What does Andy @ MPH really know or do?
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What does Andy @ MPH really know or do?
Andy,
You can fool some of the people all of the time, you can also fool all of the people some of the time, but you cannot fool all of the people all of the time.
You have dragged my name and information through the mud enough; it has come time to call you out. This will be my only post, so there is no need to reply with anything to attempt to save face, I will not respond.
I have probably been reverse engineering automotive pcms longer than you knew what they are. I am not new to this at all. You have regurgitated information that you have gotten from Dave Kasper, and Dave Kasper has got from me during a phone conversation about providing Dave with a flash device, so that his customers would not be required to send their pcm in. I had told Dave about reflash protection that ONLY Bosch can generate. Dave told you , you told a potential customer and that customer repeated back to me. Some of the details were wrong as a result of going through three people before it got back to me but the fundamental story was the same. Dave Kasper boasts having the ability to generate the necessary key to pass the protection method. If this were true, he would have a capability not intrusted to Mercedes, AMG or GM. Yes, GM is using the ME97 ecu as well. Bosch supplies development ecus to the manufactures for calibration development but the final files that are distributed to dealers are all protected and ONLY Bosch can provide the protection key. Dave is not generating these keys. If he were, there would be no need for customers to send him ecus. It is literally that simple.
Now my friend has dynode his car stock today and a car with an ecu tuned by you. The difference was 31 RWHP. What happened to the 80+ RWHP you have promised?? The 407 RWHP he got from your “Stage III” tune is exactly what a stock E63 gets so I suspect Dave has simply placed an E63 or similar file on the C63 as they have the throttle fully opened where the C63 is throttle limited. I think the rest of the world needs to know that there is a lot more in the ecu than just opening the throttle and real tuners use this to generate more power.
You and Dave are now on notice; we will get some of your flashed ecu’s. We will read them in an attempt to prove our theory that your customers are buying nothing more than a stock Mercedes file. Either way, we will post the results. Now as to what you might say about copyrighted information. Calibration data is not copyrightable, If you think it is, sue me and see who wins. I have already been down this road a few times, and I know the directions quite well.
As an alternative, customers need only log OBDii data from their cars and compare mixture, timing and throttle angle between a stock C63, stock E or S63 and your product. If the only difference is throttle opening then they will know that no real effort was put into the “tune”.
Now for the TCU being inside the ECU. That is entirely false and an outright LIE. You will notice in the attached pictures that even the factory Mercedes repair information shows the TCU inside the transmission, just as I have told my friend. You told him that I was basically a fool. Who is the real fool?? There are some shift timers and desired shift times in the ECU, but this is relayed via the CAN bus. So unless the customer is shipping the entire transmission to you, how are you giving them a TCU reflash?? Sounds to me like you owe some refunds to your customers. You might want to refer to the documentation before letting the bile spill from your mouth. I have seen many like you before, you get a little bit of information, and you spread it and attempt to make yourself appear as “The Man”. I have news for you, I have ran across your type many times before, and I am still in business long after they have went bankrupt.
You can fool some of the people all of the time, you can also fool all of the people some of the time, but you cannot fool all of the people all of the time.
You have dragged my name and information through the mud enough; it has come time to call you out. This will be my only post, so there is no need to reply with anything to attempt to save face, I will not respond.
I have probably been reverse engineering automotive pcms longer than you knew what they are. I am not new to this at all. You have regurgitated information that you have gotten from Dave Kasper, and Dave Kasper has got from me during a phone conversation about providing Dave with a flash device, so that his customers would not be required to send their pcm in. I had told Dave about reflash protection that ONLY Bosch can generate. Dave told you , you told a potential customer and that customer repeated back to me. Some of the details were wrong as a result of going through three people before it got back to me but the fundamental story was the same. Dave Kasper boasts having the ability to generate the necessary key to pass the protection method. If this were true, he would have a capability not intrusted to Mercedes, AMG or GM. Yes, GM is using the ME97 ecu as well. Bosch supplies development ecus to the manufactures for calibration development but the final files that are distributed to dealers are all protected and ONLY Bosch can provide the protection key. Dave is not generating these keys. If he were, there would be no need for customers to send him ecus. It is literally that simple.
Now my friend has dynode his car stock today and a car with an ecu tuned by you. The difference was 31 RWHP. What happened to the 80+ RWHP you have promised?? The 407 RWHP he got from your “Stage III” tune is exactly what a stock E63 gets so I suspect Dave has simply placed an E63 or similar file on the C63 as they have the throttle fully opened where the C63 is throttle limited. I think the rest of the world needs to know that there is a lot more in the ecu than just opening the throttle and real tuners use this to generate more power.
