lyotomachida

now that's a proper recording and race. bravo.

btw what ECU does that white C63 have?

lyotomachida

Relax bro, I think the consensus is that there is something wrong with the MHP tune for his car.

Jae Duk

Mthis...maybe you were in C mode and forgot to switch

hhughes1

Back to the original point of the thread......stock E55 beats stock C63 just as the modded versions compare with one another. The 63 motor has many qualities that we can appreciate but the fact is when MB switched from the 55K motor the performance threshold was lowered significantly. I can only imagine a modded 55K sitting in my C63. If we are seeing high 10's in an E class without bottle what would our little Benz be running?

mthis

there is nothing wrong with my tune. i have the same tune that i did before MHP V3 ECU/TCU HEADERS CAL 428rw 5th gear. thrusdays i will go get my car dynoed just to show everyone that my tune is fine.

shchow

That's actually not correct.
Stock E55 is quicker than stock M5/M6 down low. Once the cars get moving up top, the M5/M6 starts to pull. But 0-100, the E55 will dominate the M's consistently...

The E55 is actually faster than the E63. The E63 and M5 are comparable...

lyotomachida

M5/M6 0-60 in 4.1 sec, 0-100 in 9.4 sec, and 1/4 mi 12.4 sec

E55 0-60 in 4.2 sec, 0-100 in 9.7 sec, and 1/4 mi in 12.5 sec

shchow

Those times are for general references only. The M5 0-60 times have ranged anywhere between 4.1 to 4.6 seconds.
All actual comparisons of the two vehicles AT THE SAME TIME AND SETTING has the E55 winning all the time down low.

Don't get me wrong. I wish the M5 is faster than the E55.

I've researched this extensively at the time I purchased my M5 back in 2006-2007.
If you'd like, I'll have to go back and dig up the the specifics...

E55AMGGG04

I was seeing every1 post that I might not be stock until the vids. I'm relaxed believe me especially now.

E55AMGGG04

How far is that dyno spot from you? I want to get my car dynoed same place you get yours. I should be able to go monday. If your dyno doesn't come up as expected then there will be no reason to re-run. If you come out with what you expect then I will get my car dynoed to show I'm stock and make a few runs vs you again.

Blackedout335i

In the defense of E55AMGGG04, I have ran him personally and won all races (by 2-3 car lengths everytime, from a 40 roll and a 60 roll to around 140) and if he was tuned he would have absolutely won. SO I know for a fact that he is NOT tuned............

hhughes1

Wow Keith, now who is being a "bully"

Considering that all this happened on the street without any measurement standards we may have to wait until a current dyno is available. It's possible that Mthis is having a hardware issue or maybe the tune just went South? The 55K motor seems stronger on the big end of the track than from a dig given that I have jumped in front of Vinny numerous times only to see him go by like a freight train.

E55AMGGG04

Your going to feel like the biggest jerk when we get the DYNOS done. Who in the right mind lies about being stock you sicko. E55 over C63 stock all day everyday buddy. I proved it and will prove it again. I will be meeting up with mthis monday to go get the dynos done and you DADS C63 will feel like an iddiot.

E55AMGGG04

Thank you for being a normal human being and understanding cars. I will patiently wait and show him and anyone else who doesn't believe my car is stock. I can not believe grown men are such UGHHH god man, we raced for pure FUN, WHY WOULD I LIE.......Dads C63 your #1 on my S* list once I prove it with the dyno.

E55AMGGG04

Bro there is no point in trying. I posted up videos of the stock C63 and modded C63 races. Obviously Mthis C63 is not that much faster then the stock 1 according to the races meaning its his tune not my car. I already spoke to the guy with the modded C63 and we going to meet up and get the cars dynoed on monday.

hhughes1

This is getting to intense for me......think I'll stroll over to the GLK forum and chill for a while

soldier2304

LOL seriously, you guys are getting wayyy too heated in here. It's just a race who gives a **** if the E55 won. At the end it was either a problem with the tune or simply an E55 stock is faster than a modded C63!

