gbb357

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=161289

The thread was originally started by bimmerJ who's a member here and the link in the thread is about a thread that mbworld member Alex396ss posted in here.

stockwizard

I participated in this!!

Got into a flame war with some of these dudes. I had to settle of few of them down.

This playboy proved his point.

gravedgr

I can't believe I read all 6 pages. I'd like 45 minutes of my life back, please.

FrankW

is there anything new that hasn't been said and done with these endless comparisons between owners and idiots?

C32/55vse46 M3, E55/63 vs M5, C63 vs e90/92/93 M3....I much rather have a conversation with someone who appreciates both then someone who wants to make you think the other is better.

Cappa26

Stuttgart-UT

its funny to read when people say
"i bought the M3 because its 0,003467 sec faster than the C63 on the racetrack!"
Most of the m3 will never see a racetrack...

MRAMG1

And don't forget, that the ones that will go tracking usually can't drive worth a hill of beans. I have passed MANY M3'S with my little C32 at Beaverun, and Nelson Ledges, let alone what another 100hp would do for me. And of course a better suspension to boot

See yeah

dirtdiggler

excuse me for being a noobie, but is the discussion on the m3 board about a C63 sedan vs. M3 coupe ? why not the C Black series ?

Alex396ss

Stopped reading at page 3, too many idiots!

Alex

Glock Guru

Why yes, next month in "German Euro Dork Magazine" they will compare Idiots and Owners this time.

gbb357

Yes you did, i'm glad you didn't back down.

PC Valkyrie

I have the same perspective. I'm just an average non-pro driver who enjoys driving on a track a few times a year. With my stock suspension and street tires, I'm faster than some E46 M3's while some E46 M3's (usually those with R compounds) are faster than me. In other words, there isn't that much difference between the cars, and track pace is more dependent on the type of tires and driver skill/courage. I suspect this is going to be true when the (relatively few) C63 and E90/E92 M3 guys start going to the track.

But the amount of ignorance in that thread on m3post is typical of many M3 owners or fans on the internet. They simply assume that their M3 will blow away any C-AMG car on a track, which is simply NOT the case. The M3's are a bit faster when taken to the absolute limit, but very few people ever can do that, even on a racetrack.

This I do know: I spend far more time in my C55 on the streets than I do on a racetrack. It gives me great pleasure (from real personal experience) to know that my car can hold its own on a race track in stock form and street tires with the benchmark E46 M3, while being a SUPERIOR road car for my wife beside me and 2 kids in the back.

TopGun32

the track car you have is the 135.. and you can hold your own with just about anything.

add some better tires, a few suspension mods and just a mild tune and thing is perfect.

back to the topic.

to say that a car is a few seconds faster around a track is great... but in real world the difference is not there.

If the difference was several seconds like 15 to 20 seconds.. than obviously yes.

To say the new C63 is a pig aorund corners and heavy boat is just plain ignorant. Those arguments are not the case anymore.

While I think the M3 has more potential around the track.. the C63 has more potential on the freeway. I usually stay on the freeway

My E211 E55 is a boat and a pig.. but its my family car.

PC Valkyrie

No, my point was that I tracked my C55 many times and my pace was comparable to the E46 M3's out there. Therefore, I think a similar story will unfold for average non-pro drivers who track their C63's against E90/E92 M3's.

But yes, now that I have the 135i, the C55 will see less track days.

bigbodybeeenz

Sincity

I gave up after the 3rd page.

jackrycheung

whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?! A pig and a boat?!

360_iti

umm maybe bc there is no such thing??

c32used

Everyone chooses cars based on their likes...some will prefer the new M3 while some prefer the new C63.....Why is it that some M-car owners act like they need to prove something here on that post? Its expected that on an "M" board they react that way as the MB owners some will act that way too... If you are going to pay for a car you like then be happy with it. There is always somebody faster or better on streets and tracks as well as road course with lesser cars with alot less power but just build properly and with a skilled driver. Stop this non-sense guys before someone gets hurt and all for nothing really...

Stiggs

Amen. Both sides love their cars...obviously, thats why they bought them. Of course you're going to defend your car to the other camp if they start bad mouthing it. It is really retarded to argue which is better and why. But it still amazes me that some people here (and there) keep doing it.

Just leave them alone or be nice to them. How hard is that?

Glock Guru