mickey13

Never ran across this one before. What models were fitted with the EVO engines? Is there a badge designation for models fitted with EVO engines?

http://www.mobilverzeichnis.de/merce...orenuebersicht

Motor-BM Verkaufs-bezeichnung Motor Benennung BR
112.960 M112 E32 ML V6-Ottomotor M112 E32 ML 170
112.961 M112 E32 ML V6-Ottomotor M112 E32 ML 203
112.962 M112 E32 ML V6-Ottomotor M112 E32 ML 193

113.980 M113 E55 V8-Ottomotor M113 E55 210
113.981 M113 E55 V8-Ottomotor M113 E55 163
113.982 M113 E55 V8-Ottomotor M113 E55 463
113.983 M113 E55 V8-Ottomotor M113 E55 202
113.984 M113 E55 V8-Ottomotor M113 E55 208
113.985 M113 E55 V8-Ottomotor M113 E55 129
113.986 M113 E55 V8-Ottomotor M113 E55 215
113.986 M113 E55 V8-Ottomotor M113 E55 220
113.987 M113 E55 V8-Ottomotor M113 E55 evo 209
113.988 M113 E55 V8-Ottomotor M113 E55 evo 203
113.988 M113 E55 V8-Ottomotor M113 E55 evo 209
113.989 M113 E55 V8-Ottomotor M113 E55 evo 171
113.990 M113 E55 ML V8-Ottomotor M113 E55 ML 211
113.991 M113 E55 ML V8-Ottomotor M113 E55 ML 220
113.991 M113 E55 ML V8-Ottomotor M113 E55 ML 215
113.992 M113 E55 ML V8-Ottomotor M113 E55 ML 230
113.993 M113 E55 ML V8-Ottomotor M113 E55 ML 463
113.994 M113 E55 ML V8-Ottomotor M113 E55 ML 209
113.995 M113 E55 ML V8-Ottomotor M113 E55 ML evo 230

137.980 M137 E63 V12-Ottomotor M137 E63 215
137.980 M137 E63 V12-Ottomotor M137 E63 220

155.980 M155 E55 V8-Ottomotor M155 E55 199

156.980 M156 E63 V8-Ottomotor M156 E63 251
156.980 M156 E63 V8-Ottomotor M156 E63 164
156.981 M156 E63 V8-Ottomotor M156 E63 230
156.982 M156 E63 V8-Ottomotor M156 E63 209
156.983 M156 E63 V8-Ottomotor M156 E63 211
156.983 M156 E63 V8-Ottomotor M156 E63 219
156.984 M156 E63 V8-Ottomotor M156 E63 216
156.984 M156 E63 V8-Ottomotor M156 E63 221

275.980 M275 E60 V12-Ottomotor M275 E60 LA 215
275.980 M275 E60 V12-Ottomotor M275 E60 LA 220
275.981 M275 E60 V12-Ottomotor M275 E60 LA 230
275.982 M275 E60 V12-Ottomotor M275 E60 LA 216
275.982 M275 E60 V12-Ottomotor M275 E60 LA 221

285.980 M275 E60 V12-Ottomotor M285 E60 LA 240

612.990 OM612DE30LA R5-Dieselmotor 203

mickey13

http://www.emercedesbenz.com/Jun06/0...rt_Emerge.html

DRBC43AMG

Never heard of this model but interesting to know if it really was production. The engine could be with different cams and defo an ECU update... IMO

mickey13

Apparently the "EVO" engine produces 400+ HP and it came in different chassis including W202. From this guy "Otfried " who I think might work at AMG. Maybe we can buy special heads and cams straight from MB that will bump up power on the M113????

translated with google:

Julian-JES: Hi,just read in AMGOCD that there an a W202 with the m113 e55 evo motor drives, so the 292 KW. Now I wonder, of course, why has the CLK 55 AMG no 292 KW? He also has the EVO engine? And for the exhaust system is in the W202 but also no more space as in the W209?

Cessna340: The W 202 had as C 55 AMG my information after a maximum of 264 kW = 360 hp. Probably a chip-getunter (how can the AMG engine only do so ...)

Julian-JES: Nö no chip tuning! According to Otfried, the CL 55 AMG F1 Limited Edition also has 292 KW but was only given at 360 hp at that time. Whether the PR was a mistake I do not know. The m113 E 55 has 347 hp in the C208, 354 hp in the W210 and the W220 360 hp. And the m113 E55 EVO is still further developed and produces 292 KW so well 400 horsepower. Otfried can certainly tell us why the C209 the yes to my knowledge with the m113 E 55 Evo delivered "only" 367 hp instead of 400.

Otfried: Hi Julian, if I the last "comments" here so read I would now write: "XY not point communication", but to such a level, we want to condescend not yes. The vehicle described by you is a car with special exhaust system and an M 113, which after the conversion from the W 202.033 of AMG with 292 KW was registered. In V 220 173 this engine then provides 294 Kw, through the "long" exhaust system. This vehicle was also in the factory. The W 209 376 an exhaust system is used, which emits a "civilian" exhaust sound. On the cars with 292 - 294 Kw you can hear it under full load under the floor "wummern", the car is clearly louder inside. "Chiptuning" has nothing to do but with classic engine processing. The EVO engines have different camshafts, valve springs with a higher spring progression {harder motor run} and modified exhaust system.


http://www.db-forum.de/forum/amg-clk-slk/2778-clk-55-amg-mit-m113-e55-evo.html

mickey13

OK. Looks like multiple sources confirm the existence of the SLK55 Tracksport along with the M113 E55 EVO engine. I'm guessing parts have to be available if you have the VIN.

http://www.diseno-art.com/encyclopedia/vehicles/road/cars/mercedes_slk_55_amg_tracksport.html

Conclusion: OK. Going to take a guess here. This car is the SLK AMG Black (390 hp) with straight exhaust making it 400 hp. So now I'm guessing the heads and cams out of the Black Series bump the HP on the M113 about 30 HP.

Sulaco

Sounds to me like even without cams there's power to be found in real exhaust work

DRBC43AMG

Well looks like these "special" editions are off-springs of the SLK55 AMG Black series. This one had the 400hp engine.

SLK 55 AMG Black Series (2006-2008)

It is a version with engine rated 400 PS (290 kW; 390 hp) and 520 N·m (380 lb·ft), restyled AMG front apron with large air intakes, additional transmission oil cooler and the high-performance steering gear oil cooler, aluminium front strut brace, new carbon fiber side air outlets, wider carbon fibre reinforced plastic (CFRP) front fenders, CFRP non-retractable hardtop, 19-inch light alloy wheels with 235/35ZR19 front and 265/30ZR19 rear tires (optional sport tires are available without extra charge), black pearl velour AMG sport bucket seats without side airbags, CF trunk spoiler, carbon fibre door panel lining and trim parts. The vehicle has curb weight of 1,495 kg (3,296 lb), 45 kg (99 lb) lighter than the basic vehicle. Engine performance increase comes largely from the long tube headers and a revised ECU.
The vehicle went on sale in Germany beginning in July 2006 with MSRP of €107,300 (incl. 16% VAT).[

Some more info taken from an official Mercedes AMG press release if I understand correctly. It gives some details of what is done to the M113 to achieve this power level:

AMG 5.5-litre V8 engine with 294 kW/400 hp and 520 Nm of torque

Engineers not only optimised the weight but also gave the Black Series an optimised AMG 5.5-litre V8 engine with a maximum output of 294 kW/400 hp and 520 Nm of torque. A modified air intake, reduced-resistance AMG sports air filters, new high-performance headers and a new valve-timing scheme ensure a more efficient charge cycle and make the eight-cylinder unit even more responsive to accelerator pedal movements - which is also evident from the inimitable and even more impressive AMG V8 sound.

The combination of low vehicle weight and a powerful AMG eight-cylinder engine ensures first-class performance. This SLK 55 AMG accelerates from zero to 100 km/h in only 4.5 seconds (standard model: 4.9 s), and it takes just 15.5 seconds for the Black Series to reach 200 km/h (standard vehicle: 17.5 s). Power transmission is accomplished using the AMG SPEEDSHIFT 7G-TRONIC with manual drive program ("M") and AMG aluminium gearshift paddles on the steering wheel.

mickey13

sulco might just be right. https://mbworld.org/forums/slk55-r17...p-package.html

i cant find any part numbers for slk black cars.

Ausmbtech

There are 2 types of M113 EVO engines. The N/A EVO engine is the change from ME2.0 engine management to ME2.8. As part of this change the throttle body size increased, cam profiles changed, double valve springs were introduced, map sensor was added and compression was increased from 10.5:1 to 11:1 as well as a higher rev limit. The power increase on paper was minimal but the power band was greatly widened from early 55 variants (first W210 E55's had massive torque at low rpm (540Nm) but started to fall flat after 5k rpm, W203 E55 had slightly less peak torque (510Nm) but it had nearly 90% of this torque through nearly the entire rev range. This change was done on the chassis change for most vehicles (eg W208 had M113 and W209 had M113 EVO).

The M113K also had an evo version, from memory this was only fitted to the R230 chassis and gave a power bump from 354kw/700Nm to 375kw/720Nm. Although some other variants were "rerated" during their time, this is the only M113K engine considered an EVO version.

The SLK55 Black series was a further development of the M113EVO but it was only used for this model as a low volume/non-assembly line package. Most of the gains were from use of long tube exhaust headers, optimised intake and cam profiles that were more biased towards HP rather than low rpm torque. AMG haven't released any specific details of the changes but rather just refer to the changes as "optimised".

DRBC43AMG

Thanks Ausmbtech. The Guru speaks...

mickey13

engine i just bought is not an EVO. just cross referenced the VIN to the engine model and the EVO chart.

it hasnt been delivered yet, but it only has 76k miles. so i'm going to hang on to it if it passes my inspection, but i have the w210 e55 engine all dismantled ready for assembly and i'll probably put up for sale now (whole or in parts) any takers?

PJmak

So you are saying that in real world the cars with those engines(which are w203 c55s and w209 clks) are significantly faster?

mickey13

i don't believe stiffer springs and redesigned cams alone would make a "significant" difference. if you read closely what ausmbtech wrote, he says the powerband shifted. i would love to see the powerband charts to have a clear understanding, but I'm guessing that the evo engine loses some of its low band torque in exchange for a more linear acceleration that extends higher in rpm than the 113. but i would also guess that they didnt pull the extra power from the springs and cams. so both the 113 and evo are essentially the same engine, with the same displacement, we know the 113 has untapped power. the theoretical physics of an engine operating at it's full potential require a loss for a gain. so i believe the additional power in the evo isn't from the cams but probably from the intake and exhaust set up. new models most likely had redesigned intake and exhaust.

when i think of cams, i dont think cams add power instead i think cams manage power. so the evo is the 113, you can get the same power out of both engines but the evo manages the power in a different way. in turn the ecu needs to be mapped to the engine compression profile.




Model: 2002 Mercedes-Benz CLK-Class
Horsepower: 342 hp
MPG: Up to 17 city / 24 highway
Engine: 5.4 L V8
Curb weight: 3,485 to 3,845 lbs
Dimensions: 180″ L x 68″ W x 54″ H
Torque: 376 lb-ft

Model: 2003 Mercedes-Benz CLK-Class
Horsepower: 362 hp
MPG: 17 city / 24 highway
Engine: 5.4 L V8
Curb weight: 3,635 lbs
Dimensions: 183″ L x 69″ W x 55″ H
Torque: 376 lb-ft

gofisch

+1

PJmak

Ive seen a cou0le of videos of w202 5.4 swapped take on and oull away from w203 c55s

DRBC43AMG

Weight difference between 202 and 203. The 203 is over 100 kg heavier...

cm60k

Good catch Daniel..

;ZAYED;

ProjectC55

I left for dead a w209 clk55 in the mile. My car weighs 3260 lbs without me sitting in it. But the newer cars do run better in the 1/4 mile and I think that is due to the better transmission and not the engine. Also the higher rev limiter. After the 1/4 mile it's game over with the lighter w208 clk55 or 5.4l w202 c43 coming out on top.

cm60k

^Good point^..,

I could be wrong;

i think, in mechanically side; gearbox are the same,

but newer cars have better ECU timing map, with better TCU/EGS52 software compared to C43 EGS51,,

also "C55/Clk55/Slk55" got bigger & reliable pumpkin with "3.06",,

it's more suitable with traction, and more compatible to the mass weight of gearbox/diff. housing/driveshaft/axles..

;ZAYED;

ProjectC55

Not sure what year Zayed but when did the 7 speed tranny come out is that only

with the newer Dohc 5.5l cars non AMG? That's the tranny I thought the 04+w203 W209 and Slk55

were equipped with ? I know the 55k cars and Ttv12s all retained the 5speed trannies. And I think I

may have heard an upgrade for our car would be to use the pumpkin from the SLK32

cm60k

Your Right Bro.,

All "1998-2006" M113's, comes with 5-speed, including "55k's",

"R171 Slk55" is the only model that comes with 7-speed,,

7-speed in non AMG's, started from "09/2003"..

;ZAYED;

PJmak

MAn with 325 whp and that much weight shed off......this must be your face every time you get near the throttle ><

ProjectC55

that's with no spare tire , no jack and custom exhaust on the car. Your car will,be the same once you get rid of the heavy *** Oem exhaust and get software done. Also remember every Dyno is different I had one that said as low as 307whp as well.

The clear advantage of these C43s with that 5.5l motor is the power to weight advantage. I know you guys know that. But these newer cars with their new technology and their lower displacement V8s Ford In particular have really made some serious leaps with that mustang GT. I would still be up for the challenge but would not be surprised if it pulled. Rumor is the hp numbers on the mustang GT and the new 2k16 Camaro SS are underrated.

KJI3jflarryfe93

did you do a software 55 re-flash to your engine swap?