430 to 55 engine swap
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430 to 55 engine swap
I posted this over in the W210 forum and got a response to ask in here, looking for info on the capabilities of the 430 ECU adapting to the largee engine or the ability to reprogram or flash to accommodate the E55 engine..
I have a 00 E430 and 01 E55 the 55 is rusted very very bad, i've been toying with the idea of doing an engine swap, then found out the 430 is ME2.0 the 55 is ME2.8, I got some info from members here about swapping all wiring or converting the harness and all the other bits, I am still considering making this a winter project and stripping the cars completely, below is another brain fart or brain storm I came up with,
is it possible to swap the e55 engine and have the 430 ECU flashed, re-programmed or tuned for the larger displacement motor, the suspension, brakes and exhaust are easy, the 430 is a sport and I already have an E55 rear bumper, I am not concerned about AMG logos or a true amg car and certainly not planning or doing any AMG badges, at this point just looking to do an ol-skool hot rod tactic, bigger motor, better stopping, better handling = more fun for Dad's daily commute.
So my Question to the GURUs is this possible??
I have a 00 E430 and 01 E55 the 55 is rusted very very bad, i've been toying with the idea of doing an engine swap, then found out the 430 is ME2.0 the 55 is ME2.8, I got some info from members here about swapping all wiring or converting the harness and all the other bits, I am still considering making this a winter project and stripping the cars completely, below is another brain fart or brain storm I came up with,
is it possible to swap the e55 engine and have the 430 ECU flashed, re-programmed or tuned for the larger displacement motor, the suspension, brakes and exhaust are easy, the 430 is a sport and I already have an E55 rear bumper, I am not concerned about AMG logos or a true amg car and certainly not planning or doing any AMG badges, at this point just looking to do an ol-skool hot rod tactic, bigger motor, better stopping, better handling = more fun for Dad's daily commute.
So my Question to the GURUs is this possible??
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Check out the sticky post at the top of this forum for more information than you could ever need about this swap. I believe you would want the mechanical bits from the 55 but would want to keep your harness and injectors from the 430 to run without a reflash. I just have no idea which injectors you would have and if they would flow enough for the 55. I'm sure more knowledgeable people will chime in soon.
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Thanks for the info thus far, my car is a W210 E430 just mentioning this in hopes there is no presumtion I am speaking of a C43, so please forgive my ignorance, MB is new to me although I am a german gearhead my experience is with BMW, Audi and VW, i'm still learning MB electronics the mechanicals are no different an engine is an engine.. anyway my assumption at this point after reading a few pages and PDF's on the swap and ancillary devices, is ( I am safe to swap complete engine minus the TB, use the 430 TB for ECU recognition (again assuming my injectors are Green) the ecu should be able to map the additional displacement within a few sensor cycles of driving, once it realizes the car is leaning out.. assumption correct or no ??
I will check both TBs to see if they share exact part numbers, I have already swapped a few sensors over so the cars aren't that much dissimilar in terms of mehcanical control, just don't want to do this work to barely gain a few ponies if I can't get the full pleasure of the 55 engine it's not worth the effort and I might as well stick to the original plan of a complete teardown and build up, I plan on doing a DYNO run before the first bolt is turned so I have a base line.
I will check both TBs to see if they share exact part numbers, I have already swapped a few sensors over so the cars aren't that much dissimilar in terms of mehcanical control, just don't want to do this work to barely gain a few ponies if I can't get the full pleasure of the 55 engine it's not worth the effort and I might as well stick to the original plan of a complete teardown and build up, I plan on doing a DYNO run before the first bolt is turned so I have a base line.
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Might contact kaype from this thread
https://mbworld.org/forums/w210-amg/...ther-mods.html
He swapped a NA 55 engine into his E430 wagon and eventually removed it and upgraded to a 55K engine.
https://mbworld.org/forums/w210-amg/...ther-mods.html
He swapped a NA 55 engine into his E430 wagon and eventually removed it and upgraded to a 55K engine.
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All V8 M113's sharing the same throttle body,
Swapping W210 E55 to E430 is differ than W202, cause C43 uses the same injectors & cams with any early 5.4l,
which means; C43 got the same timing file with 5.4l, and ECU will easily self-adapt with 5.4l,
but W210 E430 got a differ timing during to the differ cams & injectors, that's why ECU will not adapt or accommodate with 5.4l,
while you have ME2.0, you have to make sure your injectors are green(217cc) or beige(283cc),,
then should to re-file the ECU, to match with injector cc & a new timing of 5.4l..!
