MHP Stage II C63 Commencement, Questions for Members!
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MHP Stage II C63 Commencement, Questions for Members!
Gents,
Over the course of the next 4-5 weeks we begin fabrication of our full exhaust featuring 100% 304T stainless design, longtube headers with high velocity merge collectors, metallic substrate cats, 3" X-pipe, resonators and mufflers. Customers will have their choice of cell count of cats (100-400cpi, 100 is the most free flowing, 400 the quietest) and mufflers (baffled or straight through, they sound completely different) in order to custom tailor the tone/volume per your personal taste. Customers may also opt for off-road/catless midpipes instead of the catted versions or along with them to swap out at track days. With the design of our systems swapping mid pipes takes 10 minutes.
Everything included with our exhaust systems is covered by a 100% lifetime warranty.
Our own SFI certified underdrive pulley will also be fitted with the ultimate goal being 480-500rw SAE naturally aspirated with just bolt-ons.
Now a few questions to help us figure out what else needs to be done:
1) How many would be interested in an exhaust that replaces everything from the stock exhaust manifolds back?
2) How many would be interested in longtube headers that mate to the stock exhaust after the collectors?
We won't be doing shorties for the simple reason that they simply aren't worth the effort to install though any other requests will be considered.
Please let us know what you want from an exhaust for your C63.
Thanks!
MHP
Over the course of the next 4-5 weeks we begin fabrication of our full exhaust featuring 100% 304T stainless design, longtube headers with high velocity merge collectors, metallic substrate cats, 3" X-pipe, resonators and mufflers. Customers will have their choice of cell count of cats (100-400cpi, 100 is the most free flowing, 400 the quietest) and mufflers (baffled or straight through, they sound completely different) in order to custom tailor the tone/volume per your personal taste. Customers may also opt for off-road/catless midpipes instead of the catted versions or along with them to swap out at track days. With the design of our systems swapping mid pipes takes 10 minutes.
Everything included with our exhaust systems is covered by a 100% lifetime warranty.
Our own SFI certified underdrive pulley will also be fitted with the ultimate goal being 480-500rw SAE naturally aspirated with just bolt-ons.
Now a few questions to help us figure out what else needs to be done:
1) How many would be interested in an exhaust that replaces everything from the stock exhaust manifolds back?
2) How many would be interested in longtube headers that mate to the stock exhaust after the collectors?
We won't be doing shorties for the simple reason that they simply aren't worth the effort to install though any other requests will be considered.
Please let us know what you want from an exhaust for your C63.
Thanks!
MHP
Last edited by MHP; Nov 27, 2008 at 02:06 PM.
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Gents,
Over the course of the next 4-5 weeks we begin fabrication of our full exhaust featuring 100% 304T stainless design, longtube headers with high velocity merge collectors, metallic substrate cats, 3" X-pipe, resonators and mufflers. Customers will have their choice of cell count of cats (100-400cpi, 100 is the most free flowing, 400 the quietest) and mufflers (baffled or straight through, they sound completely different) in order to custom tailor the tone/volume per your personal taste. Everything included with our exhaust systems is covered by a 100% lifetime warranty.
Our own SFI certified underdrive pulley will also be fitted with the ultimate goal being 480-500rw SAE naturally aspirated with just bolt-ons.
Now a few questions to help us figure out what else needs to be done:
1) How many would be interested in an exhaust that replaces everything from the stock exhaust manifolds back?
2) How many would be interested in longtube headers that mate to the stock exhaust after the collectors?
We won't be doing shorties for the simple reason that they simply aren't worth the effort to install though any other requests will be considered.
Please let us know what you want from an exhaust for your C63.
Thanks!
MHP
Over the course of the next 4-5 weeks we begin fabrication of our full exhaust featuring 100% 304T stainless design, longtube headers with high velocity merge collectors, metallic substrate cats, 3" X-pipe, resonators and mufflers. Customers will have their choice of cell count of cats (100-400cpi, 100 is the most free flowing, 400 the quietest) and mufflers (baffled or straight through, they sound completely different) in order to custom tailor the tone/volume per your personal taste. Everything included with our exhaust systems is covered by a 100% lifetime warranty.
