C43 '55' swap thread
#651
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2006 E55 AMG/1996 C36 AMG/1999 C43/55 AMG
#652
ok, I did the swap here's what I had to swap
1: the engine wiring harness
2: the alternator
3: used oil pans from the c43
4: used throttle body from c43
5: swapped knock sensors over
6: motor mount arms
7: ac compressor, 55 motor didn't have one. don't know if you can re-use
My motor was from the w209 2003 clk 55 with the evo spec motor. will post dyno once I do it to see what improvement there is over a normal 55 motor. I hope this clears any confusion for future swaps
1: the engine wiring harness
2: the alternator
3: used oil pans from the c43
4: used throttle body from c43
5: swapped knock sensors over
6: motor mount arms
7: ac compressor, 55 motor didn't have one. don't know if you can re-use
My motor was from the w209 2003 clk 55 with the evo spec motor. will post dyno once I do it to see what improvement there is over a normal 55 motor. I hope this clears any confusion for future swaps
#653
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1999 C43 AMG, 2005 E55 Wagon
ok, I did the swap here's what I had to swap
1: the engine wiring harness
2: the alternator
3: used oil pans from the c43
4: used throttle body from c43
5: swapped knock sensors over
6: motor mount arms
7: ac compressor, 55 motor didn't have one. don't know if you can re-use
My motor was from the w209 2003 clk 55 with the evo spec motor. will post dyno once I do it to see what improvement there is over a normal 55 motor. I hope this clears any confusion for future swaps
1: the engine wiring harness
2: the alternator
3: used oil pans from the c43
4: used throttle body from c43
5: swapped knock sensors over
6: motor mount arms
7: ac compressor, 55 motor didn't have one. don't know if you can re-use
My motor was from the w209 2003 clk 55 with the evo spec motor. will post dyno once I do it to see what improvement there is over a normal 55 motor. I hope this clears any confusion for future swaps
#654
That was my biggest concern, if the 4.3 oil pump would have enough flow for the bigger motor. I ended up using the 5.5 pump because i thought it would be on the safer side. can you provide any more info about the other member?
#655
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12' W204 C63 AMG coupe "T-Rex", 12' W451 Smart Fortwo Pulse (99' W202 C43 AMG sold)
Just checked the EPC and oil pumps have different part #s. I doubt that MB would make a different pump flowing more oil as both engines are not much different in size. Only difference is the pump pick up point due to sump design.
A closer look at the EPC shows that the E55 has the same oil pump reference # so guess you are good to go
A closer look at the EPC shows that the E55 has the same oil pump reference # so guess you are good to go
#656
Starting to doubt anyone has done this swap with the w209 engine. This oil pump is killing me, I cant use the c43 pump because it wont bolt to the motor properly and i cant use the clk55 pump because the pickup is too high and the 2nd pickup is sucking air because this car NEEDS to have the c43 pan with only the front sump, w209 pan has a rear sump that hits the steering rack. will try oil pump from w208 but i dont know what i will do if that doesnt work.
#660
#661
someone on this board has claimed to do it. i cant find the thread, but he also claimed a few mods and a lot of HP. he is not a frequent poster so even if i did find the thread i doubt you'd get a quick response if a response at all.
are you saying that the bolt holes do not line up? put the pump on a press and drill them out.
are you saying that the bolt holes do not line up? put the pump on a press and drill them out.
#662
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00 C200 & 00 C55 & 06 SLK55
If i'm not mistaken;
you have to change the upper & lower oil pans with oil pump from Clk430 to Clk55,,
but you will have to check about the pulley & chain,
some Engines got differ. oil pump chain that won't fit to the pump pulley..!
-;ZAYED;-
you have to change the upper & lower oil pans with oil pump from Clk430 to Clk55,,
but you will have to check about the pulley & chain,
some Engines got differ. oil pump chain that won't fit to the pump pulley..!
-;ZAYED;-
#663
someone on this board has claimed to do it. i cant find the thread, but he also claimed a few mods and a lot of HP. he is not a frequent poster so even if i did find the thread i doubt you'd get a quick response if a response at all.
are you saying that the bolt holes do not line up? put the pump on a press and drill them out.
are you saying that the bolt holes do not line up? put the pump on a press and drill them out.
