55wagon

If I remember the 4 door E36 was even better balance than the couple. and faster on the track....

but it been too long..

SolidGranite

I wouldn't be surprised.

Either way, these arguments are a joke and embarrassing to me as a MB owner.

KiwiRobbie

If you drive as well as Tiff does which is probably way better than anyone here why would you want an electronic nanny spoiling your fun?

STLTH_AMG

Keep in mind the M3 E36 4 door was a much smaller car than the current E92 4 door. I would say the E36 compares to a compact size car as appose to the current E92 which almost compares to a full size car in today’s standards. A lot more weight to throw around in those twisties with the new 4 door M3, I really can't comment on how well the 4 door M3 will perform but I sure as hell would love to find out!!!
Better yet, I can't wait to see how well the C63 holds up against the current M5 and E63!!

KiwiRobbie

Why, a 335i coupe weighs 1615kg whereas a 335i sedan weighs 1600kg, the coupe does not have the weight advantage you think it should, I don't know what the M3 sedan weighs but if it follows the current BMW coupe v sedan fashion then the sedan will be lighter and possibly faster, further disadvantaging the c63.

Cylinder Head

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What's that old saw, be careful what you wish for, YOU JUST MIGHT GET IT!!!

KiwiRobbie

what

STLTH_AMG

Very interesting fact! Are there any track records comparing the 2? That should give us a good indicator as to how the E92 M3 sedan will perform.

Edit: just researched your data and it appears your facts are reversed, the coupe is the one that weights 1600Kg. the weight difference is negligible anyways…. Very impressive fact, the question should now be is if the sedan will be as perfectly balanced as the coupe!

KiwiRobbie

Hmmm the BMW Norway fact sheets I have in my crubby little hands show the coupe is heavier, also if you look up the data in carmagazine.co.uk they also say the coupe is heavier.

To give the C63 a sporting chance maybe we should compre it to the upcoming M3 station wagon which will be heavier than both sedan and coupe.

STLTH_AMG

Here’s where I got my info:
Coupe
Sedan

and let’s stop the comparo B.S. I think what most everyone here is trying to get to, well at least myself, is if the sedan M3 can produce the same performance numbers as a coupe, then great! We can use those current coupe test numbers as a reference to make an informed and better decision when shopping for a sedan!! Not a coupe or a station wagon!!

I understand that the sedan M3 produced almost identical performance numbers in the past so this might be a relevant test after all. I would wait for the actual test though before making any assumptions or final decisions about which car to buy.

Derspeed

That was fun. Both are awesome. The drivers, two in a car, looked a bit cramped in the BMW. That's how I feel in my friend's 335i compared to mine. Having driven many BMWs and Benzs, to me a Benz feels a little more intuitive. Granted, the ones I have driven have not been the same caliber of cars as these.

^^ Check out this comparison.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNzuI7LO5lE

Mercedes is capable of taking a BMW.

AWDman

agree with e36 comment. but, the 1 series is still gonna be heavy.

KiwiRobbie

Firstly the 135i weighs 1560kg, the 335i coupe weighs 1615kg, the 135i is not a liteweight track car by any stretch of anyones imagination.Secondly BMW have said they will not build an M1, that name is not going to be used becuase of the granddaddy of all Motorsport cars the M1. I think they will put into production the Tii concept, that was a stripped out racer type car which is what a lot of people want, very much in the mold of the 2002ti, 2002 turbo and the e30 M3.

WAY

As well as the C63, I have also ordered the 135i. For me the c63 is simply not a track tool, but on the road it will be a killer with it's monsters torque. Of course it will also be my weapon of choice if I go to the drag strip. I will be modifying the 135i to be an M3 killer on the track too, and I don't think it would be that difficult.

gcpa

My AMG spends 100% of the time on public roads. I don't track it. I don't race it. I don't drag it. What I DO do, is commute to work, run errands, and take road trips in a marquee luxury automobile that is comfortable, and has outrageous performance that no luxury limo should ever be capable of performing. You're right in that my AMG is not the best track car, or the fastest around the curve. But the last time any BMW pulled up next to me, they yielded to the AMG's superior torque and straightline performance, knowing that I will beat them to the next light or curve any day, any time, anywhere. Or almost any other car for that matter. THAT's the main reason for driving an AMG.

