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Old 04-21-2009, 02:15 PM
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Yea, the first rule is don't let off the gas. Just power through it!
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Powering through is what got him in the mess. Release the gas to slow the tires and gain traction, then feather the gas to gain control, IMO. If you have time and quick enough reaction.
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There was heavy rain during the last two F1 races... what, you mean you can't drive like those guys tyanger?

I highly recommend the book "Going Faster" by Carl Lopez/Skip Barber which has a whole chapter on car control. It made a huge difference for me.
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But sometimes, there's just nothing you can do...even with AWD.

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But sometimes, there's just nothing you can do...even with AWD.

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Ouch! He could have started by slowing down.... but, you gotta have SOME grip to have options, huh! The question is... if he had grip, would he know what to do? Most people don't realize you can't just correct the wheel or lift off and expect the car to go where you want.

In the OP's case, as long as there was some grip, with throttle-on oversteer, it's a matter of dialing back throttle and countersteering, catching it, then re-correcting both throttle and steering. A three-step dance co-ordinated in one "magic moment"
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Originally Posted by Hans Delbruck
Ouch! He could have started by slowing down.... but, you gotta have SOME grip to have options, huh! The question is... if he had grip, would he know what to do? Most people don't realize you can't just correct the wheel or lift off and expect the car to go where you want.

In the OP's case, as long as there was some grip, with throttle-on oversteer, it's a matter of dialing back throttle and countersteering, catching it, then re-correcting both throttle and steering. A three-step dance co-ordinated in one "magic moment"
I think a lot of people know intuitively that steering into the slide is the correct thing to do, but the tendency is to over-correct. And there's also the matter of throttle control, as you correctly stated, Hans. Most people either lift off completely, or slam on the brakes. I'm not even sure which is worse.
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Most people either lift off completely, or slam on the brakes. I'm not even sure which is worse.
Yeah... if you lift off without counter-steering at the same time, it's a surefire way to spin, or start your drift, yo....

The way Skip Barber describes it is: Correction, Pause, Recovery.
countersteer and work the throttle back to stop the slide, when the slide stops that moment is the "pause" and you need to get the wheel back to straight (or pointed where you were going before you started sliding, this is where most people turn clueless) and ease back on the throttle. It all happens in an instant. The bigger the slide, the bigger your steering correction needs to be.

Not trying to preach or prove anything, just hoping to help people out! They don't teach this stuff in Driver's Ed, or even at DE's. In fact, I'm one of those who had to learn the hard way myself.
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countersteer and work the throttle back to stop the slide, when the slide stops that moment is the "pause" and you need to get the wheel back to straight (or pointed where you were going before you started sliding, this is where most people turn clueless) and ease back on the throttle.
Ease back onTO the throttle would be a less confusing way to put it.
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Here's the visible damage. Theres a ding on the front passenger side wheel rim too.
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That is a sad sight get that fix quick!

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