ZAYED,,
Swapping W210 E55 to E430 is differ than W202, cause C43 uses the same injectors & cams with any early 5.4l,
which means; C43 got the same timing file with 5.4l, and ECU will easily self-adapt with 5.4l,
but W210 E430 got a differ timing during to the differ cams & injectors, that's why ECU will not adapt or accommodate with 5.4l,
while you have ME2.0, you have to make sure your injectors are green(217cc) or beige(283cc),,
then should to re-file the ECU, to match with injector cc & a new timing of 5.4l..!
ZAYED,,
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All V8 M113's sharing the same throttle body,
Swapping W210 E55 to E430 is differ than W202, cause C43 uses the same injectors & cams with any early 5.4l,
which means; C43 got the same timing file with 5.4l, and ECU will easily self-adapt with 5.4l,
but W210 E430 got a differ timing during to the differ cams & injectors, that's why ECU will not adapt or accommodate with 5.4l,
while you have ME2.0, you have to make sure your injectors are green(217cc) or beige(283cc),,
then should to re-file the ECU, to match with injector cc & a new timing of 5.4l..!
ZAYED,,
Swapping W210 E55 to E430 is differ than W202, cause C43 uses the same injectors & cams with any early 5.4l,
which means; C43 got the same timing file with 5.4l, and ECU will easily self-adapt with 5.4l,
but W210 E430 got a differ timing during to the differ cams & injectors, that's why ECU will not adapt or accommodate with 5.4l,
while you have ME2.0, you have to make sure your injectors are green(217cc) or beige(283cc),,
then should to re-file the ECU, to match with injector cc & a new timing of 5.4l..!
ZAYED,,
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Sick430,,,
You are a lifesaver although I was willing to tear into my car completely, the thought of being able to have every panel back in place without rattling was my biggest concern, I have been doing some homework on tuning facilities on the east coast or within reasonable driving distance.
Found GMP Performance, for a small chunk of change they can custom tune the 430 ECU to the E55 file which as explained to me is not a stock tune but alittle more than stock, so I am beyond excited, I see a heart transplant happening over the christmas holiday... speaking with the folks there, they were both knowledagble and patient with my questions, didn't try to sell me anything or make any claims about their facility I like that, I guess living in New York city for over 30years I always have that guard up.
You are a lifesaver although I was willing to tear into my car completely, the thought of being able to have every panel back in place without rattling was my biggest concern, I have been doing some homework on tuning facilities on the east coast or within reasonable driving distance.
Found GMP Performance, for a small chunk of change they can custom tune the 430 ECU to the E55 file which as explained to me is not a stock tune but alittle more than stock, so I am beyond excited, I see a heart transplant happening over the christmas holiday... speaking with the folks there, they were both knowledagble and patient with my questions, didn't try to sell me anything or make any claims about their facility I like that, I guess living in New York city for over 30years I always have that guard up.
Last edited by blessediam; Dec 18, 2015 at 03:24 PM. Reason: added info
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Sick430,,,
You are a lifesaver although I was willing to tear into my car completely, the thought of being able to have every panel back in place without rattling was my biggest concern, I have been doing some homework on tuning facilities on the east coast or within reasonable driving distance.
Found GMP Performance, for a small chunk of change they can custom tune the 430 ECU to the E55 file which as explained to me is not a stock tune but alittle more than stock, so I am beyond excited, I see a heart transplant happening over the christmas holiday... speaking with the folks there, they were both knowledagble and patient with my questions, didn't try to sell me anything or make any claims about their facility I like that, I guess living in New York city for over 30years I always have that guard up.
You are a lifesaver although I was willing to tear into my car completely, the thought of being able to have every panel back in place without rattling was my biggest concern, I have been doing some homework on tuning facilities on the east coast or within reasonable driving distance.
Found GMP Performance, for a small chunk of change they can custom tune the 430 ECU to the E55 file which as explained to me is not a stock tune but alittle more than stock, so I am beyond excited, I see a heart transplant happening over the christmas holiday... speaking with the folks there, they were both knowledagble and patient with my questions, didn't try to sell me anything or make any claims about their facility I like that, I guess living in New York city for over 30years I always have that guard up.