Jeremy Clarkson said it best in his video. "This C63 tries to KILL you. I LOVE IT."

I've seen the new M3 in person and it's only subtly different from a regular 3 series at first glance. I haven't seen the C63 in person, but if the C300 Sport is any indication, that C63 must look as outrageous as its performance. If I can get over the less luxurious interior of the C63 vs the E63, I'd seriously consider it over the E63. I had a C32 and miss the compact missile feel vs the ICBM I now drive (wonder who's old enough here to remember THESE Cold War references?).

After all, the one universal comment I've noted in all the disparate reviews is that the C63's engine and straightline performance is outrageous. To this day, I refuse to give up my "boys with the coolest toys" mentality. Keeps one's soul young. I can't think of any other vehicle on the market coming up with the blend of outrageous styling, raucous performance, and luxurious practicality that the C63 could have.

Cylinder Head

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Yeah I stand completely corrected on that one. I never read the specs completely, initial reviews touted it as the rebirth of the E36, stupid me for believing them. Thanks for the info.

cntlaw

In the past 2 years, I have been shifting between my C55 and my 330i E90 on a regular basis, the C55 definitely offers more comfort (especially the AMG seats) and more relax to drive. It is no less fun than the 330i E90 even at corners. If I do get a C63, it is not because it kills or not kills the M3 or a 911, but it is because I know I am again getting a state of the art build MB today and it is still a very drivable machine.

I tend to agree with Cylinder Head and CynCarvin32 comments. The C63 (and actually all AMGs) are built to be a powerful luxury street cars, apart from both two cars cost a fortune in the rest of the world, I wonder how often owners will drift a luxury car like they did? Not to say it is a C63 now, even my 3.5 years old C55 should be able to kill 99% of cars in the street for another 10 years!

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AWDman

well i just picked up a 4 dr e36 m3, without sunroof - for my track day car. from what i understand, weight is a wee bit more, the car a a bit more aero stable and a bit more ridgid when compared to the coupe...weight is 3175 and when you're done full track prep around 2800 with a roll cage, gutted interior etc.

MikeRPA

na but let's be real here , the c63 has a little worse handling but still very good since it kept up to the beemer and this m3 is so superior , so the c63 has a superior handling for the street use wich makes no point to get the m3 over the c63

KiwiRobbie

What the motoring mag guys really want is the rebirth of the E30 M3, the original and so far the best plus it's the only one with any real motorsport pedigree (E46 M3 V8 is the only exception). A stripped out lightweight 1 series coupe with a nice high reving 2.5 litre 4 cylinder with 250-300 bhp is just what BMW need to make.

MikeRPA

and some of you people are so just wierd , your saying your going to see the comparo to choose on wich car to buy , you go test drive and w.e. is closer to your heart , like when i was getting the 6 speed max , or to get acure tl-s 6 speed i knew acura would be faster on top end with the v tech but i really hated the low end tq it's like the worst feeling in the world , and the car felt agressive and i liked it more it's w.e suits you w.e you think looks better , i would never look on comparo's just my opinion

STLTH_AMG

Yes of course, the test drive is the last phase. you can't puch a car to it's limits in a test drive, that's where the mags comparo come in handy.

Chargin55

Well for my money it’s the CL63. Yeah I’m a bit off topic but if you want to do a 2-door comparison that’s your C63 2 door right!? And make mine a Black Series please Mr. I just love the look of that thing. I also love the new M3. I have owned an E36 M3, E46 M3 and an M-Coupe. I’ve been an AMG convert since only December 07 and it’s a totally different driving experience however it’s an experience I like. But that’s not saying there is anything wrong with the M cars and I guarantee that such is the quality of the BMW M product that you could run that test again with the 4 door M3 when its released and the results will remain unchanged.

e1000

I think you mean CLK63. The CL63 is a yacht.

Chargin55

You are correct. CLK 63 BS. Thats my pick. Every day!