Article on All-New Cadillac CTS-V With ZR-1's Engine!
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Let's not forget that the new CTS is designed to compete with the likes of the E-Class and 5-Series. It's really not in the same class as the C anymore. It is not the CTS of yore, they have moved the model upmarket. Likewise with the STS, which will be targeting the 7-Series now. Price-wise they may be comparable, but I like the interior on the CTS many times more than the C-class interior.
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Don't think cause the ZO6 is lighter its necessarily faster. EndsMTG stage 2 E55 bested a stock C6 ZO6 twice and the weight difference of like 1000lbs only kepted the Vette competitive. The ZO6 is fast as hell but E55 AMGs are made well proportioned and though heavier will still be VERY hard to beat(especially modded)
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A Honda is better made and though many would get a Harley(cause of the prestige) it won't be driven as much as the Honda if they had both..............
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I can name you one American product which is popular outside of North America...Harley-Davidson Motorcycles. A Harley is the ultimate status symbol in most European nations. Fact: Harley-Davidson sells more V-Rod's and Buells in Europe than they do in North America. The Buells are something like 5 to 1 Europe vs. North American sales.
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No matter Caddy/Infiniti/Lexus/Mercedes/Audi or BMW at 50k+ its alot considering todays economy...these prices are just plain outrages....its better to buy used and let the first buyer take the initial hit with gas guzzler tax...I mean its not like they are fully loaded at 50k and depreciation is so bad right now it scares me to go new again like I did formally with my Lexus.
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For those that read the article but haven't bothered with the test sheet .pdf, I think it's worth reviewing:
http://www.caranddriver.com/assets/d...comparo_ts.pdf
Personally, I believe these test figures were actually realized by C&D with an actual C63 that they had available to test - I guess because I believe in the journalistic integrity of C&D... call me crazy...
As for the "the C63 can't be that fast because [insert other car here] is only a little quicker and on paper it should be a lot quicker" - a lot of cars' test figures don't match up with what they SHOULD be, on paper... that's the whole point of testing them, isn't it? Switching mag's for a moment, if you look over R&T's "Road Test Summary" at the back of their mag, you find several examples of this - one in particular:
CLK63BS - 3810 lbs, 507 hp, 464 ft/lb, sticky DOT R rubber, 0-60 4.1, 0-100 9.6, 1/4 in 12.4 @115.0
E63 AMG Wagon - 4510 lbs, 507 hp, 465 ft/lb, performance tires (presumably summer tires), 0-60 4.1, 0-100 9.5, 1/4 in 12.4 @ 114.8
So the E63 Wagon, which has the same power but weighs 700 lbs more, on worse tires, runs an identical 0-60, a FASTER 0-100, and an identical 1/4 mi time as the CLK63BS? Does this make sense? No... but does that mean that the numbers are wrong (or fabricated)? No, it doesn't. Who knows, maybe luck of the draw, R&T got a particularly strong E63 Wagon, or a weaker-than-normal CLK63BS for their test-car. Maybe conditions were different, which favored the E63 Wagon. Could be a lot of things - so to look at the C63's 0-60 time of 3.9 and just flat out say "that number isn't real" is a bit closed-minded, don't you think?
However, I will say this - on average, I think the C63's 0-60 capability will fall somewhere in the low 4s. Breaking 4 would be really really tough, but may be POSSIBLE with ideal launch and conditions.
http://www.caranddriver.com/assets/d...comparo_ts.pdf
Personally, I believe these test figures were actually realized by C&D with an actual C63 that they had available to test - I guess because I believe in the journalistic integrity of C&D... call me crazy...
As for the "the C63 can't be that fast because [insert other car here] is only a little quicker and on paper it should be a lot quicker" - a lot of cars' test figures don't match up with what they SHOULD be, on paper... that's the whole point of testing them, isn't it? Switching mag's for a moment, if you look over R&T's "Road Test Summary" at the back of their mag, you find several examples of this - one in particular:
CLK63BS - 3810 lbs, 507 hp, 464 ft/lb, sticky DOT R rubber, 0-60 4.1, 0-100 9.6, 1/4 in 12.4 @115.0
E63 AMG Wagon - 4510 lbs, 507 hp, 465 ft/lb, performance tires (presumably summer tires), 0-60 4.1, 0-100 9.5, 1/4 in 12.4 @ 114.8
So the E63 Wagon, which has the same power but weighs 700 lbs more, on worse tires, runs an identical 0-60, a FASTER 0-100, and an identical 1/4 mi time as the CLK63BS? Does this make sense? No... but does that mean that the numbers are wrong (or fabricated)? No, it doesn't. Who knows, maybe luck of the draw, R&T got a particularly strong E63 Wagon, or a weaker-than-normal CLK63BS for their test-car. Maybe conditions were different, which favored the E63 Wagon. Could be a lot of things - so to look at the C63's 0-60 time of 3.9 and just flat out say "that number isn't real" is a bit closed-minded, don't you think?
