Jons95c36amg

Come on who goes the speed limit? Especially on the freeway. Going the limit is actually risky,because everyone zooms past you.

iftwb

I don't there is any wrong with 335i drivers taking you on in a C63 AMG? - I welcome the competition myself. 335i is a stunning car and has great potential against a modified C63. So in actual sense, a maxed out 335i vs maxed out C63 AMG is a solid race.

But if they're constantly speeding and doing very dangerous, fast lane change maneuvers; then I condemn that. Otherwise, if its open road and no one else is around (minimal traffic) ... it is just you and the 335i and both your lives. =]

Why shun them down for? I hear plenty of C63 AMG drivers on here with similar interests in racing cars that are essentially a level greater than the C63 AMG? Some peeps on here even have hopes of taking on F430s.

Veho

I will race a 335i whenever but not if I consider it to be dangerous! I don´t think many c63 owner do shun them down because 99% of the time they will spank the 335i. And still sorry I just don´t see a maxed out 335i beat a maxed out c63! No Way!
I mean yes if you put a frikkin jet engine on top of the 335i then it will beat a C63.. But how many of those will you see in the traffic? I say its a safe bet to put your money on the C63 if there is a race between these two.
As you say the 335i is a nice car (Not a big BMW fan but will give it props), I still can´t believe BMW made the 335i a serious contender to the M3...

MikeS54

Maxed out 335 will not be able to take a maxed out C63

Maxed out C63 do have a good chance against a F430

iftwb

Err, do you have a video of a maxed out 335i vs a maxed out C63 AMG? I'm sure a maxed-out 335i will keep up fairly well, but whether it manages to pull ahead is questionable, and slightly doubtful. But nevertheless, still a worthy match.

And yeah, a maxed out C63 does have a chance against a F430...for a bit; before the slimline aerodynamic shape, light-weight and better upper-band power and revs of the F430 engine start to kick in. GG.

Nachtsturm

Reading this makes me want a 335i again.

With the 335i's being now 20k less than the C63. Hard decision indeed. Still need to sell the 55 first.

996 911, 335i, or C63. And maybe even the IS-F?
I will have some fun time shopping when the 55 sells. Good thread. I was unaware that the 335i even modded could hang with a modded 63.

SebringSilver

Only problem is the 335i is a pretty common sight. While the C63 is certainly not a rare automobile, it is far less frequently seen on the street as a 335i would be. But still, I guess 80% of people on the road wouldn't know the difference between a C63 and a C350/300, maybe it's all moot.

Happy shopping.

benyl

The C63 is common in Vancouver. In other places, like the hick town I live in, they are somewhat of a rare sight. I see at least half a dozen 335s in my morning commute everyday, and not always the same ones either. If I see a C63 once a month, I am lucky.

The 335 is the new Honda Civic. Everybody has one... At least here in Calgary.

It was one of the deciding factors in me choosing to order a C63 over the M3.

Nachtsturm

True I do see more 335i than C63's, however, 20k less is a huge difference. And I would really prefer to stay with the coupe.

And rarity really doesn't matter to me. Only how great my util per dollar ratio is.

Even Money

No way does a modded 335 stay close to a modded 63..it will do OK, but the 63 will always win. If you go drive a 63 and listen to it at WOT, you'll be sold....

Nachtsturm

There is a vid of just that happening. I think it is in this thread.

From what I remember this was years ago, there were 335i trapping 114mph and up. I am sure they have only gotten faster.

But yes I still need to drive a C63

all8up

335s take well to mods and the aftermarket is continuing to grow. Bear in mind a lot of these 120mph traps you are seeing today are 335s that have meth injection, race gas and are running well above 16psi (not recommended for daily driving). However, I am fairly certain aftermarket turbos (stockers are MHI) are in the near future and we will be seeing some very fast 335s pretty soon.

I just wish I could have raced my 335 against a C63 when I had it.

Jae Duk

You guys all look down on 335s when in case where if you use the price difference of 20K and use it to mod a 335 it'll whoop a c63! 335 has a lot of potential. Yes bone to bone stock it won't keep up but modded vs modded I think 335 will keep up or overtake

benyl

Not up here in Canada. MSRP on my fully loaded 335 was $65K including PDI.