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Sick430,,,
You are a lifesaver although I was willing to tear into my car completely, the thought of being able to have every panel back in place without rattling was my biggest concern, I have been doing some homework on tuning facilities on the east coast or within reasonable driving distance.
Found GMP Performance, for a small chunk of change they can custom tune the 430 ECU to the E55 file which as explained to me is not a stock tune but alittle more than stock, so I am beyond excited, I see a heart transplant happening over the christmas holiday... speaking with the folks there, they were both knowledagble and patient with my questions, didn't try to sell me anything or make any claims about their facility I like that, I guess living in New York city for over 30years I always have that guard up.
You are a lifesaver although I was willing to tear into my car completely, the thought of being able to have every panel back in place without rattling was my biggest concern, I have been doing some homework on tuning facilities on the east coast or within reasonable driving distance.
Found GMP Performance, for a small chunk of change they can custom tune the 430 ECU to the E55 file which as explained to me is not a stock tune but alittle more than stock, so I am beyond excited, I see a heart transplant happening over the christmas holiday... speaking with the folks there, they were both knowledagble and patient with my questions, didn't try to sell me anything or make any claims about their facility I like that, I guess living in New York city for over 30years I always have that guard up.
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Thanks for the info guys. I have a C43 and an E430. I want to do the 55 swap in the 43 and eventually put the 43 motor into the E430. All of this is pending finding a good motor. Do you guys suggest just trying to find one on Fleabay or are there any good sources for these motors in particular? Thanks in advance for any help.
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Thanks for the info guys. I have a C43 and an E430. I want to do the 55 swap in the 43 and eventually put the 43 motor into the E430. All of this is pending finding a good motor. Do you guys suggest just trying to find one on Fleabay or are there any good sources for these motors in particular? Thanks in advance for any help.
You know, I think the AMG 43 motor is identical to an E430 motor in every way except the heads, cams, and valves.
My point being, you might be able to just swap the 43 heads onto your E430 motor for the same results without having to do an entire engine swap. 43 was just more aggressive cams and timing. Sure, it's hand-assembled and every piece is balanced, but I'm sure the difference is minimal with your 430. MB makes great, great engines.
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Thanks Sulaco. Yeah all i need is the 55 motor. Since the 43 motor has about 60k less miles than my E430 i think i would just do a straight swap. No need to pull apart a good motor. But i was still wondering if there was a reputable place for me to source a good low mile 55 motor or should i just try to ebay it? Thanks again.
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You'll have to start digging with salvage yards around you. You're in CA so I'm sure there are a lot more. I live in TN and found a few by calling pull apart yards in my state.
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I swapped My 5.0 M113 for a 5.4 AMG one.
I used the entire top manifold and throttle body from my car, and everything else from the AMG block.
The injectors need to be replaced, and you can use t an adapter if they don't link up.
Oil pan from existing car is okay
I swapped My 5.0 M113 for a 5.4 AMG one.
I used the entire top manifold and throttle body from my car, and everything else from the AMG block.
The injectors need to be replaced, and you can use t an adapter if they don't link up.
Oil pan from existing car is okay
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Ml55 to ml500 engine swap or just heads / camshafts
All V8 M113's sharing the same throttle body,
Swapping W210 E55 to E430 is differ than W202, cause C43 uses the same injectors & cams with any early 5.4l,
which means; C43 got the same timing file with 5.4l, and ECU will easily self-adapt with 5.4l,
but W210 E430 got a differ timing during to the differ cams & injectors, that's why ECU will not adapt or accommodate with 5.4l,
while you have ME2.0, you have to make sure your injectors are green(217cc) or beige(283cc),,
then should to re-file the ECU, to match with injector cc & a new timing of 5.4l..!
ZAYED,,
Swapping W210 E55 to E430 is differ than W202, cause C43 uses the same injectors & cams with any early 5.4l,
which means; C43 got the same timing file with 5.4l, and ECU will easily self-adapt with 5.4l,
but W210 E430 got a differ timing during to the differ cams & injectors, that's why ECU will not adapt or accommodate with 5.4l,
while you have ME2.0, you have to make sure your injectors are green(217cc) or beige(283cc),,
then should to re-file the ECU, to match with injector cc & a new timing of 5.4l..!
ZAYED,,
