Engine replacement?!
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Engine replacement?!
Hi All . Bought by C63 about 4 months ago with 14000km on it, It now has 19000km so im busy driving home on friday minding my own business then all of a sudden sounds like some one dropped a spanner in the engine. no warning lights came on and have had no previous trouble. So what gives anybody got some ideas? Now its been at my mbd for 3 days they have to wait for some super technician to video tape and take photographs while stripping down the engine. The dealer is talking about a engine replacement what are your opions on this should I accept this. How did this happen. TIA
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I had an engine replaced in a BMW M5 once...the new engine used much less oil and was noticeably stronger...based on that one experience I certainly wouldn't worry about it. I did ask that the car body be protected by padding and that the dealer be able to provide an extra pair of hands when necessary to ensure no damage inside or around the engine compartment. In no way could I tell afterward that there had been any work done.
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Hi All . Bought by C63 about 4 months ago with 14000km on it, It now has 19000km so im busy driving home on friday minding my own business then all of a sudden sounds like some one dropped a spanner in the engine. no warning lights came on and have had no previous trouble. So what gives anybody got some ideas? Now its been at my mbd for 3 days they have to wait for some super technician to video tape and take photographs while stripping down the engine. The dealer is talking about a engine replacement what are your opions on this should I accept this. How did this happen. TIA
Tell them to swap the tranny also...
I dont think you have any options. unless of course they lemon the car and you get a new one.
Edit: Oh, and they need to warranty the engine for the full warranty from the day its installed.
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Crap happens!!! Count your blessings and take the new motor and buy a lottery ticket on the way home while your luck is still hot!!!
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How would that work? Lemon laws do vary between states, but most if not all allow "reasonable" attempt by the dealer to fix the issue.
Unlike Porsche that will not allow dealerships to disassemble new-under warranty engines-but replace complete long-block. IIRC, Mercedes Techs do routinely rebuild engines on site.
The guy doesn't even know what happened yet. You have NO CHOICE-if they decide to warranty the problem and that requires rebuilding the existing engine and they complete the repair successfully-you have no cause for a "lemon law" complaint. The laws are clearly stated in the owners manual and new car documentation.
Just be glad there is a warranty to cover what could be a catastrophic financial nightmare. Not to mention that if the car is financed or leased the payments must still be made while the car is under repair.
You have no right to refuse or demand anything. It is a warranty-not a satisfaction guarantee. The don't owe you **** for your trouble. Their responsibility is to fix the car. Period. And I'm sure PROFESSIONAL TECHS don't need to be reminded by the owner to use extra care about not damaging your car.
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Heres the thread
https://mbworld.org/forums/ml55-amg-...00-repair.html
by the way how did you come up with 13000 for a bare block?
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How would that work? Lemon laws do vary between states, but most if not all allow "reasonable" attempt by the dealer to fix the issue.
Unlike Porsche that will not allow dealerships to disassemble new-under warranty engines-but replace complete long-block. IIRC, Mercedes Techs do routinely rebuild engines on site.
The guy doesn't even know what happened yet. You have NO CHOICE-if they decide to warranty the problem and that requires rebuilding the existing engine and they complete the repair successfully-you have no cause for a "lemon law" complaint. The laws are clearly stated in the owners manual and new car documentation.
Just be glad there is a warranty to cover what could be a catastrophic financial nightmare. Not to mention that if the car is financed or leased the payments must still be made while the car is under repair.
You have no right to refuse or demand anything. It is a warranty-not a satisfaction guarantee. The don't owe you **** for your trouble. Their responsibility is to fix the car. Period. And I'm sure PROFESSIONAL TECHS don't need to be reminded by the owner to use extra care about not damaging your car.
Unlike Porsche that will not allow dealerships to disassemble new-under warranty engines-but replace complete long-block. IIRC, Mercedes Techs do routinely rebuild engines on site.