A C63 with no options (we still get leather) is $63.5K. PDI is $2K and the gas guzzler tax is $2K. So for $2.5K more you can get yourself 451hp.

Loaded, the difference is about $10K.

My 335 with a mild tune pulls away from an E90 M3 on the front straight of our track at my altitude. Given the C63 is NA, I am curious to see how much faster the C63 is compare to my 335.

Even Money

+1. Heck, you could take the 63, supercharge it and what ever else and easily make over 500 whp. Dad's is almost there without FI. The point is, the 6.3L NA motor is a better starting point than a 3.0L 6 cyl. You would have to spend so much $$$ on a 335, you just as well buy a 63.

bushburninc63

it's twin turbo, it cost a lot less to mod it and make it faster than the 63.

iftwb

2JZ-GTE, RB26DETT...to name a few are roughly 3.0L mark 6 cyl engines. They pull 700-1500hp with anything from 20psi and over, on highly sophisticated, extensive modding and tuning. It doesn't need to be a 6.2L engine to accentuate for a 'better starting point'. I'm yet to find a C63 AMG with 800hp, let alone the capacity to push anymore to 1000hp and over. And for your information forced induction is the most cost efficient way of producing more power. You can spend all your money on N/A tunes, but it will never reach power figures of a F/I setup. The only thing it will grant you from doing only N/A mods is partial guarantee of not running into boost/engine related issues. So in essense, loading lots of $$$ on a 335i, with proper tuning so that potential issues are minimized, can actually see you going as quick as some exotics, let alone a C63 AMG.

That leads onto another argument, it costs a fortune to force induce AMGs and Ms. If if costs almost $8000 just to get headers, ECU tune and pulley system from, say Evosport, to get the C63 AMG up to 550hp - I can only imagine the costs of F/I'ing it to get anywhere near 800hp, let alone 1000hp. Perhaps you should find out prices on how much it costs to load up a G-Power kit on an E9x M3. =]

The stock, factory built, tuned and configured twin-turbo setup of the N54B30 in the 335i, has a lot of potential. How much potential? We are yet to find out in due time. Perhaps maybe one day, N54 will be pushing similar power figures as the notorious 2JZ, RB engines of the past decade.

I can only stress that the limiting factor(s) to the potential of the N54 are the i) the cost of F/I'ing a BMW engine - a lot of components that need regular maintenance, and maintaining a BMW stock without F/I, let alone aftermarket parts made for a forced induced BMW, are going cost you a fortune and ii) how much the N54B30 can handle in comparison to the 2JZ, RBs.

We've seen plenty of attempts from HPF turbocharged E46 M3s to take on 2JZ-GTE Supras, and pretty much all have failed. The 2JZ is just too solid of an engine, and is one of few engine blocks to handle up to almost 2.0bar without too much issues. There will always be potential issues with F/I setups, the stock twin turbo setup in the 335i still has issues every now and then.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwtYlOyMAbQ

C-Class_GREEK

ok, the 335i is a pretty quick car, but it looks so ordinary and BORING. Its nothing special IMHO. I see 3-4 everyday here in chicago. And honestly, you look like such a fanboy with that car. A c63 or m3 is much more special. And if your going to mod your car you better do it right and think of the long run. I'm talking about modifications to make sure that car can handle that kind of power: engine, tranny, brakes, suspension, tire compounds, diffs., etc... and in the end your in the same ballpark figure and a fully optioned c63 or better yet zo6 range. And actually the 335i really has no comparison to the new m3. stop thinking of modded terms. because a modded c63 is a very dangerous competitor for a a STOCK zo6. Please don't be a fanboy and follow the 3 series trend. just becuae the 335i is faster than my c350 doesn't mean i'm gonna go and buy that car just cause it can kick my cars ***. You guys aren't the only ones that get attention from these 335 guys. I had one try to race me in my srt10. I know for a fact he was heavily modded because he had the whole shabam brakes, suspension, exhaust, etc. Poor guy got his doors blown off in front of his g/f. keep in mind my car is also maxed out on all n/a mods. its not only from the bimmer guys the AMG like to do it to.

Forrest Gump 9

335i is a sweet car, but the interior is very Honda like. I was in the market for one and decided to keep my E55 instead. As far as their modding go, there are lot of options. The biggest hurdle for the 335i is the fuel pump and injectors (high pressure and direct injection). Once the aftermarket solve those problems, the 335i will fly. They are the next Supra!