You and Dave are now on notice; we will get some of your flashed ecu’s. We will read them in an attempt to prove our theory that your customers are buying nothing more than a stock Mercedes file. Either way, we will post the results. Now as to what you might say about copyrighted information. Calibration data is not copyrightable, If you think it is, sue me and see who wins. I have already been down this road a few times, and I know the directions quite well.
As an alternative, customers need only log OBDii data from their cars and compare mixture, timing and throttle angle between a stock C63, stock E or S63 and your product. If the only difference is throttle opening then they will know that no real effort was put into the “tune”.
Now for the TCU being inside the ECU. That is entirely false and an outright LIE. You will notice in the attached pictures that even the factory Mercedes repair information shows the TCU inside the transmission, just as I have told my friend. You told him that I was basically a fool. Who is the real fool?? There are some shift timers and desired shift times in the ECU, but this is relayed via the CAN bus. So unless the customer is shipping the entire transmission to you, how are you giving them a TCU reflash?? Sounds to me like you owe some refunds to your customers. You might want to refer to the documentation before letting the bile spill from your mouth. I have seen many like you before, you get a little bit of information, and you spread it and attempt to make yourself appear as “The Man”. I have news for you, I have ran across your type many times before, and I am still in business long after they have went bankrupt.
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Hey Tim,
I'm not real sure what your beef is with Andy but its obviously serious. I just received my ECU back from Andy and finally got it on the dyno today. It pulled 449rwhp and 400rwtq today. Those numbers are corrected and smoothing was done. Those are some serious numbers and as far as I know there are none higher to date. I have deleted the secondary cats and have the MKB headers. Otherwise the car is stock. Andy did a good job building power for my car and its proven. I also ran an 11.596 last Friday night in Orlando which is not the optimal conditions and it was the first day I had the ECU back. Why bash Andy/MHP and run off. What happened that caused the beef? Some of us have had great results but yet you bash him? The results are on the dyno and track so far for me.
I'm not real sure what your beef is with Andy but its obviously serious. I just received my ECU back from Andy and finally got it on the dyno today. It pulled 449rwhp and 400rwtq today. Those numbers are corrected and smoothing was done. Those are some serious numbers and as far as I know there are none higher to date. I have deleted the secondary cats and have the MKB headers. Otherwise the car is stock. Andy did a good job building power for my car and its proven. I also ran an 11.596 last Friday night in Orlando which is not the optimal conditions and it was the first day I had the ECU back. Why bash Andy/MHP and run off. What happened that caused the beef? Some of us have had great results but yet you bash him? The results are on the dyno and track so far for me.
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UH OH!! This is getting juicy, yikes for all that money these people spent for a simple E63 tune, wow, this is not good.
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This is the first post in a very long time that I have had to read twice....
Thanks Tim for a Very thought provoking post!!
As a side bar, does this mean if my Shop Foreman at MB is willing to flash my C63 with an E or S63 file I would get the same result (520+hp)??
Thanks Tim for a Very thought provoking post!!
As a side bar, does this mean if my Shop Foreman at MB is willing to flash my C63 with an E or S63 file I would get the same result (520+hp)??
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This is the first post in a very long time that I have had to read twice....
Thanks Tim for a Very thought provoking post!!
As a side bar, does this mean if my Shop Foreman at MB is willing to flash my C63 with an E or S63 file I would get the same result (520+hp)??
Thanks Tim for a Very thought provoking post!!
As a side bar, does this mean if my Shop Foreman at MB is willing to flash my C63 with an E or S63 file I would get the same result (520+hp)??
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Hey Tim,
I'm not real sure what your beef is with Andy but its obviously serious. I just received my ECU back from Andy and finally got it on the dyno today. It pulled 449rwhp and 400rwtq today. Those numbers are corrected and smoothing was done. Those are some serious numbers and as far as I know there are none higher to date. I have deleted the secondary cats and have the MKB headers. Otherwise the car is stock. Andy did a good job building power for my car and its proven. I also ran an 11.596 last Friday night in Orlando which is not the optimal conditions and it was the first day I had the ECU back. Why bash Andy/MHP and run off. What happened that caused the beef? Some of us have had great results but yet you bash him? The results are on the dyno and track so far for me.
