means lots of torque from low RPMs with minimal lag. Take a look at the torque figures on any modern production turbocharged sedan. When you get into aftermarket performance, that's when you start to see stupidly plateau'd torque/power curves - like on a typical 1000hp MkIV Supra.

Addressing another comment - superchargers, being belt driven, are not going to see any lag, but should follow a pretty linear torque / power curve.

It all really depends on what the application is and how the combination is tuned. Examples from the S2000 world - the GReddy turbo kit and any typical supercharger kit (Science of Speed, Comptech, Vortech, Rotrex) all typically make ~300rwhp, give or take 20hp either way. But the GReddy has a small-ish turbocharger with quick spool up and a lot more torque under the curve. The charger kits, with the exception of the Rotrex, make linear power that follows the stock NA curves.

RLx02

FYI I ran a 13.1@107 on my c55 with heavy 19" wheels and only a tune. With my drag tires, headers and new ecu I should be mid to high 12's. Do you know what driving is? Straight line hwy racing has little to zero driving skill involved. Have you even taken your car to an autocross or a road race? I don't think so. So please, don't tell me or anyone else who actually has driven around a track that they don't know how to drive. I also did not "barely beat it" I slowly walked away at higher hwy speeds. But for a while we were neck and neck. God, you really don't know how to read either.

Second of all

THE C43 AND THE 335I DO NOT HAVE IDENTICAL TORQUE AND HORSEPOWER NUMBERS



Time and time again we've tried to pound this into your head but you refuse to listen. What it is RATED from the factory and how much horspower/torque it REALLY makes are TWO different things. Do you know what a dynometer is? How people measure the horsepower from their vehicle? You are what we used to call "magazine ricers".

This is why I cannot speak to you as if you were an adult because you still, refuse to believe in things called FACTS.

aroonkl

If that was the guy "F1crazydriver or Enrique", he might teased you by let you gain and roll you back. His car has stock turbo+exh+tune and make 500hp. Go roll with him again. And ask for no teasing or easy. He will kill you instantly.
996T has very small lack if you keep rpm 3500+. If he is serious about you, he could do brake boost too. But I do not see why he would do that. His power/weight ratio is twice of yours.

On 335i, lag even way less. It is designed with higher compression ratio and small/lower inertia turbo. Against C43, after advantage in HP/weight, transmission is way newer, more efficient and crisp. All your MB friends are realistic, not ignorant. Go drive one and you will know.

boohooramblers

PJmak

yea thats him thats when his car was pretty much stock a few years ago. Ive been friends with him for some time now

And just to correct you, 335 is heavier. Like I said noone here should be assuming the 335 is faster just by lookin at the stats. None of you have raced one with a c43 except the two guys who actually won the races, I dont care if u raced one with your c55. That doesnt mean anything

PJmak

You are telling me straight line hyway driving requires no skill but earlier you said the 335 driver probably didn't know how to drive. Lol give it a rest dude, you are obviously one of many guys here who dont like being proven wrong

Dude ive cracked rims in half and caused my rotors to glow red by running canyons, lets not go there




Ok 335 has 30 more wheel hp according to one of you guys. Dont you think its embarrassing that it barely competes with my car from a roll then???


Heres a video of a C43 with a c55 motor and a LSd doing low 13s, his best run is 12.9

You can barely manage that with your 410hp c55?? Thats embarrassing


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXZ71...eature=related

ProjectC55

Dude,43's are for chillin not for racing. Throw a 5.5L motor in there and then you can mention beating and running away from a 335i. You'll also be in E39 M5 country. My E36 M3 will roast a C43 especially off the line. A modded one would murder a C43.

By the way,that 12.9sec C43 is modded. It also NOW has a E55K motor in it so it is now more of a beast than b4.

PJmak

According to him it only had a full 3inch exhaust and a LSD

What kinda M3 do you have?

I never raced one but I believe my friend when he told me he raced those a few times and beat them no problem. Of the line probably not but high end yea, just like all the magazine reviews pretty much say but Im not gona go with those.

What do you make out of that then?? Those m3s my friend raced didn't know how to drive???


And c43s have potential to be w\e you want them to be. Its a sporty car and a muscle car at the same time. It also has a bit of luxury. You choose what you wana use it for

FrankW

lol, you are still trying to throw "the 335 is heavier" out there???? it's heavier by 100lbs, yet it still has more power to weight ratio because it puts down 30rwhp and torque more than the C43. If stats don't mean anything then why do you keep mentioning it??? and as Rx said, stumping on gas in a straight line doesn't take much skills however it does when someone has a manual. I'm sorry, but if a C43 comes up next to me and wants to go I wouldn't even bother wasting my gas unless I know the guy or I know he is modded and wants to see what it can do.

and once again, NO...we're not assuming. we know it's a fact. and read the last post by ProjectC55.

so it doesn't mean anything that we have a faster car than the C43 and raced a 335 with a driver ready to go???

PJmak

How do you know that 335 was manual??? Ok since he had a passenger the weight pretty much was equal. How come he wasn't catching up with the c43 then??

FrankW

you can have a cookie for trying to argue with Carl.

what kind of M3 does he have...

PJmak

I know its a E36 duh but what im asking is if its stock, manual or auto and what not.

FrankW

lol, rolling start weight factor very little compare to a standing start.

1. the C43 could've jumped before the 335 knows what is going on. I've smoked new M3s the same way off the line, an instant 3 car jump and the M3 never recovered. It doesn't make my car faster than the new M3.

2. automatic 335 and manual 335 puts down the same rwhp with maybe 5rwhp difference. this shows you how good the auto transmission is in the new Bimmers. if the guy has a manual, he could've slowed shifted, miss shifted, etc human error. it's as simple as that.

until someone post a time slip of a stock C43 running 105mph+ in 1/4 miles on road tires. the FACT remains the same. one car traps 104-105mph through 1/4 miles and one car traps 99-100mph through 1/4 miles. you would know when you have a FAST car when you trap a ridiculous high speed through 1/4 miles. doesn't matter if you have a better launch or a bad one, the car that will trap higher speed = FASTER. why? because they have more power, more torque, and better power to weight ratio.

PJmak

How would you explain a C43 beating an EVo from a roll? EVOs run low to mid 13s in a quarter mile and trap higher then the C43

FrankW

i think that was explained to you on mymbonline already ages ago...read those.

let me just ask you this: do you think your car can beat a E46 M3 stock? ... and watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZGwpifULe4