C450 is getting changed to C43
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"Robotic surgery" is vastly different than a robot performing surgery. In robotic surgery there is a surgeon at the helm, controlling every aspect. The robotics used are merely a tool, guided by the surgeon. Parallels the AMG "Engineer" and his tools. Pre-programmed "cookie cutter" surgery it is not. Your "handmade" shoes are, no doubt, hand assembled. How about Birkin bags, hand stitched. Takes forever, machines could do it faster, but not better.
The machine will assemble the engine using parts indiscriminately, as long as it is within the assembly tolerances, no change in it's task, regardless of variances in machined tolerances. A hand assembled engine is quite different. The "engineer" has his hands and eyes on each piece, with discretion to "a little more/a little less" (within assembly tolerances), or replace an undesirable part altogether. This level of craftsmanship and attention to detail cannot be achieved by a machine. Fact.
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"Robotic surgery" is vastly different than a robot performing surgery. In robotic surgery there is a surgeon at the helm, controlling every aspect. The robotics used are merely a tool, guided by the surgeon. Parallels the AMG "Engineer" and his tools. Pre-programmed "cookie cutter" surgery it is not. Your "handmade" shoes are, no doubt, hand assembled. How about Birkin bags, hand stitched. Takes forever, machines could do it faster, but not better.
The machine will assemble the engine using parts indiscriminately, as long as it is within the assembly tolerances, no change in it's task, regardless of variances in machined tolerances. A hand assembled engine is quite different. The "engineer" has his hands and eyes on each piece, with discretion to "a little more/a little less" (within assembly tolerances), or replace an undesirable part altogether. This level of craftsmanship and attention to detail cannot be achieved by a machine. Fact.
The machine will assemble the engine using parts indiscriminately, as long as it is within the assembly tolerances, no change in it's task, regardless of variances in machined tolerances. A hand assembled engine is quite different. The "engineer" has his hands and eyes on each piece, with discretion to "a little more/a little less" (within assembly tolerances), or replace an undesirable part altogether. This level of craftsmanship and attention to detail cannot be achieved by a machine. Fact.
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Models are separated by Chassis code and AMG chassis codes.
C43 AMG is a W205 AMG, it should be part of this sub-forum.
As you said
Looks to me that the C43 is sporting AMG parts from "Actual" AMGs...
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In my case it wouldn't matter cause I'm getting the wife a W205 C43 and my self a C205 C63 S along with couple other AMGs.
All de-badged of course
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I know it's a little off topic but I agree, there should be separate sub forums for each AMG C Class variant here.
It is done so for the A Class AMG's there is a separate A45, CLA45 & GLA45 section so why not for all other AMG models
There are also separate forum sections for most if not all non AMG models and their respective variants.
It makes it a whole lot easier for people to then go directly to a particular model and variant of choice or interest rather than trying to find info and discussion threads all mixed up with multiple types.
The mods should get onto this
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I am shocked at the response here. AMG is a sub-brand to me (part of mercedes), they are simply expanding their offering. This is not about classes, or social status.
A true car enthusiast can love all cars, big or small, powerful or weak. Not judging based on ego of what you can or can't afford. Mind you, there's always bigger and badder cars out there than what AMG can offer.
Everyone that is into cars or that cares will know the difference between a 63/65 vs a 43/45. People that don't know probably don't care that your AMG is more special than the other AMG.
FWIW, I own a C63s, and is will switch to a full electric in a heartbeat if one is of my taste. I appreciate all cars, but still have personal preference.
Now, on service, perks, or anything directly affecting AMG relationship to me, that may change. Since they will have a lot more customers? But thus far, I can only see the driving academy may be different, otherwise, its not a special club or something that affects directly to any of us as far as I can tell.
A true car enthusiast can love all cars, big or small, powerful or weak. Not judging based on ego of what you can or can't afford. Mind you, there's always bigger and badder cars out there than what AMG can offer.
Everyone that is into cars or that cares will know the difference between a 63/65 vs a 43/45. People that don't know probably don't care that your AMG is more special than the other AMG.
FWIW, I own a C63s, and is will switch to a full electric in a heartbeat if one is of my taste. I appreciate all cars, but still have personal preference.
Now, on service, perks, or anything directly affecting AMG relationship to me, that may change. Since they will have a lot more customers? But thus far, I can only see the driving academy may be different, otherwise, its not a special club or something that affects directly to any of us as far as I can tell.
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I am shocked at the response here. AMG is a sub-brand to me (part of mercedes), they are simply expanding their offering. This is not about classes, or social status.
A true car enthusiast can love all cars, big or small, powerful or weak. Not judging based on ego of what you can or can't afford. Mind you, there's always bigger and badder cars out there than what AMG can offer.
Everyone that is into cars or that cares will know the difference between a 63/65 vs a 43/45. People that don't know probably don't care that your AMG is more special than the other AMG.
FWIW, I own a C63s, and is will switch to a full electric in a heartbeat if one is of my taste. I appreciate all cars, but still have personal preference.