GBlansten

While you are typing this who is steering the shrimp boat?

Jae Duk

I didn't know we had a lot of engine space for a supercharger

Even Money

Valid argument, counselor. The only point I was trying to make was that for most people, they would be better off spending more $$$ up front for the NA motor, than dumping $$$ into a less expensive car. One of the reasons I traded in my STi was although I could have had a better peforming car with FI, the $$, time, and attention, not to mention turbo lag, made the NA motor much more attractive. Plus, I drive my car about 70 miles/day.

Brisk335

The video with the full bolt on 335i vs a tuned, drop in filter, no cats/resonator, LSD, C63.. I was in the C63 filming, it is a members car and it was this summer that just past.

My 335i is somewhat of a factory freak but i have stood even with a CLS55 amg(on youtube) and have beat three E9x M3's both M-DCT and 6MT with my Jb3 tune only 335i by from 2 to 4 lengths, from digs and rolls i am just faster, just with a tune nothing else. I daily drive my car and have over 20k miles on it with no warranty and no engine problems what so ever.

As for modding potential, a 335i sedan with race gas, Jb3 tune and slicksbroke into the 11's so.

Meth injection just came out for the 335i, and one of the guys who was first to put it in his full bolt on 135i ran 11.3 @ 124mph on street tires this last weekend.

MikeS54

I was in the same boat moded cars will never be as nice and smooth as a factory car.

You are lucky to not have any problem at this point. However I am interested to see the 335s with aggressive maps fail down the road when milage on them start to build up.

We all know that turbo cars running high psi will inevitabely fail at some point its just some has more luck than others.

sflgator

As someone who previously (to my '09 MB C63 AMG) had a PROcede v3 335i (just piggyback tune and drop-in air filters), I can say the following:

1. The BMW 335i/135i can be modded to become a very fast car; very close to any C63 AMG (even if modded).

2. However, unless some new N54 ECU flashes have come out recently that I do not know about (which is possible), the ecu flashes do not make the kind of HP/TQ that the 2 main piggybacks do (PROcede v3 and JB3). Therefore, to get the most power, one must currently tune with a piggyback box...which, at times, can be touch and go (a lot of constant updates, new and improved s/w versions, maps, a lot of disconnecting/reconnecting, some error codes now and then, etc.) and sometimes a PITA since you need to connect to your ecu.

3. The 335i just doesn't compare with the MB C63 AMG in so many ways. As we all know, the MB C63 AMG was designed to compete and beat the BMW M3 and Audi RS4, not the 335i.

4. No matter what's done with an N54 engine and exhaust, it will never sound like the C63 AMG and exhaust...period!

5. Stock for stock, a C63 AMG is faster and out-handles a BMW 335i. Whether both stock or modded, the C63 AMG is much more fun to drive and it looks like it's in a different class than the BMW 335i...oh, yeah...it is.

6. Contrary to what another poster said, the interior of the BMW 335i is not "Honda-like," but rather typical, "cold" BMW. However, some of the electronics are actually better in the sense that they are either std. or at least offered as options...like radar guided active cruise control, keyless entry/start button (now finally offered in the '10 C63 ), "free" Navi traffic updates with auto rerouting (via wireless signals from FM Clear Channel stations), etc.

I beat many fast cars in my tuned 335i...surprised many SRT-8's, Porsches, MB's, Audi S4's, S5's, BMW M3's, M5's, Infiniti G37's, Nissan 350Z's, and others. It's a great car stock, and tuned, it can be a real competitive, stealthy monster!

I ran 12.8 sec. @ 111mph in my tuned 335i, and I thought it was quite fast (although there were certainly much faster, more modded 335i's than mine). I almost bought another 335i (was planning on transferring my PROcede v3 piggyback box and aftermarket wheels to the new 335i), but decided there was better out there. I test drove an M3 and then the MB C63 AMG. After finding out that I could get a fully loaded C63 AMG for $13k off MSRP, my decision so easy.

I loved my BMW 335i, especially tuned. But, I love my C63 AMG even more...a C63 AMG is a much nicer car than a BMW 335i could ever be in so many ways, and I know I made the right choice!