Our own SFI certified underdrive pulley will also be fitted with the ultimate goal being 480-500rw SAE naturally aspirated with just bolt-ons.
Now a few questions to help us figure out what else needs to be done:
1) How many would be interested in an exhaust that replaces everything from the stock exhaust manifolds back?
2) How many would be interested in longtube headers that mate to the stock exhaust after the collectors?
We won't be doing shorties for the simple reason that they simply aren't worth the effort to install though any other requests will be considered.
Please let us know what you want from an exhaust for your C63.
Thanks!
MHP
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I'm certainly game for an x-pipe and another piece that replaces the resonator and secondary cats completely. My budget will dictate how far to the back of the car we go.
If we could do a multi-piece, it would be nice to have an "offroad" option consisting of two short pipes to remove the primary cats, but be able to put them back up there during inspection/emissions time. Not sure if this would cause any O2 sensor/CEL issues?
I know this wasn't quite what you were asking with option 1, but would be an ideal system that offers the most flexibility to the owner. IMO
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Thanks for asking, I plan to be in for exhaust but out for headers. I've had too many bad header experiences, albeit with el cheapo headers and small block chevys.
I'm certainly game for an x-pipe and another piece that replaces the resonator and secondary cats completely. My budget will dictate how far to the back of the car we go.
If we could do a multi-piece, it would be nice to have an "offroad" option consisting of two short pipes to remove the primary cats, but be able to put them back up there during inspection/emissions time. Not sure if this would cause any O2 sensor/CEL issues?
I know this wasn't quite what you were asking with option 1, but would be an ideal system that offers the most flexibility to the owner. IMO
I'm certainly game for an x-pipe and another piece that replaces the resonator and secondary cats completely. My budget will dictate how far to the back of the car we go.
If we could do a multi-piece, it would be nice to have an "offroad" option consisting of two short pipes to remove the primary cats, but be able to put them back up there during inspection/emissions time. Not sure if this would cause any O2 sensor/CEL issues?
I know this wasn't quite what you were asking with option 1, but would be an ideal system that offers the most flexibility to the owner. IMO
Great feedback, exactly what we're looking for. I absolutely forgot to include in the OP that you can also choose off-road mids (or order a spare set to go with your cars). You can swap between O/R and catted mids in 10 minutes with our systems.
I assure you the fitment of our headers/system will be top notch. Nothing like what you've dealt with in the past.
Thanks again!
Last edited by MHP; Nov 27, 2008 at 02:10 PM.
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I'd love to do a full E/CLS exhaust the only catch is I need a E/CLS for 4-5 weeks to fab and jig the system. In exchange the owner will receive a free full exhaust.
First the C goes in, then it looks like we'll be doing a SL63, then we can start on the E/CLS if we can find one local.
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Exactly, gains are just not worth the effort to fabricate and install them. You're talking about maybe 5rwhp from a shorty.
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Would be very interested in a full 3" exhaust with high flow cats, not including headers - possible new legislation in my area that includes visual inspections kills the LT option for me personally.
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Gents,
Over the course of the next 4-5 weeks we begin fabrication of our full exhaust featuring 100% 304T stainless design, longtube headers with high velocity merge collectors, metallic substrate cats, 3" X-pipe, resonators and mufflers. Customers will have their choice of cell count of cats (100-400cpi, 100 is the most free flowing, 400 the quietest) and mufflers (baffled or straight through, they sound completely different) in order to custom tailor the tone/volume per your personal taste. Customers may also opt for off-road/catless midpipes instead of the catted versions or along with them to swap out at track days. With the design of our systems swapping mid pipes takes 10 minutes.
Everything included with our exhaust systems is covered by a 100% lifetime warranty.
Our own SFI certified underdrive pulley will also be fitted with the ultimate goal being 480-500rw SAE naturally aspirated with just bolt-ons.
Now a few questions to help us figure out what else needs to be done:
1) How many would be interested in an exhaust that replaces everything from the stock exhaust manifolds back?
2) How many would be interested in longtube headers that mate to the stock exhaust after the collectors?
We won't be doing shorties for the simple reason that they simply aren't worth the effort to install though any other requests will be considered.
