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Old 05-18-2011, 02:44 PM
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Regarding the 4.3L V8...

I've always wondered about this, and just now realized I've never brought it up here, so here goes...I recall that the W210 offered a 4.2L 32-valve V8 for one (or two?) model year before changing to the 4.3L 24-valve V8. This always seemed like a step back in technology to me (from a 4- to 3-valve)...anyone know why MB did this? Had they not done that, all you C43 owners would be driving C42s instead, which I think has more potential for top-end power. Just my 2 cents...

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The M113 actually has a total of 24 valves.
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this explains the "kick" @ 3,700 RPM:

Aside from being lightweight, the intake manifold on normally aspirated M113 V8 has the longest intake runners in the industry. Under hood space was saved by casting the manifold so that the long intake passages spiral around to each cylinder. Internally, the intake manifold has eight valves built into it. These valves are closed below 3,700 RPM, directing the intake air across the long intake path. That's because when an intake stream follows the long route, pressure waves develop that result in an improvement in low and mid-range torque. Unfortunately, this long path becomes a detriment at higher RPMs. In the M113, above 3,700 RPM the valves open and the intake air follows a much shorter route. This shorter route dramatically increases high speed efficiency, resulting in a substantial increase in horsepower. These ECU controlled valves create an environment in which the engine can breathe at maximum efficiency throughout the rev range.

I LOVE THAT "KICK"!!!
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Originally Posted by Saaboteur
The M113 actually has a total of 24 valves.
Yeah yeah, I caught my error just before you had to mention it.
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Originally Posted by Saaboteur
The M113 actually has a total of 24 valves.
yes, 3 valves per cylinder and 8 cylinders per motor

lets see....

3 (valves) X 8 (cylinders) = 24 (valves)

YUP 24 VALVES!! not 18...
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Originally Posted by siideways
Yeah yeah, I caught my error just before you had to mention it.
You've been in straight-6 land too long!
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Originally Posted by 503C43 ////AMG
this explains the "kick" @ 3,700 RPM:

Aside from being lightweight, the intake manifold on normally aspirated M113 V8 has the longest intake runners in the industry. Under hood space was saved by casting the manifold so that the long intake passages spiral around to each cylinder. Internally, the intake manifold has eight valves built into it. These valves are closed below 3,700 RPM, directing the intake air across the long intake path. That's because when an intake stream follows the long route, pressure waves develop that result in an improvement in low and mid-range torque. Unfortunately, this long path becomes a detriment at higher RPMs. In the M113, above 3,700 RPM the valves open and the intake air follows a much shorter route. This shorter route dramatically increases high speed efficiency, resulting in a substantial increase in horsepower. These ECU controlled valves create an environment in which the engine can breathe at maximum efficiency throughout the rev range.

I LOVE THAT "KICK"!!!
Does my M113 get this to?
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Originally Posted by 02Drunkenup
Does my M113 get this to?
The "kick" is VERY noticeable so if you have to ask I would say no...



J/K..I'm sure it operates in the same fashion but may be less noticeable as your m113 is not as "tuned" as the m113 in the C43.
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Originally Posted by siideways
I've always wondered about this, and just now realized I've never brought it up here, so here goes...I recall that the W210 offered a 4.2L 32-valve V8 for one (or two?) model year before changing to the 4.3L 24-valve V8. This always seemed like a step back in technology to me (from a 4- to 3-valve)...anyone know why MB did this? Had they not done that, all you C43 owners would be driving C42s instead, which I think has more potential for top-end power. Just my 2 cents...
We are driving C42's, they just call them C43's

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