Now, on service, perks, or anything directly affecting AMG relationship to me, that may change. Since they will have a lot more customers? But thus far, I can only see the driving academy may be different, otherwise, its not a special club or something that affects directly to any of us as far as I can tell.
A true car enthusiast can love all cars, big or small, powerful or weak. Not judging based on ego of what you can or can't afford. Mind you, there's always bigger and badder cars out there than what AMG can offer.
Everyone that is into cars or that cares will know the difference between a 63/65 vs a 43/45. People that don't know probably don't care that your AMG is more special than the other AMG.
FWIW, I own a C63s, and is will switch to a full electric in a heartbeat if one is of my taste. I appreciate all cars, but still have personal preference.
Now, on service, perks, or anything directly affecting AMG relationship to me, that may change. Since they will have a lot more customers? But thus far, I can only see the driving academy may be different, otherwise, its not a special club or something that affects directly to any of us as far as I can tell.
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Now, on service, perks, or anything directly affecting AMG relationship to me, that may change. Since they will have a lot more customers? But thus far, I can only see the driving academy may be different, otherwise, its not a special club or something that affects directly to any of us as far as I can tell.
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Umm, I'm pretty sure they are getting access to PL. They didn't when the model was C450, but now that the C43/E43/GLE43/SLC43 are considered full fledged "Mercedes-AMG" models, they will get access to PL.
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Who is exactly considering 43's as full fledged AMG models? 43 = AMG Sport
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I'm not 100% sure on this, but I'm pretty sure I read that C43's are being restricted on the PL or not being granted access to the PL at all. AMG already made the call that C450's were considered full AMG's back in 2015 and weren't given access and the C43 is just the C450 renamed essentially. This was a major topic of discussion there and the final ruling for C450 was no access for now. One C450 got through which caused a **** storm and the admins had to step in cut off access.
Of course this could always change in the future similar to the "One man, one engine" motto for AMG no longer being true.
Of course this could always change in the future similar to the "One man, one engine" motto for AMG no longer being true.
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Mercedes-AMG considers them full fledged AMG models.
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Well they did say already that no ADA credit for the 43 purchases. That right there is already treating the 43's as less than full AMG's since all of the other models 45 and up do get the credit.
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Before the CLA45/A45 came out, there were people saying, "WTF? An AMG car with a turbocharged 4-cylinder?"
I didn't buy an AMG just because the motor was assembled by one technician. I wanted a car with better steering, bigger/more powerful brakes, and a proper suspension (among other things).
Although the C43 doesn't tick the hand-assembled motor box, AMG has its fingerprint all over this car now, which sits a heck of a lot better with me than a car with just a tune and some cheesy badges on the fender.
Is the "one man, one engine" philosophy a cool conversation piece with enthusiasts? Sure.
For those that hinge their purchase on the "one man, one engine" marketing pitch, there are plenty of AMGs that fill the bill.
Just my opinion, and no one is changing it.
I didn't buy an AMG just because the motor was assembled by one technician. I wanted a car with better steering, bigger/more powerful brakes, and a proper suspension (among other things).
Although the C43 doesn't tick the hand-assembled motor box, AMG has its fingerprint all over this car now, which sits a heck of a lot better with me than a car with just a tune and some cheesy badges on the fender.
Is the "one man, one engine" philosophy a cool conversation piece with enthusiasts? Sure.
For those that hinge their purchase on the "one man, one engine" marketing pitch, there are plenty of AMGs that fill the bill.
Just my opinion, and no one is changing it.
This is something I wish BMW had done. I have owned many different BMW's and a couple M cars, but BMW doesn't really have anything 'special' for those special clients. People who drive M's and AMG's aren't your average people.
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Times are changing in the automobile industry, folks. Die hard BMW enthusiasts were up in arms when the M division decided to put a twin turbo engine that wasn't bespoke in the M3/M4 because it wasn't in the M DNA. Then, they started bringing out M235i's and X4 M40i's, further watering down the brand, and the M division never really touched the car!
Mercedes took a different approach and wants to keep the AMG badge 'up-market'. People have to justify the cost of paying 50,000 plus for a car, and the AMG badge does half the marketing. At least AMG has tuned the AWD system and the engine and suspension unlike the M Performance counterparts.
I applaud Mercedes for not milking the AMG Badge. You have to understand that the one man one engine also comes at a cost, a cost which would put this vehicle out of it's target market.
Mercedes took a different approach and wants to keep the AMG badge 'up-market'. People have to justify the cost of paying 50,000 plus for a car, and the AMG badge does half the marketing. At least AMG has tuned the AWD system and the engine and suspension unlike the M Performance counterparts.
I applaud Mercedes for not milking the AMG Badge. You have to understand that the one man one engine also comes at a cost, a cost which would put this vehicle out of it's target market.
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Surprised PL access is still being debated for the 43s.
This was announced several months back in PL:
This was announced several months back in PL:
Dear AMG Private Lounge members,
Tomorrow marks the beginning of a new chapter for Mercedes-AMG with the upcoming introduction of the Mercedes-AMG SLC 43. The Mercedes-AMG SLC 43 provides a level of driving performance that exceeds the specifications of the Mercedes-AMG SLK 55 that it replaces in every way.