Please let us know what you want from an exhaust for your C63.
Thanks!
MHP
Over the course of the next 4-5 weeks we begin fabrication of our full exhaust featuring 100% 304T stainless design, longtube headers with high velocity merge collectors, metallic substrate cats, 3" X-pipe, resonators and mufflers. Customers will have their choice of cell count of cats (100-400cpi, 100 is the most free flowing, 400 the quietest) and mufflers (baffled or straight through, they sound completely different) in order to custom tailor the tone/volume per your personal taste. Customers may also opt for off-road/catless midpipes instead of the catted versions or along with them to swap out at track days. With the design of our systems swapping mid pipes takes 10 minutes.
Everything included with our exhaust systems is covered by a 100% lifetime warranty.
Our own SFI certified underdrive pulley will also be fitted with the ultimate goal being 480-500rw SAE naturally aspirated with just bolt-ons.
Now a few questions to help us figure out what else needs to be done:
1) How many would be interested in an exhaust that replaces everything from the stock exhaust manifolds back?
2) How many would be interested in longtube headers that mate to the stock exhaust after the collectors?
We won't be doing shorties for the simple reason that they simply aren't worth the effort to install though any other requests will be considered.
Please let us know what you want from an exhaust for your C63.
Thanks!
MHP
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Hey Andy, looks like MHP is on a fast track to the mod wars I respect the way you work. You say you'll have something coming out and BAM!! it's out. You say you will have software that will kick some AZZ and BAM it kicks AZZ. You didn't even say you would have a Tstat in the works and BAM is out, same for your UD pulley. I have yet to install any of the MHP mods as of yet but when it comes to tunners, MHP has my vote as #1 tunner I have seen yet. MHP should change their name to MHPNBS ( MORE HORSE POWER NO BULL SH^T ) 
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I would send my car to MHP and know that the job would get done right and in a timely manner again no ..
I respect the way you work. You say you'll have something coming out and BAM!! it's out. You say you will have software that will kick some AZZ and BAM it kicks AZZ. You didn't even say you would have a Tstat in the works and BAM is out, same for your UD pulley. I have yet to install any of the MHP mods as of yet but when it comes to tunners, MHP has my vote as #1 tunner I have seen yet. MHP should change their name to MHPNBS ( MORE HORSE POWER NO BULL SH^T ) NO I would send my car to MHP and know that the job would get done right and in a timely manner again no ..
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Hey Andy, looks like MHP is on a fast track to the mod wars I respect the way you work. You say you'll have something coming out and BAM!! it's out. You say you will have software that will kick some AZZ and BAM it kicks AZZ. You didn't even say you would have a Tstat in the works and BAM is out, same for your UD pulley. I have yet to install any of the MHP mods as of yet but when it comes to tunners, MHP has my vote as #1 tunner I have seen yet. MHP should change their name to MHPNBS ( MORE HORSE POWER NO BULL SH^T ) NO I would send my car to MHP and know that the job would get done right and in a timely manner again ..
I respect the way you work. You say you'll have something coming out and BAM!! it's out. You say you will have software that will kick some AZZ and BAM it kicks AZZ. You didn't even say you would have a Tstat in the works and BAM is out, same for your UD pulley. I have yet to install any of the MHP mods as of yet but when it comes to tunners, MHP has my vote as #1 tunner I have seen yet. MHP should change their name to MHPNBS ( MORE HORSE POWER NO BULL SH^T ) NO I would send my car to MHP and know that the job would get done right and in a timely manner again ..
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What MHP has done for this car is awesome. I know you guys only do C63's but if you ever thought about helping us C55 guys out or even other AMG's There would be alot of guys putting their headers they have on now in the classified section for a set of long tubes, I know I would. The best exhaust mod IMO would be some form of a turbo setup for under 10k. If you guys could do that I would think you would turn this forum upside down and have all the other sponsors drooling in envy.