I'm not real sure what your beef is with Andy but its obviously serious. I just received my ECU back from Andy and finally got it on the dyno today. It pulled 449rwhp and 400rwtq today. Those numbers are corrected and smoothing was done. Those are some serious numbers and as far as I know there are none higher to date. I have deleted the secondary cats and have the MKB headers. Otherwise the car is stock. Andy did a good job building power for my car and its proven. I also ran an 11.596 last Friday night in Orlando which is not the optimal conditions and it was the first day I had the ECU back. Why bash Andy/MHP and run off. What happened that caused the beef? Some of us have had great results but yet you bash him? The results are on the dyno and track so far for me.
Tim
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i have the mhp tune and i dynoed my car to day, i have 6 dyno sheets and 2 diffrent dyno places that i went to TODAY. i made 421 whp and 390 torque. thats with ONLY 350 miles on the tune.
ok now the tcu part, i have 10/10 shifts in my car and i took a member of this fourm for a ride also and he can tell you that if not a lie or b.s the tcu if 100% true.
let me finish reading what u posted brb
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Hey Tim,
I'm not real sure what your beef is with Andy but its obviously serious. I just received my ECU back from Andy and finally got it on the dyno today. It pulled 449rwhp and 400rwtq today. Those numbers are corrected and smoothing was done. Those are some serious numbers and as far as I know there are none higher to date. I have deleted the secondary cats and have the MKB headers. Otherwise the car is stock. Andy did a good job building power for my car and its proven. I also ran an 11.596 last Friday night in Orlando which is not the optimal conditions and it was the first day I had the ECU back. Why bash Andy/MHP and run off. What happened that caused the beef? Some of us have had great results but yet you bash him? The results are on the dyno and track so far for me.
I'm not real sure what your beef is with Andy but its obviously serious. I just received my ECU back from Andy and finally got it on the dyno today. It pulled 449rwhp and 400rwtq today. Those numbers are corrected and smoothing was done. Those are some serious numbers and as far as I know there are none higher to date. I have deleted the secondary cats and have the MKB headers. Otherwise the car is stock. Andy did a good job building power for my car and its proven. I also ran an 11.596 last Friday night in Orlando which is not the optimal conditions and it was the first day I had the ECU back. Why bash Andy/MHP and run off. What happened that caused the beef? Some of us have had great results but yet you bash him? The results are on the dyno and track so far for me.
Even if the OP thought Andy's track and dyno performances weren't legit (AFAIK, they are), the third-party results that customers have experienced in the C63 seem to validate the claims.
FWIW, I have an MHP ECU/TCU tune in my C32 AMG, and I've been very happy with the results to date.
EDIT: Also, my two cents, it's pretty inflammatory to post a thread like this, when MHP is on suspension and cannot respond to the allegations. Why not go to Modern Horsepower's website (they're a forum sponsor, you can find it pretty easily) and call or email Andy if you have a bone to pick with him?
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This is the first post in a very long time that I have had to read twice....
Thanks Tim for a Very thought provoking post!!
As a side bar, does this mean if my Shop Foreman at MB is willing to flash my C63 with an E or S63 file I would get the same result (520+hp)??
Thanks Tim for a Very thought provoking post!!
As a side bar, does this mean if my Shop Foreman at MB is willing to flash my C63 with an E or S63 file I would get the same result (520+hp)??
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My beef with him, is he basically called me a fool. He bashes everyone else (some that I have done work for), all to make himself appear better. I do not take kindly to being called a fool. He should be very careful what he speaks and about who he speak about. Yes your numbers are impressive, but did you pay the extra 2K + for the tcu flash that is not even in the ECU?? Sounds like you did not get what you paid for. I did not say that I would not speak to others, I did mean that I will not argue with him about this matter. I only wanted the public to know what he is doing to them.
Tim
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Hey tim if someone called me a fool i would speak directly to him. His cell number is everywere so give him a ring and handle it like a man.. this sounds like something my 3 year old would start..
andys number is 614-940-9523
andys number is 614-940-9523
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1. if you know so much about tuning why dont you do it yourself.
2. andy NEVER said anything about 80rwhp.
anyways here is andys number he said his waiting for your phone call. 614-940-9523
2. andy NEVER said anything about 80rwhp.
anyways here is andys number he said his waiting for your phone call. 614-940-9523
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Didn't your car start with 38Xrwhp? So roughly 35rwhp gain?
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520RWHP from a flash alone would be VERY interesting though