The guy doesn't even know what happened yet. You have NO CHOICE-if they decide to warranty the problem and that requires rebuilding the existing engine and they complete the repair successfully-you have no cause for a "lemon law" complaint. The laws are clearly stated in the owners manual and new car documentation.
Just be glad there is a warranty to cover what could be a catastrophic financial nightmare. Not to mention that if the car is financed or leased the payments must still be made while the car is under repair.
You have no right to refuse or demand anything. It is a warranty-not a satisfaction guarantee. The don't owe you **** for your trouble. Their responsibility is to fix the car. Period. And I'm sure PROFESSIONAL TECHS don't need to be reminded by the owner to use extra care about not damaging your car.
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I rember readign in the ML forum this one guy had engine faliure and the repair bill was like 60k or somthing like that
Heres the thread
https://mbworld.org/forums/ml55-amg-...00-repair.html
by the way how did you come up with 13000 for a bare block?
Heres the thread
https://mbworld.org/forums/ml55-amg-...00-repair.html
by the way how did you come up with 13000 for a bare block?
From this:http://www.mercedesbenzgenuineparts....layCatalogid=0
That $75K repair thread is . I owned a 99 Porsche 996 C2. (first year of the water cooled engines.) One dark rainy evening I was outside NYC and went through an area where the road was milled waiting for new pavement. The truck in front of me,struck a raised manhole cover and displaced the big heavy iron ring that holds the cover on. I bounced under my car at about 20 mph and struck my engine right at the center of the sump. I broke the engine case and smashed into the crankshaft. Car had 5600 miles on it.
My auto insurance paid for the repair (no my premiums didn't go up). The new engine was installed (complete except for the intake manifold) and the dealer billed $22,100 dollars and 4 hours labor to the insurance company. I didn't even have to pay a deductible because the road contractor was at fault-other cars got damaged that evening.
The transaxle was undamaged-but the replacement cost of a new one was $10,200. That was in 2001. A C63 transmission costs $6200. 80 grand for a new motor-nonsense.
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You have no right to refuse or demand anything. It is a warranty-not a satisfaction guarantee. The don't owe you **** for your trouble. Their responsibility is to fix the car. Period. And I'm sure PROFESSIONAL TECHS don't need to be reminded by the owner to use extra care about not damaging your car.
And for those "professional techs" not sure what world you live in, but these guys could give a ****s less about your car. They want to get the job done in the most efficient manner for themselves, get their paycheck and go home.
I dropped off my C63 for a simple speaker rattle fix (which they did not fix even though they assured me it was fixed) and go grease on the back seat (i have white leather) and didnt even bother cleaning it. Yea these are MB "professional techs" you speak of.
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You paid 70K dollars for a C63? Now who is delusional. Its a warranty not a satisfaction guarantee. A speaker rattle? Fix it yourself. You use the dealer for **** you can't. The fewer people that **** with my car the happier I am.
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How would that work? Lemon laws do vary between states, but most if not all allow "reasonable" attempt by the dealer to fix the issue.
The guy doesn't even know what happened yet. You have NO CHOICE-if they decide to warranty the problem and that requires rebuilding the existing engine and they complete the repair successfully-you have no cause for a "lemon law" complaint. The laws are clearly stated in the owners manual and new car documentation.
Just be glad there is a warranty to cover what could be a catastrophic financial nightmare. Not to mention that if the car is financed or leased the payments must still be made while the car is under repair.
You have no right to refuse or demand anything. It is a warranty-not a satisfaction guarantee. The don't owe you **** for your trouble. Their responsibility is to fix the car. Period. And I'm sure PROFESSIONAL TECHS don't need to be reminded by the owner to use extra care about not damaging your car.
The guy doesn't even know what happened yet. You have NO CHOICE-if they decide to warranty the problem and that requires rebuilding the existing engine and they complete the repair successfully-you have no cause for a "lemon law" complaint. The laws are clearly stated in the owners manual and new car documentation.
