Mercedes Pathetic Ventilated Seats
I see, i guess it was a bit too complicated for the US-users. Excuse me.
I try it again: Your C43 is a C160 with a different Engine and Software and 4-matic. Low-paid fabric workers in South-africa don't care that you'll get an AMG-Badge on your Trunk and build it the same Quality as they do with an 30k $ Sedan.
I try it again: Your C43 is a C160 with a different Engine and Software and 4-matic. Low-paid fabric workers in South-africa don't care that you'll get an AMG-Badge on your Trunk and build it the same Quality as they do with an 30k $ Sedan.
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I see, i guess it was a bit too complicated for the US-users. Excuse me.
I try it again: Your C43 is a C160 with a different Engine and Software and 4-matic. Low-paid fabric workers in South-africa don't care that you'll get an AMG-Badge on your Trunk and build it the same Quality as they do with an 30k $ Sedan.
I try it again: Your C43 is a C160 with a different Engine and Software and 4-matic. Low-paid fabric workers in South-africa don't care that you'll get an AMG-Badge on your Trunk and build it the same Quality as they do with an 30k $ Sedan.
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2019 C43 AMG
Apparently if you’re not American you can’t understand that for the price Mercedes charges for their vehicles and their upgrade packages, they should be able to get something as easy as ventilated seats correct. Vehicles that cost 20k have descent seats ffs.
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Specifically, the sedans are. The coupes and cabriolets are built in Bremen, Germany. For the fact that this fellow is insulting others for not knowing how car's are built, he doesn't seem to understand that the chassis and body are largely welded, bolted and put together by robots. The same robots that put together the E and S bodies and chassis. In fact MB is now building a new assembly line in Sindelfingen where the same line can produce different models, C, E, S classes coming off the same line in the future. Traditionally they used to have dedicated lines for each model, but that resulted in certain lines having to be shut down if a model wasn't selling well. Humans only do final assembly such as installing complete modules such as the dash, interior trims, seats, lights etc., but they don't make any of those as somebody else mentioned. These things get delivered to the line and then installed. Everything including the robot assembly adheres to strict internal quality guidelines. Where you can have difference between the plants is the attention to detail. The line workers are supposed to point out if something doesn't look right, but that requires a critical eye. The Germans are known to be detail oriented and generally see if something is crooked, but not all cultures are as detail oriented. Other differences can result from environmental regulations, for example the paint used in German plants is different from the paint used in US plants. Perhaps a factory tour might be educational for some.
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Specifically, the sedans are. The coupes and cabriolets are built in Bremen, Germany. For the fact that this fellow is insulting others for not knowing how car's are built, he doesn't seem to understand that the chassis and body are largely welded, bolted and put together by robots. The same robots that put together the E and S bodies and chassis. In fact MB is now building a new assembly line in Sindelfingen where the same line can produce different models, C, E, S classes coming off the same line in the future. Traditionally they used to have dedicated lines for each model, but that resulted in certain lines having to be shut down if a model wasn't selling well. Humans only do final assembly such as installing complete modules such as the dash, interior trims, seats, lights etc., but they don't make any of those as somebody else mentioned. These things get delivered to the line and then installed. Everything including the robot assembly adheres to strict internal quality guidelines. Where you can have difference between the plants is the attention to detail. The line workers are supposed to point out if something doesn't look right, but that requires a critical eye. The Germans are known to be detail oriented and generally see if something is crooked, but not all cultures are as detail oriented. Other differences can result from environmental regulations, for example the paint used in German plants is different from the paint used in US plants. Perhaps a factory tour might be educational for some.
My German-made W204 C63 had a fit and finish that was slightly superior, in some respects, to my Alabama-built W205 C43 sedan.
C-Class sedan production will be ending in the U.S. in the fourth quarter of 2020. https://www.autonews.com/sales/no-ro...s-make-c-class
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AGREE! I just drove home in my C43 Cab and activated the "ventilated' seats and ASSUMED they were similar to Infiniti QX60's. The QX blows out snowflakes and the MB just circulates the air? BAD DESIGN and misleading.....
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I suppose it's a matter of perspective, but compared to the Lexus IS350 I just got rid of my '19 C43 coupe ventilated seats seem to work very well actually. I usually start out on the highest setting and often have to turn them down.
The Lexus seats (although the leather was much softer than the C43's) did not cool well at all imo and were pretty much useless. I feel the C43s ventilated seats cooling effect kick in as soon as I turn them on.
That being said I also have the Auto/AC on pretty high as well when I'm using them. If I were to just try to cool my tukas with the seats and without the climate control on high may be a entirely different result.
The Lexus seats (although the leather was much softer than the C43's) did not cool well at all imo and were pretty much useless. I feel the C43s ventilated seats cooling effect kick in as soon as I turn them on.
That being said I also have the Auto/AC on pretty high as well when I'm using them. If I were to just try to cool my tukas with the seats and without the climate control on high may be a entirely different result.
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I see, i guess it was a bit too complicated for the US-users. Excuse me.
