Cooling System - something is up




Today "check coolant" is on (starting the car). Signs of coolant on the tank, and under the engine cover......what y'all think I should check next?
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Last edited by PeterUbers; Oct 3, 2024 at 01:55 PM.








overflowing top cap... fir some reason
That right here looks like how circuit got empties.
I wouldn't go look for an additional leak besides that one...
perhaps the tank cap was loose...
perhaps engine turbos got too hot...
perhaps traffic jam was too long...
Do you think better pistons heat removal from combustion could positively help the turbo heat removal as well??

+++ connected ...
one thing we know is the turbo oil pump & engine pump are connected and pump the same oil... meaning engine oil temp affects turbo oil temp.
Last edited by CaliBenzDriver; Oct 3, 2024 at 04:23 PM.




I wonder if I have a clogged turbo cooling line....not sure why I think that, I just do.
As for other leak? Yeah, the cap on the other tank.......the old one and the new one.




You idea of "clogged turbo cooling line" links to limited heat removal... ie. too much heat!
-- Are both caps spec'ed with identical pressure relief or different value ?
I could be wrong here... but that is starting to sound like "extreme heatsoak" after the engine stopped.
The pistons heat transfers in to the heads And into turbos - At that point... the uncirculated oil can not help removed heat - It all gets transferred into coolant.
My little poney lacks turbo but had been leaking coolant since new during "extreme heatsoaks" after returning home - This was caused and likely for you as well by dry pistons accumulating heat at normal driving RPM under MOD-0;1.
Meaning marginal oiling overheats coolant to remove uncontrolled heat.
My coolant no longer spills driving in 102°F summer weather. Perhaps this can benefit your use case.
Last edited by CaliBenzDriver; Oct 3, 2024 at 05:15 PM.
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> What oil are you running....
oil grade links to spray RPM and cooling effectiveness.
If you are comfortable only with "MB Approved" lubricant (sleeveless aluminum cylinders) - You can trst drive RPM up to 2500 to have enough pressure to spray-cool pistons without using higher grade 15w40/5w50 exotic SP oils.
No problem... MOD-1 gives your engine as much pressure as the oil pump builds up for a given RPM.
Higher viscosity > more pressure > spray at lower RPM: no accumulated heat at driving RPM.
Unnecessary coolant heatsoak leaks cancelled 👏
It's a poor setup for luxury cars to boilover coolant and vaporize oil to "save gas".
We are currently fixing to test a small increment to 5w50... you can eye jumping ahead to experiment 10w50 (TT in a warm locale)... or better: go up grade step step to clean up dirty rings.

HEAT is the reason your engine in boiling coolant...
Last edited by CaliBenzDriver; Oct 3, 2024 at 08:24 PM.





Being an early MOD adopter, what did you make of the opportunity to better lube your engine??
A 5w30 lubricant shears in the W20 range - Get used oil analysis as needed.
Using 5w30 grade is 95% the likely cause of your engine turbo over heating itself.
Turbo service life benefits from effective cooling even more so than cylinders.
Drain that oil

Last edited by CaliBenzDriver; Oct 3, 2024 at 11:11 PM.




I recall looking at a similar idling case when a driver has been driving with high output then gets off the open highway and into city traffic crawl.
The engine has a lot of heat and now the average RPM is lower for "normal driving".
The piston heat is either removed with adequate spray-cooling pressure or through pistons heatsoaking the heads then into coolant.
The conclusion was the most efficient way to move engine heat is WHILE DRIVING...:
- when oil pressure is spray cooling
- when coolant is pumped around
- when heat exchanger is circulated
- when air flow is available in radiator
At idle fluid circulation is nearly disabled to "save gas".
Based on that conclusion the practical solution was to increase oil viscosity to effectively collect piston heat at driving RPM.
Transferring heat around is a fairly slow process. Its marginally effective to spray randomly or only above 2700.RPM.

Non stop is the best way to remove heat as it is being produced.

++++ This is why MOD-1 became 2;3;4 to move head at driving RPM.
We can't change "small" oil pump
We don't want to change driving RPM
So we change viscosity to build available pressure at necessary RPM...
Last edited by CaliBenzDriver; Oct 4, 2024 at 02:01 AM.




Two things - as for Oil, I have 5-40, not 5-30 in the car....
As for the the coolant. The shop ran a diag on the car. Computer plugged in, it auto bleeds the coolant. I guess it even controls turning on the heater, defroster and holding the engine @ 2200rpm for 20 minutes or so. They say I had a bubble in the system....
Now, it is wait and watch for the next day or so. Being as the car is at 60k/mi I am going to order all of the coolant hoses as per the very helpful (other) thread and replace things (time to play parts canon!!!!)
As for the the coolant. The shop ran a diag on the car. Computer plugged in, it auto bleeds the coolant. I guess it even controls turning on the heater, defroster and holding the engine @ 2200rpm for 20 minutes or so. They say I had a bubble in the system....
Now, it is wait and watch for the next day or so. Being as the car is at 60k/mi I am going to order all of the coolant hoses as per the very helpful (other) thread and replace things (time to play parts canon!!!!)
2. The turbo coolant circuit does not circulate through the heater core.
3. I did not know there was an auto-bleed function. XENTRY makes no mention of it. XENTRY only shows a pneumatic method of bleeding the engine coolant. What diagnostic computer did they use?
I need to do some research on this.




I will ask them. The "Mercedes" guy is (was) a Mercedes Master Mechanic at a semi-local dealership until recently. They had two caps, one for each of the tanks. Caps connected to a system (vacuum?). Was was not there to see the system controlling the cars AC systems (I was told this happens).
To that...they did all of the work for no charge. They said that they were excited to test out the new system with a customer who would understand if some other thing was found. Its a car, they break, I get it fixed....all with out yelling at mechanics :-)
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Oil is not w30 but is 5w40... thank God!
Back to basics : turbo coolant is boiling out
Cap never gets pressure tested...
Cap must seal to build up pressure
Replace coolant caps as preliminary step.
Engine block "extreme heat soak" still applicable.
Last edited by CaliBenzDriver; Oct 4, 2024 at 05:21 PM.
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The summary becomes:
- oil tstat
- coolant caps
- oil upgrade in W50 range
Last edited by CaliBenzDriver; Oct 4, 2024 at 09:55 PM.