#664
chain off, but pump is aligned with oil tube
chain on, would not even line up with tube
Wanted to post some photos of the fitment issues we had with the oil pumps, we fixed the problem but i wanted to show you 100% can not use c43 pump with w209 engine
#665
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1999 C43 AMG, 2005 E55 Wagon
The idea now is to extend the clk55 pickup tube lower and plug the 2nd pickup holes but if that dosent work i may have to look into making the c43 pump fit. It was popey24 i believe, and I drove the car a little bit with the clk55 pump on. holy **** its awesome, i need to feather the pedal in second now because 1st gear is useless and 2nd gear is also close to useless. Theres so much power down low i cant wait to get this up to speed and hear it scream at the 6700 redline.
the e39 M5 is remembered as the first ever super saloon but a w202 C55 would have given it serious competition.
#666
isn't it amazing what a difference it makes? I was expecting it to feel noticeably more powerful because on paper it's not that big of an increase, but holy **** the car felt twice as powerful. It radically changes the car and makes me question MBs judgement for not shipping them all with this engine.
the e39 M5 is remembered as the first ever super saloon but a w202 C55 would have given it serious competition.
the e39 M5 is remembered as the first ever super saloon but a w202 C55 would have given it serious competition.
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12' W204 C63 AMG coupe "T-Rex", 12' W451 Smart Fortwo Pulse (99' W202 C43 AMG sold)
Yes you can with some modifications regarding the park mechanism on the transmission and swap the propshaft flange.
#669
Thank you!! I will do research on both these mods, I hope someone has something written on it, I read previously that the TCU would have to be changed but Im glad it doesn't. If you know of any threads, please let me know. Thank you!
#670
I also found this PDF online, which maybe useful in the future for somebody,
http://www.all-trans.by/assets/site/...es/722.6.1.pdf it is pretty informative.
http://www.all-trans.by/assets/site/...es/722.6.1.pdf it is pretty informative.
#671
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I also found this PDF online, which maybe useful in the future for somebody,
http://www.all-trans.by/assets/site/...es/722.6.1.pdf it is pretty informative.
http://www.all-trans.by/assets/site/...es/722.6.1.pdf it is pretty informative.
you can keep stock c43 trans though, it is the same internally as e55
#672
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I also found this PDF online, which maybe useful in the future for somebody,
http://www.all-trans.by/assets/site/...es/722.6.1.pdf it is pretty informative.
http://www.all-trans.by/assets/site/...es/722.6.1.pdf it is pretty informative.
you can keep stock c43 trans though, it is the same internally as e55
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#673
Yes Sulaco i was able to talk to him and he provided all the info i needed, great guy!! Much respect to him!
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#675
Hey Fellas,
So before reading this thread, I honestly did not have any plans on doing a 55 swap, I believe not even a full week here and I got myself a motor lol Anyways I bought it from a Bimmer dismantle shop down in ATL. I have been in contact with them and they have provided on the information I needed from them, but when matching the engine code (number on the rear right side of the block] to the vin I was provided, I see that they are not matching up when I decode the vin. using this tool here http://carinfo.kiev.ua/cars/vin/merc...u=trud3e860z5n
I have uploaded the pictures that I have of the engine code and of the engine itself , I know that they are difficult to tell apart c43 vs c55, but I want to make sure, that this is in fact a 55 motor. Is there a way to verify the motor by engine code (Reverse look up?) This is what i make of the engine code 113 984 60 016 765 3 or 8 1 0 5 << underline is a total on only 4 digits
any help would be appreciated thank you.
rear of motor
113 984 60 016 765 3 or 8 1 0 5 << 4 digits
So before reading this thread, I honestly did not have any plans on doing a 55 swap, I believe not even a full week here and I got myself a motor lol Anyways I bought it from a Bimmer dismantle shop down in ATL. I have been in contact with them and they have provided on the information I needed from them, but when matching the engine code (number on the rear right side of the block] to the vin I was provided, I see that they are not matching up when I decode the vin. using this tool here http://carinfo.kiev.ua/cars/vin/merc...u=trud3e860z5n
I have uploaded the pictures that I have of the engine code and of the engine itself , I know that they are difficult to tell apart c43 vs c55, but I want to make sure, that this is in fact a 55 motor. Is there a way to verify the motor by engine code (Reverse look up?) This is what i make of the engine code 113 984 60 016 765 3 or 8 1 0 5 << underline is a total on only 4 digits
any help would be appreciated thank you.
rear of motor
113 984 60 016 765 3 or 8 1 0 5 << 4 digits