I try it again: Your C43 is a C160 with a different Engine and Software and 4-matic. Low-paid fabric workers in South-africa don't care that you'll get an AMG-Badge on your Trunk and build it the same Quality as they do with an 30k $ Sedan.
I try it again: Your C43 is a C160 with a different Engine and Software and 4-matic. Low-paid fabric workers in South-africa don't care that you'll get an AMG-Badge on your Trunk and build it the same Quality as they do with an 30k $ Sedan.
And you might think it is a cheap car, but the entire professional car world see it as a luxury car - even if it is built in South Africa, which you seem to think is a bad thing somehow. Also, everything important apart from the basic chassis and some interior panels are different on the two. Engines, entire drivetrain, suspension, stiffening, fuel tank, exhaust system, brakes, bumpers and spoilers, dash and door panels, seats, standard equipment etc. Some can be ordered for the lower models, but then it isn’t a 30k car anymore, now is it?
Anyway, if the cars are so similar, why did you put all that money in a C43 if you believe a C160 is just as good.
ps.: fabric means the stuff you make clothes from - what you are talking about is a FACTORY.
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They could be better
First of all, I live in Arizona, so this is a pretty useful and important feature. I own a 2019 E450 coupe and a 2020 Mazda CX5. The Mazda has ventilated seats and the fans are way more powerful than the E450 seat fans. On level 3 in the Mazda you can actually feel the air shooting out of the seat all around you. Of course changing to the lower settings you can actually feel a difference in the level of air coming out (crazy). I wouldn't call the E450 ventilated seats useless, but they could be much much more powerful especially for such an upscale model within Mercedes lineup.
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C43 was out since, what, 2016? Ever heard of test driving a car?
I know its an old thread that was bumped. But what is pathetic is that people don't know how to use common sense.
I know its an old thread that was bumped. But what is pathetic is that people don't know how to use common sense.
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First of all, I live in Arizona, so this is a pretty useful and important feature. I own a 2019 E450 coupe and a 2020 Mazda CX5. The Mazda has ventilated seats and the fans are way more powerful than the E450 seat fans. On level 3 in the Mazda you can actually feel the air shooting out of the seat all around you. Of course changing to the lower settings you can actually feel a difference in the level of air coming out (crazy). I wouldn't call the E450 ventilated seats useless, but they could be much much more powerful especially for such an upscale model within Mercedes lineup.
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A 2 year old thread that is still applicable.
I test drove the vehicle and purchased it knowing that the ventilated seats weren't the best on the market. Because someone test drove a vehicle and bought it doesn't mean that people can't speak of aspects of their vehicle that they don't particularly like or think that the manufacturer could have done better. Especially given that there are lesser brands and cheaper vehicles that do this particular "luxury feature" better than a top luxury brand.
I test drove the vehicle and purchased it knowing that the ventilated seats weren't the best on the market. Because someone test drove a vehicle and bought it doesn't mean that people can't speak of aspects of their vehicle that they don't particularly like or think that the manufacturer could have done better. Especially given that there are lesser brands and cheaper vehicles that do this particular "luxury feature" better than a top luxury brand.
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I have just bought a 2019 AMG C43 and found out Mercedes ventilated seats are ridiculous. I have friends with Hyundai's or Jeeps or whatever other car that you just do not feel the fans working as on the Mercedes, it actually cools down the seat.
What happens with Mercedes is that the system only uses the cabin's air temperature through the little fans to ventilated the seat and of course this is not enough. I AM SO DISAPOINTTED. Such a luxurious car without a proper cooled seat. Worth mentioning that one of my top 5 requirements on the car was the ventilated seat and it is a big bummer not having that now.
Other cars manufactures actually have proper conduits to take the cold air to the seats and then the fan will blow a proper already cooled and dedicated air outlet. This thing about just using the cabin's air temperature is not acceptable in such a high standard car.
I wish I new it so I could have picked another manufacturer.
My car has just 650 miles; I have just returned from the dealer to find out that the car does not have a problem, what happens is a poor design comparing to the other cars available in the market.
What happens with Mercedes is that the system only uses the cabin's air temperature through the little fans to ventilated the seat and of course this is not enough. I AM SO DISAPOINTTED. Such a luxurious car without a proper cooled seat. Worth mentioning that one of my top 5 requirements on the car was the ventilated seat and it is a big bummer not having that now.
Other cars manufactures actually have proper conduits to take the cold air to the seats and then the fan will blow a proper already cooled and dedicated air outlet. This thing about just using the cabin's air temperature is not acceptable in such a high standard car.
I wish I new it so I could have picked another manufacturer.
My car has just 650 miles; I have just returned from the dealer to find out that the car does not have a problem, what happens is a poor design comparing to the other cars available in the market.
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MB horrible "vented" seats... waste!!!
M-B has VENTILATED seats, some manufactures offer COOLED seats-- seems pretty clear to me. Had M-B called them cooled seats, the OP would have a very valid point, but they do not . It would seem the OP does not know the difference. Perhaps he should look at a nice new Kia . . .
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