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Old Aug 30, 2020 | 03:01 AM
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Auto vs Manual mode for fastest 0-60?

What do you get the best times with? Am getting 4.8s in humid weather with ~ 2k rmp break boosting in sport+ auto on a currently stock c450.
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Old Aug 30, 2020 | 04:07 AM
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What do you get the best times with? Am getting 4.8s in humid weather with ~ 2k rmp break boosting in sport+ auto on a currently stock c450.
auto 100%
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Old Aug 30, 2020 | 10:54 AM
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With DME stage 2, red star catless DPs, and BMS intakes, I ran a 4.1 0-60 on my draggy. Car is a C450 auto break boosting to 2 K for launch.
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Manual, T/C off.
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Old Aug 30, 2020 | 04:25 PM
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Pulling out from gas station other day, car felt so meh on 1 gear manual s+ redlining. Butt dyno feels faster on auto, short changing few hundred rpm.
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Old Aug 30, 2020 | 04:33 PM
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auto 100%
I'll do some more testing this week to see what I get the best time with.
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Old Aug 30, 2020 | 04:34 PM
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With DME stage 2, red star catless DPs, and BMS intakes, I ran a 4.1 0-60 on my draggy. Car is a C450 auto break boosting to 2 K for launch.
Am getting my tune tomorrow hopefully. Will post results after I've done some testing.
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Old Aug 30, 2020 | 04:35 PM
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Manual, T/C off.
Thanks, at what rpms are you shifting?
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Old Aug 30, 2020 | 05:14 PM
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Pulling out from gas station other day, car felt so meh on 1 gear manual s+ redlining. Butt dyno feels faster on auto, short changing few hundred rpm.
Are you planning to have it tuned? I have it scheduled for tomorrow. It feels fairly fast to me stock but there are some great gains to be head with a tune.
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Old Aug 30, 2020 | 05:39 PM
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Are you planning to have it tuned? I have it scheduled for tomorrow. It feels fairly fast to me stock but there are some great gains to be head with a tune.
Huge gains. Personally I think AMG detunes it to help keep the hierarchy with the c63. If they mct’d this car, and launch controlled it, it would be beating c63’s off the line stock (it pretty much already does on non prepped, average launches) simply cause it’s AWD.

The engine is definitely limited by its open deck design and cast rods higher up, but I think AMG could easily have pulled more power out without hitting their warranty thresholds

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Huge gains. Personally I think AMG detunes it to help keep the hierarchy with the c63. If they mct’d this car, and launch controlled it, it would be beating c63’s off the line stock (it pretty much already does on non prepped, average launches) simply cause it’s AWD.

The engine is definitely limited by its open deck design and cast rods higher up, but I think AMG could easily have pulled more power out without hitting their warranty thresholds
I think you are right. Just like they detuned the w204 c63.
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Originally Posted by TWINTURBOS
Thanks, at what rpms are you shifting?
Typo on my part, sorry. I intended on saying auto (old habit). I only use manual for canyons.
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To get the best times off the lime auto is always faster, as the gearing is so short and the 1-2 shift is easy to mess up due to the slow shifter response.
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Originally Posted by C43HeartBoost
Typo on my part, sorry. I intended on saying auto (old habit). I only use manual for canyons.
Ah cool, thanks
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Old Sep 1, 2020 | 06:01 AM
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With DME stage 2, red star catless DPs, and BMS intakes, I ran a 4.1 0-60 on my draggy. Car is a C450 auto break boosting to 2 K for launch.
Just got my eurocharged stage 1 and k&n filters and my best time out of 5 was 4.39 break boosting at about 1800 rpm with tc off in 68 degrees (20 celsius) and 85% humidity. What was the weather like for you? I hear it affects performance. Wondering if its worth it now to do the downpipes and intakes.
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Old Sep 1, 2020 | 06:15 AM
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To get the best times off the lime auto is always faster, as the gearing is so short and the 1-2 shift is easy to mess up due to the slow shifter response.
Thanks, those are great times. Are you just running a tune or anything more? Were the times achieved in cool temp?

