paulGT3

I just realized this. I have been arguing the M3 AMG comparo till I came up with this. I havent seen it portrayed this way but:

The M3 has MANY parts that it shares with the 335i. I have heard 90%. But its a 70K car that has many parts off the 40K 335i ( I have the 08 335)

The AMG has many of the same parts including the motor of the 120K and up models So in that respect its quite the bargain.

Do you want to buy the car thats $70k with $40k parts on it
or the$70K car that has parts from the $130K car?

OR do I spend too much time online?

yooker

Is it really 40%? I was reading the brochure and it said 80% of the M3 has parts that were brand new. =/

paulGT3

Its some high percentage I was looking at both a week ago.

But 80% new from what? the old M3 or the new 3 series.

I could be completely wrong. I got those numbers off another post
so its 3rd or 4th hand.

but the comparison is still there.

Silververtu

As for M3 coupe and 328i or 335i coupe, they only share lights, dashboard, windows, bootlid, and door panels. If I don't remember wrong the M3 catalog does say what parts are shared but don't quote me on that.

paulGT3

What about the rear panels rear seats etc etc.
I have a 335i and there is more than that?

e1000

The C63 shares MANY parts with the C300 too. I don't see what the point in this argument is. Both cars are based off of normal production models, the M off of the E90/92 3-series and the C63 off of the normal C-Class. Both get engine upgrades and a few other goodies. Just because the C63 gets the same engine as the other 63 models dosen't mean it's better.

paulGT3

I was just reading some posts where some M drivers were really dissing the AMG which I dont understand. I can see where you think they were both competiitors but the M drivers hatred is suprsing. The only thing I can think of is the collective age must be around 10. I had the chance to buy an M3. AND A great selection since there were so many unsold. It just didnt measure up. Its not a clear mark above our 335 for that matter.

The C63 was a much different design by AMG -its first ground up design. Its not the typical Mercedes with AGM bolt ons by any measure. The chasis was changed the suspension was changed and the motor and tranny are from AMG. not much of a C class left

But really can you think of another car where you have so many goodies of the much more expensive models most importantly the motor>

yooker

RS4 and R8 share the same engine

Germancar1

This is nonsense. What difference does it make? The fact is the M3 and the C63 blow their 335i/C350 cousins out of the water. Completely matterless subject because unless you know a MB/BMW engineer or have your dealer take them apart you'll never know how many parts/percentage of that they share.

M

Sincity

This is like the half/full cup argument.

e1000

Well, lets not stoop to thier level.

The C63 shares quite a bit of parts with the normal C-Class range. I don't think the chassis was changed at all.

paulGT3

E
according to the AMG website the C63 chasis was addressed by AMG

I knew I was grasping, but then E is right we shouldnt stoop.

arefog

For whatever it's worth the C63 is quite a departure from the usual "M" or "AMG" approach where the changes are limited to engine, suspension tuning, brakes, maybe a new hood, etc. The front clip is all new (almost 6"longer than a regular C Class) and the front track is 1 1/2" wider. Not saying this makes it better than _________ but it shows the level of commitment to making the C63 a special car.

Dick Fogg

e1000

it's 2.8" longer, or 6cm. The C55 also had a longer hood than a normal C-Class.

AMGBeleza

I don't really compare anymore to be honest. My last sports car was an M3 and it was great. I did a lot of research between the new M3, IS-F and C63 before I made my choice. I honestly don't really care about any other cars now except for the R8 and DB9. But unlike many other folks in here, my military *** won't ever afford one of them and have a nice house and a family too...

e1000

FYI the E46, and both the E90/92 M3's all have wider tracks than their "normal" 3-series counterparts.

c32AMG-DTM

+1

AMG's frequently have styling/body changes - C55 was the first C class AMG to have a different body than the regular C class (front fenders forward are CLK parts).

The 6.2L engine is the first AMG "ground-up" engine, instead of addressing hi-po changes to an existing MB engine. Of course, this was first placed in AMG's quite awhile before the C63.

As for the C63 being AMG's first "ground-up design" (quoted from paulGT3, post #7) - huh? What do you intend that to mean, and where did you hear/read that? If intended the way it sounds - who designed the CLK63BS?