However, I will say this - on average, I think the C63's 0-60 capability will fall somewhere in the low 4s. Breaking 4 would be really really tough, but may be POSSIBLE with ideal launch and conditions.
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Front shoulder room, front leg room, front head room, then repeats for the rear.
BMW 3 Series: 55.0 40.5 3.5 54.5 27.5 2.5
BMW 5 Series: 56.5 41.0 3.5 55.0 28.0 3.5
Benz C Class: 54.0 42.0 2.5 53.5 26.0 1.5
Benz E Class: 55.0 42.5 3.5 54.0 28.0 3.0
Cadillac CTS: 56.0 44.0 3.0 54.0 28.5 1.5
As you can see, the CTS has more front and rear legroom than either 5 Series or E Class, beats E Class in front shoulder room, ties it in rear shoulder room where it just misses the 5 Series (and beats the 3/C Class handily)...only place where it suffers is in rear headroom.
Exterior dimensions are the same story:
Length, width, height, wheelbase, turning circle and cargo volume:
BMW 3 Series: 178 72 56 109 37 11
BMW 5 Series: 191 73 58 114 39 14
Benz C Class: 182 70 57 109 35 12
Benz E Class: 190 72 58 112 38 16
Cadillac CTS: 192 73 58 113 38 14
Again, dimensions are closer to E Class / 5 Series than C or 3.
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thanks for the numbers. i'm surprised, though, since from my experience sitting behind the wheel of all these cars, they feel as i described even if the numbers say otherwise.
i'm referring to the last version of the CTS, though, which i understand to be a little smaller than the new one.
i'm referring to the last version of the CTS, though, which i understand to be a little smaller than the new one.
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thanks for the numbers. i'm surprised, though, since from my experience sitting behind the wheel of all these cars, they feel as i described even if the numbers say otherwise.
i'm referring to the last version of the CTS, though, which i understand to be a little smaller than the new one.
i'm referring to the last version of the CTS, though, which i understand to be a little smaller than the new one.
I'm actually planning on driving one of those before too long...the interior looks fantastic, need to sample it and see if it feels as good as it looks quality-wise.
It's funny: I went to the local Caddy dealership after-hours to look them over, and the sleazy SOBs had added Lo-Jacks to all of them at a markup--despite the fact that they've all got OnStar!! Unbelievable....
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That's probably it....afaik it has g-r-o-w-n a bit.
I'm actually planning on driving one of those before too long...the interior looks fantastic, need to sample it and see if it feels as good as it looks quality-wise.
It's funny: I went to the local Caddy dealership after-hours to look them over, and the sleazy SOBs had added Lo-Jacks to all of them at a markup--despite the fact that they've all got OnStar!! Unbelievable....
I'm actually planning on driving one of those before too long...the interior looks fantastic, need to sample it and see if it feels as good as it looks quality-wise.
It's funny: I went to the local Caddy dealership after-hours to look them over, and the sleazy SOBs had added Lo-Jacks to all of them at a markup--despite the fact that they've all got OnStar!! Unbelievable....
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i don't know where you are, but the only cadi dealer in so.cal i feel offers a fair shake is martin out on the west side. ehlers is just a turdhole with the most ridiculously overpriced used section in town, which tells you about all you need to know. well, that and the fact that they and casa de cadillac actually lock the doors of the cars sitting in the showroom, so as to afford their halitosis-afflicted salespeople better opportunity to ruin your experience.
Well, haven't been in yet, but from what an Escalade-owning friend of mine tells me, the one closest to me is not quite as bad as all that!
Although, after seeing and reflecting upon that Lo-Jack thing, I gotta tell ya, I may pass on the test drive....either they're crooks, morons, or both!!