Just got my eurocharged stage 1 and k&n filters and my best time out of 5 was 4.39 break boosting at about 1800 rpm with tc off in 68 degrees (20 celsius) and 85% humidity. Wondering if I should get downpipes/ intakes.
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This is my E400 2016 same engine as c43 just have the 7g tranny instead of the 9g and a lot heavier. Car is eurocharged Canada v4 stage 2 tuned dp and bmc air filters. Best 0-60 time I got tc off and auto revs to 1.9k
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This is my E400 2016 same engine as c43 just have the 7g tranny instead of the 9g and a lot heavier. Car is eurocharged Canada v4 stage 2 tuned dp and bmc air filters. Best 0-60 time I got tc off and auto revs to 1.9k
Nice, you could probably shave off a bit of time in cold dry weather. Mine is a c450 with the 7 speed as well and this was my best run today after the eurocharge stage 1 tune and filters. Your car is about 300 pounds heavier give or take which makes sense.

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Nice, you could probably shave off a bit of time in cold dry weather. Mine is a c450 with the 7 speed as well and this was my best run today after the eurocharge stage 1 tune and filters. Your car is about 300 pounds heavier give or take which makes sense.
To be quite honest I’m not very impressed by the Eurocharged Canada V4 Tune. So far I’ve raced a 2015 C400 with a kleeman piggyback tune that claims 420hp/430 torque and lost by a car off a dig. Also raced a 2018 C43 dme stage 1 tune claims 460hp and got smoked.
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Old Sep 1, 2020 | 11:46 AM
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To be quite honest I’m not very impressed by the Eurocharged Canada V4 Tune. So far I’ve raced a 2015 C400 with a kleeman piggyback tune that claims 420hp/430 torque and lost by a car off a dig. Also raced a 2018 C43 dme stage 1 tune claims 460hp and got smoked.
Interesting. They do have some quick cars in the leaderboards even in Canada. I might book a dyno timeslot to see how much power the car is putting down.
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Originally Posted by TWINTURBOS
Thanks, those are great times. Are you just running a tune or anything more? Were the times achieved in cool temp?

Just got my eurocharged stage 1 and k&n filters and my best time out of 5 was 4.39 break boosting at about 1800 rpm with tc off in 68 degrees (20 celsius) and 85% humidity. Wondering if I should get downpipes/ intakes.
in 20 degs celcius and high humidiity I can still get 3.65 0-60 all day long and 11.8s 1/4 mile.
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Originally Posted by BenzWay
To be quite honest I’m not very impressed by the Eurocharged Canada V4 Tune. So far I’ve raced a 2015 C400 with a kleeman piggyback tune that claims 420hp/430 torque and lost by a car off a dig. Also raced a 2018 C43 dme stage 1 tune claims 460hp and got smoked.
i did several roll races vs my friends 2019 standard E63S wagon vs mine, and he barely pulled a full car length by 130mph. Up till then it was a bonnet then half a car ahead.

i had v4 file before & my car was slower on it. Now i have a custom EC map and OPF delete which gained 20-25 whp and tq across the whole rev range.
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i did several roll races vs my friends 2019 standard E63S wagon vs mine, and he barely pulled a full car length by 130mph. Up till then it was a bonnet then half a car ahead.

i had v4 file before & my car was slower on it. Now i have a custom EC map and OPF delete which gained 20-25 whp and tq across the whole rev range.
I'm wondering if the 2019s are faster. Also, did eurocharge recommend the opf delete and custom map or was this something you asked for. They didn’t really mention this to me as an option. Thanks though. This is helpful info.
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Originally Posted by BenzWay
To be quite honest I’m not very impressed by the Eurocharged Canada V4 Tune. So far I’ve raced a 2015 C400 with a kleeman piggyback tune that claims 420hp/430 torque and lost by a car off a dig. Also raced a 2018 C43 dme stage 1 tune claims 460hp and got smoked.
You've just compared 3 different cars with 3 different tunes. The engine is only one part of this equation.

I'm not an expert but I believe the E400's (and C400's) actually have a different compression ratio in their engines and are overall designed for less performance. Similarly, the E400 is heavier and likely has different limits applied to the drive train which tunes cannot necessarily overcome.

Also, without launch control, in all of these cars the driver is one of the biggest factors. The fact people with the same tune get wildly different times shows this. So practicing your launch can definitely help.

Your best bet is to find another E400 or see if there are some E400 times posted with specific tunes to make sure yours is running as it should
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Old Sep 3, 2020 | 07:28 PM
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I'm wondering if the 2019s are faster. Also, did eurocharge recommend the opf delete and custom map or was this something you asked for. They didn’t really mention this to me as an option. Thanks though. This is helpful info.
Your car does not have an OPF. OPF's are particulate filters introduced on European cars exhaust I believe MY19 onwards. I don't think it applies to Canadian cars, but regardless it would not be on a 2016. If you want more power you can go stage 2 and get some catless DP's
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