C63 and E90/92/93 M3 are both phenomenal cars, and some might argue are more than the sum of their parts - whether those parts are MB or AMG, BMW or M.

paulGT3

C32 please google the AMG C63 the fact that the C63 was the First ground up design is in a ton of the press releases. I will look but really if you havent researched the C63 I could see where you would miss that tidbit. Its something ALL AMGs will from now on be handled. It was just this C-Class was given to AMG with a more blank sheet (according to what I read)


AMG Beleeza
Those are my next two cars the R8 and or the DB9.
I am thinking the Jag might be a good replacement for the Aston.
I was thinking the Vantage might be what I was going to try.
But according to Top Gear the Jag is a Aston with a 50K discount.
I will be interested in the Audis depreciation and see what a one year onld
one would sell for.

I had to sell my 07 Porsche GT3 because of upcoming back surgery. I cant get in and out of my GT3. Hopefully I will have a new back in Dec. Then I can start thinking of what to get as far as my sports car go.

I did a bunch of research on those same cars. I had pretty much settled on a M3 until the 9th inning of the game and changed my mind. But I was registered on several BMW forums since I have a X5 4.8is a 335i and had a Z4M. I asked some fair questions on the BMW board and was treated with so much hate even I was surprised. The M3 drivers seem to be very immature and I got sucked into some BS threads. thats why I asked.

AMGBeleza

Well, I'm not surprised about some of that, but there really are some really great guys over there. Honestly, it's been just as bad over here at times.

Well, if you get those cars, I'm envious. And by the way... GT3 is one to add to that list. It must be fantastic to drive. My boss has a plain jane 911, and it's great, but the GT3 is so raw and loud and powerful and barebones.... gotta love it!

arefog

OK, this isn't worth pistols at 10 paces or anything, but I got my information from a road test (don't remember which one) and confirmed it with the owners manual: C300, C350 etc. length 180.4". C63 length 186.1". Not saying it couldn't be wrong - but I didn't just pull the number out of thin air. FWIW I'm a big fan of M cars too and owned both E36 and E46 M3s. I'd own a new one if it wasn't for the torque and style of the C63 - you know, that extra 6" and all!

Dick Fogg

paulGT3

AMGbleleza

I had 2 GT3s the 996 which was a Manthey modified monster and a 997 GT3.
They were both brilliant but with my back it got to be too much. I had my 997 GT3 with a Sharkwerks Exhaust bypass and it sounded SO good, almost just like a GT3 CUP car.
It just was too stiff for my back, with my back going south. (two herniated disks one will be fused) and I needed something I could sit in and get out without having to take pain meds. My wifes 335i was pretty comfy till I sat in the AMG seats which were just the best I have felt on my back.

But I want a 911 back in the garage but I would like to try an Aston and OR the Audi. the Aston looks like it would be more comfy. But some say the AMG will blow the doors off the Vantage.

UK-C200

You have great taste in cars! I've ridden in a DB9, and it is a very comfortable car - not as fast (evidently) as the DBS, but man, they are simply beautiful.

I'm trying to decide if it was more or less difficult to get into / out of than a 997, though, and honestly can't say one way or the other. Ride was absolutely "smoother"...

c32AMG-DTM

First few sentences of the second paragraph here:

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...amg/index.html

I stand corrected!

I still don't get how the C63 AMG is more of a unique "ground-up" design for AMG than the CLK63BS was - but the press releases are what they are; good info, thanks

paulGT3

C32 couldnt it just be Hype? AMG was pretty hard over on this being the world M3 beater? I think they just took a more serious look at the System over all instead of an engine upgrade? I am asking?
I am glad you found it. I couldnt find where I read it. But I think all AMGs (since the BS) are going to be handled this way. I think its just AMGs response to the hype the M division gets year after year at BMW.
I dont know what made them choose this car other than its position in the cycle.

UK thanks. I watch TOP GEAR all the time and I am just enamoured with the DB9. I just looks like Angela Jolie just sitting there. I just love it. I really have to investigate the Jag XK8? which one is the Astons twin?
And of course the Audi. My wife loves the little LED row on the headlights. I wonder if I can use that to get her into one?LOL!