Just be glad there is a warranty to cover what could be a catastrophic financial nightmare. Not to mention that if the car is financed or leased the payments must still be made while the car is under repair.
You have no right to refuse or demand anything. It is a warranty-not a satisfaction guarantee. The don't owe you **** for your trouble. Their responsibility is to fix the car. Period. And I'm sure PROFESSIONAL TECHS don't need to be reminded by the owner to use extra care about not damaging your car.
2, Arclight, agree completely.
Jstef, no, they do not owe you anything for your trouble. If you were financing and they had your car for a full month, its possible you could get them to pay your note for the month, but they don't have to.
As long as the car is repaired properly within a reasonable time frame, they owe you nothing else but some coffee and donuts when you pick it up.
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And for those "professional techs" not sure what world you live in, but these guys could give a ****s less about your car. They want to get the job done in the most efficient manner for themselves, get their paycheck and go home.
I dropped off my C63 for a simple speaker rattle fix (which they did not fix even though they assured me it was fixed) and go grease on the back seat (i have white leather) and didnt even bother cleaning it. Yea these are MB "professional techs" you speak of.
I dropped off my C63 for a simple speaker rattle fix (which they did not fix even though they assured me it was fixed) and go grease on the back seat (i have white leather) and didnt even bother cleaning it. Yea these are MB "professional techs" you speak of.
I've learned my lesson and take my car to a local independent shop. But for warranty repairs, you're stuck with the dealer unless there is an MB authorized independent. Look for one before you let these clowns take your car apart.
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He is absolutely right that the techs generally destroy cars. The clutch on my M3 was destroyed by "BMW Trained Techs" and that car had to be traded in (not to mention all of the scratches that they put on a mint car). They tried correcting a simple pedal squeal and the clutch was replaced twice in as many weeks. I've had better luck with my C63 but also went through a 7 week ordeal to get them to fix something properly. They'll just do a quick job, give you the car, and hope that you don't notice all the missing screws, new rattles, and unfastened parts. I'd be very surprised if they do a perfect job the first time.
I've learned my lesson and take my car to a local independent shop. But for warranty repairs, you're stuck with the dealer unless there is an MB authorized independent. Look for one before you let these clowns take your car apart.
I've learned my lesson and take my car to a local independent shop. But for warranty repairs, you're stuck with the dealer unless there is an MB authorized independent. Look for one before you let these clowns take your car apart.
lol you don't know what you are talking about I laugh at people like you that take their vehicles outside the dealer network to have their cars destroyed by "30 year MB ASE certified techs" this happens all the time like you wouldn't imagine. MB techs are held to a high level of standards that includes returned vehicles MBUSA pays close attention to cars coming back for the same issues and techs are rewarded for low come-backs and fired if they have several. There is no such thing as authorized independents. See what happens when you take your vehicle to people that don't even have a 100k bank account to back up your cars if they do in fact destroy them just ask vadim. Good luck
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Well got some feed back MBD is awaiting answer from germany for a new engine or if it can be repaired. They have found some metal pieces in the oil. What could this be from?
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What oil was in the car, what was the oil temp. and rpm at failure. I have seen several bearing failures with too heavy oil and high rpm's without proper warm up of the oil. Any pressure over 10psi/1000 rpm is risky.
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Cant remember the name on the engine cover but will go past dealer tomorrow to check. As for the oil , the level was still fine since i got the car from my dealer so had not toppped up since but I keep a bottle of the recommended oil in the garage for just in case. further more I always make sure i warm up the engine before giving it stick. I treat the car better than I treat my wife
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That is an old rule of thumb, but hardly conclusive. Many modern engines run pretty high oil pressure. For instance, the 4.6L DOHC Ford V8 runs about 80psi of oil pressure at 3000rpm.
In terms of spun bearings, lack of oil or lack of oil pressure is much greater of a concern.
In terms of spun bearings, lack of oil or lack of oil pressure is much greater of a concern.