I would think with your tuning abilities, you could nail down the hardest part of installing a turbo kit, then all you would have to do is find out were you want to put the turbo. Just saying.... If you did a turbo kit for the C63 you would be a man amongst boys in the tuning game. + you know Kleemann and Renntech will be making a SC for this car soon. I know its not that cut and dry to develop a turbo kit. MHP would launch itself into big time player stasis like Brabus, Kleemann, and Renntech already have if you had a turbo kit. So IMO the best exhaust mod is to recycle it.
I would think with your tuning abilities, you could nail down the hardest part of installing a turbo kit, then all you would have to do is find out were you want to put the turbo. Just saying.... If you did a turbo kit for the C63 you would be a man amongst boys in the tuning game. + you know Kleemann and Renntech will be making a SC for this car soon. I know its not that cut and dry to develop a turbo kit. MHP would launch itself into big time player stasis like Brabus, Kleemann, and Renntech already have if you had a turbo kit. So IMO the best exhaust mod is to recycle it.
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What MHP has done for this car is awesome. I know you guys only do C63's but if you ever thought about helping us C55 guys out or even other AMG's There would be alot of guys putting their headers they have on now in the classified section for a set of long tubes, I know I would. The best exhaust mod IMO would be some form of a turbo setup for under 10k. If you guys could do that I would think you would turn this forum upside down and have all the other sponsors drooling in envy.
I would think with your tuning abilities, you could nail down the hardest part of installing a turbo kit, then all you would have to do is find out were you want to put the turbo. Just saying.... If you did a turbo kit for the C63 you would be a man amongst boys in the tuning game. + you know Kleemann and Renntech will be making a SC for this car soon. I know its not that cut and dry to develop a turbo kit. MHP would launch itself into big time player stasis like Brabus, Kleemann, and Renntech already have if you had a turbo kit. So IMO the best exhaust mod is to recycle it.
I would think with your tuning abilities, you could nail down the hardest part of installing a turbo kit, then all you would have to do is find out were you want to put the turbo. Just saying.... If you did a turbo kit for the C63 you would be a man amongst boys in the tuning game. + you know Kleemann and Renntech will be making a SC for this car soon. I know its not that cut and dry to develop a turbo kit. MHP would launch itself into big time player stasis like Brabus, Kleemann, and Renntech already have if you had a turbo kit. So IMO the best exhaust mod is to recycle it.
i like the idea of turbo or supercharged for the 6.2 but sorry to brake the news to you it will cost more then MY car to do that. its been talked about this fourm for sometime now and not ganna happen.
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Hey Andy, looks like MHP is on a fast track to the mod wars I respect the way you work. You say you'll have something coming out and BAM!! it's out. You say you will have software that will kick some AZZ and BAM it kicks AZZ. You didn't even say you would have a Tstat in the works and BAM is out, same for your UD pulley. I have yet to install any of the MHP mods as of yet but when it comes to tunners, MHP has my vote as #1 tunner I have seen yet. MHP should change their name to MHPNBS ( MORE HORSE POWER NO BULL SH^T ) NO I would send my car to MHP and know that the job would get done right and in a timely manner again no ..
I respect the way you work. You say you'll have something coming out and BAM!! it's out. You say you will have software that will kick some AZZ and BAM it kicks AZZ. You didn't even say you would have a Tstat in the works and BAM is out, same for your UD pulley. I have yet to install any of the MHP mods as of yet but when it comes to tunners, MHP has my vote as #1 tunner I have seen yet. MHP should change their name to MHPNBS ( MORE HORSE POWER NO BULL SH^T ) NO I would send my car to MHP and know that the job would get done right and in a timely manner again no .. 10sec with bolt-ons
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back to the topic. Stainless Steel is very nice but there is a price for that. We all know this car is going to drop in value like all other AMG's. My guess is in the long run when the C63 becomes a $29,000 or less car, are people how can only afford this car at that price going to be willing to pay upwards of 4k (guessing on price) for a set of headers? If there was an option for a less expensive metal to be used thus lowering the cost of the headers might make sense for future sales down the road. IDK, Maybe offering a non-stainless, coated set of long tubes at a lower price could yield some more sales for the people that are not willing to spend big money.
For a bunch of people on this forum this is not your only car, But some day a C63 will be someones only car and daily driver, Giving someone the option for a product that can yield the same gains at a lesser price could be a good move.
