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Odd Noise - Steering/Suspension Related

Old May 19, 2013 | 03:40 PM
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Odd Noise - Steering/Suspension Related

Hey guys,

The car has recently developed an odd "popping" noise front, passenger side. Here are symptoms/facts:
  • Heard during low-speed, turning, and major compression - e.g. running over a speed bump. I don't hear it going fast, but then again, I'm not steering while going fast either.
  • More prevalent when I turn to the right or go over a speed bump
  • In the last year, the following have been replaced: idler arm bushing, all lower control arm bushings, ball joints, springs, spring pads, shocks/struts.
  • Did the classic shake-the-wheel ball joint test - seems fine
  • Did the classic grab-and-twist-thet-tie-rod-end test - also seems fine (no movement whatsoever)
Went and looked around; torqued everything to spec. Issue still persists. No damn clue what it is but it's a god awful (and embarrassing sound) when I turn in parking lots.

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Old May 19, 2013 | 04:00 PM
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Possibly a CV joint??
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Old May 20, 2013 | 12:40 AM
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Shock ends tight?
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Old May 20, 2013 | 04:46 AM
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Front sway bar bushes or steering ball joints or traverse steering link ?
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Old May 20, 2013 | 07:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Super B
Shock ends tight?
Yup. I torqued them to spec because I just threw them in last week.

Originally Posted by DRBC43AMG
Front sway bar bushes or steering ball joints or traverse steering link ?
Ball joints are replaced. Maybe the sway bar bushings or traverse steering link. Doubt it's the bushings because the sound is nothing like bad bushings.

Maybe the CV joint but I have no clue. Think I'll cave and take it to the shop.
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Old May 20, 2013 | 07:52 AM
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what about your wheel bearings?
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Old May 20, 2013 | 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by kowalski
what about your wheel bearings?
I replaced my wheel bearings not long ago but I'd be surprized if it was a bearing. He would hear the noise a higher speed even without turning hard. My "bad" wheel bearing was way more noisy at higher speed and barely noticeable below 30mph.
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Old May 20, 2013 | 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by importfan21
Yup. I torqued them to spec because I just threw them in last week.
Is that about the time the noise showed up? not saying you did anything wrong but just trying to narrow down the turn on point of your problem. And the suspension has to be compressing? If you turn the wheel lock to lock there is no pop?
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Old May 20, 2013 | 04:58 PM
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since OP said the noise is coming from the front area, i would rule out the CV's, which are on the rear axle.
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Old May 20, 2013 | 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Super B
Is that about the time the noise showed up? not saying you did anything wrong but just trying to narrow down the turn on point of your problem. And the suspension has to be compressing? If you turn the wheel lock to lock there is no pop?
The noise started about a month before I did the shocks, but I thought it was shock-related (also heard them hitting the bumpstops, so I knew they were gone). Post-install the popping was still there so I thought maybe I didn't torque them right; double-checked them and they're all good. Noise still persisted.

Full lock is actually when it's worse (full lock right).

Originally Posted by kowalski
what about your wheel bearings?
Nah, definitely not. I've had bad bearings before in my w201 and I know that sound all too well.
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Old May 20, 2013 | 08:59 PM
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you know what? i actually had the same problem with mine (if i am understanding your issue correctly). had the noise for years and tens of thousands of miles. no one was ever able to diagnose it. never had any issues as a result, though, fwiw.
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Old May 20, 2013 | 09:27 PM
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Hmm it's a shot in the dark (as it always is over the internet) but with out seeing it/hearing it I suspect it's one of the ball joints. but that's a total guess, personal opinion best thing to do would be to compress the spring split the upper joint and tie rod end. Pull the caliper so you can sneak the spring out. Then re attach the upper ball joint and manipulate the suspension by hand. A lot of dirty work but you could probably source the problem.

But before doing all that.. check to make sure the upper control arm is tight (behind air box and under coolant overflow) also you might turn to right lock in the drive way and use a floor jack to raise and quickly lower your car to narrow down the source of the noise closer.
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Old May 20, 2013 | 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by m a x i m u s
you know what? i actually had the same problem with mine (if i am understanding your issue correctly). had the noise for years and tens of thousands of miles. no one was ever able to diagnose it. never had any issues as a result, though, fwiw.
Well that's both a comfort and an annoyance. I'm confident that the steering/suspension won't fall apart on me, but damn it is so embarassing when I'm turning in a parking lot and you hear this loud pop. Doesn't make a car nut like me look good.

Originally Posted by Super B
Hmm it's a shot in the dark (as it always is over the internet) but with out seeing it/hearing it I suspect it's one of the ball joints. but that's a total guess, personal opinion best thing to do would be to compress the spring split the upper joint and tie rod end. Pull the caliper so you can sneak the spring out. Then re attach the upper ball joint and manipulate the suspension by hand. A lot of dirty work but you could probably source the problem.

But before doing all that.. check to make sure the upper control arm is tight (behind air box and under coolant overflow) also you might turn to right lock in the drive way and use a floor jack to raise and quickly lower your car to narrow down the source of the noise closer.
Yeah, if anything, the ball joint, but it passed the "shake the wheel" test and the fact I replaced them last year. Sure, things can prematurely fail, but I've never had that happen before on a Benz.

And yeah, a lot of dirty work to diagnose. Might as well have the dealer do it; at least I get a free car wash out of it.
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Old May 20, 2013 | 10:20 PM
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I know you said you did your LCA bushings, but I'm pretty sure that's what it is....

If they weren't installed right (tightened while up on jacks, where its easier) they'll have flogged out in no time
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Old May 20, 2013 | 11:05 PM
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I know you said you did your LCA bushings, but I'm pretty sure that's what it is....

If they weren't installed right (tightened while up on jacks, where its easier) they'll have flogged out in no time
Cool call. That could do it too.
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Old May 21, 2013 | 02:37 AM
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i know because i managed to turn my perfectly good set of bushings into mush in about a month.... haha

I'm working on a set of adjustable bushings that ill be testing soon
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Originally Posted by dearlove
I know you said you did your LCA bushings, but I'm pretty sure that's what it is....

If they weren't installed right (tightened while up on jacks, where its easier) they'll have flogged out in no time
All suspension parts should be torqued finally when the wheels and chassis is on the ground and weight on the components....
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It's your sway bar bushings, just the ones on each end. I have a 1998 c280 sport had the same thing, replaced mine and fixed the problem
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