Before this introduction, we wanted to take a moment and give the AMG Private Lounge some insight into why the Mercedes-AMG SLC 43 is an AMG. It represents the entrance into the roadster world of AMG and delivers the typical AMG DNA to be competitive in this segment. Fully developed in Affalterbach, the Mercedes-AMG SLC 43 provides the AMG typical dynamic handling combined with a highly responsive and efficient engine, an AMG specific suspension, braking system and rear locking differential. The result is a highly agile roadster, even though it does not have an engine built under the “One Man - One Engine” philosophy. As a brand, Mercedes-AMG is more than just the “One Man - One Engine” philosophy. While the philosophy will continue in models like the AMG 45’s, AMG 63’s and AMG 65’s as a differentiator in these segments, it no more defines the AMG brand than any other single facet of an AMG vehicle.
To better explain the Mercedes-AMG brand, one only has to look at our slogan of “Driving Performance” that accompanies the AMG logo in our communications.
Driving Performance is more than a claim, it is our promise to our customers that conceals our attitude and driving force. What originally only sounds like the performance of our products is actually so much more. It’s not only what’s obvious, the power and performance of our vehicles, that offers our customers a unique driving experience. It’s what motivates us to pursue peak performance. This driving force connects us to our customers and many other people around the world who are equally ambitious. It’s the relentless determination to go the extra mile and, at any price, push the boundaries, even if that means breaking through them and questioning the status quo. This driving force is never content with what’s conventional. It breaks rules, not merely for the sake of breaking rules, but to create space for innovation and breakthroughs. AMG does and will always do everything in its power to live up to this standard 200%.
It is with this same focus that the Mercedes-AMG SLC 43 proudly wears the two digit nomenclature and AMG badge on its trunk lid.
The next question that will be asked is if Mercedes-AMG SLC 43 owners will be permitted in the AMG Private Lounge and as it is an AMG, the answer is yes.
While we understand that some of our AMG Private Lounge members will not agree with the decision to introduce the Mercedes-AMG SLC 43 as an AMG model, the design, engineering and development for this vehicle are all AMG and as such, it is an AMG. We think that once you have a chance to get behind the wheel, you will find that the performance of the Mercedes-AMG SLC 43 stands for itself!
Best regards from Affalterbach,
Your AMG Private Lounge Team
Tomorrow marks the beginning of a new chapter for Mercedes-AMG with the upcoming introduction of the Mercedes-AMG SLC 43. The Mercedes-AMG SLC 43 provides a level of driving performance that exceeds the specifications of the Mercedes-AMG SLK 55 that it replaces in every way.
Before this introduction, we wanted to take a moment and give the AMG Private Lounge some insight into why the Mercedes-AMG SLC 43 is an AMG. It represents the entrance into the roadster world of AMG and delivers the typical AMG DNA to be competitive in this segment. Fully developed in Affalterbach, the Mercedes-AMG SLC 43 provides the AMG typical dynamic handling combined with a highly responsive and efficient engine, an AMG specific suspension, braking system and rear locking differential. The result is a highly agile roadster, even though it does not have an engine built under the “One Man - One Engine” philosophy. As a brand, Mercedes-AMG is more than just the “One Man - One Engine” philosophy. While the philosophy will continue in models like the AMG 45’s, AMG 63’s and AMG 65’s as a differentiator in these segments, it no more defines the AMG brand than any other single facet of an AMG vehicle.
To better explain the Mercedes-AMG brand, one only has to look at our slogan of “Driving Performance” that accompanies the AMG logo in our communications.
Driving Performance is more than a claim, it is our promise to our customers that conceals our attitude and driving force. What originally only sounds like the performance of our products is actually so much more. It’s not only what’s obvious, the power and performance of our vehicles, that offers our customers a unique driving experience. It’s what motivates us to pursue peak performance. This driving force connects us to our customers and many other people around the world who are equally ambitious. It’s the relentless determination to go the extra mile and, at any price, push the boundaries, even if that means breaking through them and questioning the status quo. This driving force is never content with what’s conventional. It breaks rules, not merely for the sake of breaking rules, but to create space for innovation and breakthroughs. AMG does and will always do everything in its power to live up to this standard 200%.
It is with this same focus that the Mercedes-AMG SLC 43 proudly wears the two digit nomenclature and AMG badge on its trunk lid.
The next question that will be asked is if Mercedes-AMG SLC 43 owners will be permitted in the AMG Private Lounge and as it is an AMG, the answer is yes.
While we understand that some of our AMG Private Lounge members will not agree with the decision to introduce the Mercedes-AMG SLC 43 as an AMG model, the design, engineering and development for this vehicle are all AMG and as such, it is an AMG. We think that once you have a chance to get behind the wheel, you will find that the performance of the Mercedes-AMG SLC 43 stands for itself!
Best regards from Affalterbach,
Your AMG Private Lounge Team
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I really wouldn't call the S63 the "downmarket" since the S65 is basically the S600 as an AMG while the S63 is an S550 as an AMG and both still adhere to the OMOE philosophy.