No big deal...

Dads C63

E55AMGGG04 - Who's to say that between now and Monday you don't change the tune in your car?? Then you will dyno stock and mthis's car will be fine. All I will say is that if you dyno at 400rwhp and mthis dyno's at 425rwhp something has changed.

If mthis's car is off then I will rightfully apologize but if his car is fine then something is changing. I guess we'll wait for his dyno numbers.

I'm not being a bully, just stating the facts about weight vs power. A 4200 pound E55 with 400rwhp will not pull a 3800 pound C63 with 425rwhp. You have to admit something isn't right about that picture.

rantarC63

Why are people jumping all over E55AMGGG04? The E55 just puts down a lot of power and my friend has dusted V10 M5's, 911's, modded 335's, E92 M3's, and even Ferrari's. The list goes on and on so there's no reason to believe that it can't kill a C63. And the published numbers are just that. The E55 is putting down more power than advertised and this is not unheard of.

Every engine is different and puts out a different amount of power even though it's the same on paper. Then factor in the driver and atmospheric conditions which can affect the power a particular tune can deliver. If you get your car dyno tuned at a high elevation and in dry weather your car will perform differently when taken to sea level and in high humidity. Who cares if the E55 is faster than a C63, even if tuned. There's always someone faster out there. That's what makes it all fun.

c32AMG-DTM

My $0.02, for whatever it's worth... there are a lot of factors at play here, not just peak hp. 5-spd gearing vs. 7-spd, F/I torque curve vs. N/A, traction, drivers, traffic, fractions of a second on who gets the jump first, etc etc etc. If you guys are that hung-up on who's carrying the bigger stick, dyno 'em AND take 'em to the strip, and report back with the results.

DadsC63 - you might not frequent the w211 AMG forum, but AFAIK E55's are considered to be underrated by the factory... many dyno around the 420 rwhp range on a Dynojet IIRC.

JMHO - anyone who makes this big of a deal out of a impromptu street race is way too uptight about a pretty trivial thing - insecure, perhaps? Those vids are absolutely priceless for their comedic value though, I thoroughly enjoyed them.

There's always somebody faster - even that turbo'd Civic that's worth less than your wheels and tires.

EDIT: rantar, well said - beat me to it.

E55AMGGG04

Your 1000000% correct when you say his 428Whp will beat lets say my 400Whp stock. The problem is there is NO WAY he is putting down those #'z. I told mthis I think you'll beat me by 2-3 car lengths before we raced because he told me the same thing. When we raced I ended up walking him which proved to me that something is wrong with his tune. I'm trying to look out for him by letting him know something is very wrong but we come here and everyone saying I'm not stock. As far as me taking anything off........He's not taking anything off so after we do the DYNO"s and I put down my stock #'z we will run again and I will let mthis tell you himself that I'M 100000000% stock. I love all cars and I'm not ashamed to say "I lost", I think to lie to someone about being stock is such a low life loser thing to do especially when it's for fun. That's why I find this so INSULTING because I'm basically being called a LIAR. Monday we will prove everything and I would appreciate and gladly except an apology from you for basically calling me a liar..... no need to argue or have a confrontation because it's going to go on and on. Let the #'z prove it and after the #'z prove it I will race him again to prove it.

E55AMGGG04

I appreciate your understanding. I will show everyone monday when me and mthis get our cars dynoed together and do the re-run. We will keep every1 posted.

mthis

woooooooooooooooooow thats all i got to say. tomorrow i will go do a dyno just to check for sure if something is not wrong.

DONT WORRIE i will go again monday. its ok $50 per 2 run no biggi.

sh*t i dont even wanna go to the w211 forum now after readibng here.

lyotomachida

All I got to say is, although those videos ain't much (too short, disorganized races), its still very surprising how hard and quickly the e55 is pulling on the C63. Even when the C63 gets a head start the e55 catches up and passes in no time. If the race were longer the C63 would be behind by 10 cars or so it seems.

E55AMGGG04

Keep me posted when you get it done.