I love stainless but a nice set of coated long tubes are just as nice IMO. I should just sell my C55 and get a C63, you guys are having to much fun.
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What MHP has done for this car is awesome. I know you guys only do C63's but if you ever thought about helping us C55 guys out or even other AMG's There would be alot of guys putting their headers they have on now in the classified section for a set of long tubes, I know I would. The best exhaust mod IMO would be some form of a turbo setup for under 10k. If you guys could do that I would think you would turn this forum upside down and have all the other sponsors drooling in envy.
I would think with your tuning abilities, you could nail down the hardest part of installing a turbo kit, then all you would have to do is find out were you want to put the turbo. Just saying.... If you did a turbo kit for the C63 you would be a man amongst boys in the tuning game. + you know Kleemann and Renntech will be making a SC for this car soon. I know its not that cut and dry to develop a turbo kit. MHP would launch itself into big time player stasis like Brabus, Kleemann, and Renntech already have if you had a turbo kit. So IMO the best exhaust mod is to recycle it.
I would think with your tuning abilities, you could nail down the hardest part of installing a turbo kit, then all you would have to do is find out were you want to put the turbo. Just saying.... If you did a turbo kit for the C63 you would be a man amongst boys in the tuning game. + you know Kleemann and Renntech will be making a SC for this car soon. I know its not that cut and dry to develop a turbo kit. MHP would launch itself into big time player stasis like Brabus, Kleemann, and Renntech already have if you had a turbo kit. So IMO the best exhaust mod is to recycle it.
I have nothing against turbos, but I'd have to guess that a kit (including rebuilt shortblock) would probably cost around $20k. Hell I'm game to do it, but there would have to be a real market for it...That being said, I think most people will be happy with the results we get from H/C on the stock bottom end N/A. I see 580-600rw being a distinct possibility on pump gas with all the supporting mods (Stage II + H/C= Stage III). If that doesn't tickle your fancy we can do 7.0L strokers right now as well, though they are far from inexpensive as in past turbo territory.
I guess the bottom line is we can literally do whatever you want, if you have the will, we have the way.
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Rumor has it Kleemann and Renntech are doing a SC for this car, and i'm sure that would be just about all you would need, C63 his a 11.3.1 compression ratio so I'm not sure how much boost it could handle, All I know is if it was done man that would be unreal, Sorry didnt mean to hijack this thread I was just throwing some ideas out.
back to the topic. Stainless Steel is very nice but there is a price for that. We all know this car is going to drop in value like all other AMG's. My guess is in the long run when the C63 becomes a $29,000 or less car, are people how can only afford this car at that price going to be willing to pay upwards of 4k (guessing on price) for a set of headers? If there was an option for a less expensive metal to be used thus lowering the cost of the headers might make sense for future sales down the road. IDK, Maybe offering a non-stainless, coated set of long tubes at a lower price could yield some more sales for the people that are not willing to spend big money.
For a bunch of people on this forum this is not your only car, But some day a C63 will be someones only car and daily driver, Giving someone the option for a product that can yield the same gains at a lesser price could be a good move.
I love stainless but a nice set of coated long tubes are just as nice IMO. I should just sell my C55 and get a C63, you guys are having to much fun.
back to the topic. Stainless Steel is very nice but there is a price for that. We all know this car is going to drop in value like all other AMG's. My guess is in the long run when the C63 becomes a $29,000 or less car, are people how can only afford this car at that price going to be willing to pay upwards of 4k (guessing on price) for a set of headers? If there was an option for a less expensive metal to be used thus lowering the cost of the headers might make sense for future sales down the road. IDK, Maybe offering a non-stainless, coated set of long tubes at a lower price could yield some more sales for the people that are not willing to spend big money.
For a bunch of people on this forum this is not your only car, But some day a C63 will be someones only car and daily driver, Giving someone the option for a product that can yield the same gains at a lesser price could be a good move.
I love stainless but a nice set of coated long tubes are just as nice IMO. I should just sell my C55 and get a C63, you guys are having to much fun.
We use McKee benders and laser welders so the quality is absolutely top notch. We just happen to think $10k for an exhaust (ala supersprint) is ridiculous.
