Questions

The rate of development is blowing my mind. I think a lot (all?) of us were attracted to this car because it was tops in power/tq and would eat anything else up in a straight line. Now 451 horsepower (yes, 520+ with tune) is not as incredible as it was a few years ago.

Camaro Z28
Shelby GT500
2011 Challenger <-- even that lardy land boat is getting bumped up to 480hp

And yeah, FI is kinda sorta "cheating", if they're using that extra thing to get up there, then you could at least theoretically add it to your naturally aspirated motor. And I'd much rather be piloting a car with the characteristics of an NA motor...but these other cars are/are gonna be quick.

Pity the torquless 414 hp M3s, or worse, the barely released but still torqueless ~450 hp RS5. I know Mercedes is working their TT V8s, but who knows when the C63 is going to get any TT V8, and how detuned it'll once again be from its big brothers, or if it will even be the same displacement as its big brothers.

Don't get me wrong, these cars don't compare to a C63 in many, many ways (andat almost $50k Dodge). But at the proverbial stoplight drag, I'm starting to feel the pressure.

wawy

Jeez, can you imagine how I feel I was thinking of getting a C63 but now I might have to wait for something faster

220S

imho, if you buy a car only for its power, then you'll be pretty much chasing new cars all the time. Get a car with great power but also for other things that make you happy, like interior comfort, room, handling, amenities, daily use, etc..

That's why I got an E. I knew it wouldn't be the fastest sedan ever made but it's got other things that make it worthwhile (comfortable freeway cruiser.) Same with an older Porsche I have, too. It's not fast by modern standards but it's a classic and handles great like an old school sports car. A fun car. New Porsches are nice but they keep upping the performance every few years, and you end up feeling left behind.

Power and speed is an ever moving target. I guess that's what leasing is for

Case1906

The stakes are being raised with stock vehicles. I really notice it at track events. In case you missed it, here's a C&D article on the horse power clubs:

www.caranddriver.com/features/10q2/the_600_club_a_celebration_of_horsepower-feature

Questions

There it is.

Thanks, I did miss it.

gsrjc

at least i know the C63 interior won't rattle right when i take the car off the lot. i have never been able to understand why the interior of American cars rattle so much and look so cheap.

ZephyrAMG

Not only that, but the seams have huge gaps and never seem to join right...and the huge lego looking dials and knobs...drives me nuts.

When I drove the 2007 Ford Mustang, I couldn't for the life of me figure out why they put the cigarrette lighter outlet right above the CD player. So that the wire is in the way each time you need to put in a CD?????

_AMG_

I wouldn't mind having a GT500. those things are monsters, They sound great too.

cdd

I disagree. What's wrong with a blown engine?

RStevens63

Look at the standing mile results from the Miami race, Top Gun Run, that Dads ran in then factor in that he's not done modding yet. He out trapped 2 ZR-1s and a Carrera GT. Not to mention GT500s didn't break 160mph. He went 180.7. These cars are absolute animals with the right tuning & parts, thank you AMG for giving us what's probably the greatest mass produced V8 ever!!!

220S

Mass produced? Sh*t! All this time AMG had me convinced that my motor was homemade out of rare raw materials by a shaman. Can't trust any big company anymore, they're all friggin' crooks.

Dads C63

Your feelings are exactly what drives the aftermarket performance industry. SEMA!! LOL

RStevens63

I guess it depends on what your definition of mass produced is, but I'd have to wager they make at least 20,000 63 motors per year (no idea what total production is?) That's definitely not Ferrari territory as far as build numbers go lol.

220S

Um, sarcasm recognition fail....

OneOfaKindTrini

Go 2011 Gt500, then if that's not fast enough, you can turn to the guys at Hellion performance.

RStevens63

My fault, hard to pick up on that on the net sometimes.

Baby Gorilla

I agree!!

I own both, and at the risk of stating the very obvious, they are COMPLETELY different cars. The GT500 is an absolute beast. It is pure American muscle and will outrun and outhandle the C63. The modification options are MUCH more plentiful for the Mustang/GT500 than for the AMG line. HOWEVER, I could never use the GT500 as a daily driver. It is nowhere near as refined as the C63, but it is not meant to be. People buy these cars (at least I did) for very different reasons. Personally, I think that the C63 is about as perfect as it gets for an everyday car when you consider power, fit and finish, price, etc. Incidentally, it's funny how 451 hp can seem underpowered after driving a car with 700. The bottom line is that our C63s are very powerful and capable cars and can still outperform almost anything on the road (including that P.O.S. Camaro )

OneOfaKindTrini

The C63 is a beast all it's own, No E90 M3 could run with a C63 stock for stock.. But the new Gt500 well, I don't know, even a Whipple on a GT500 is.. Dangerous haha. I would love to own a C63 there are not many cars on the road that can move like the C63.

Questions

Outrun the C63? Not stock for stock. That's not what the test numbers have said, anywhere. The GT500 (with 99 more hp), is just touching par with the C63 in a straight line, if that. And that's for the 2011, not the 2010 you've got. The 2010 stock just nearly touches the M3.

Also have to question the causes for 2011's improvement considering what just those SVT PP tires and rear end are doing for it compared to the 2010.

Baby Gorilla

Fair enough. I started modding my GT500 almost from the day I bought it, so I forget what the stock GT500 feels like. I'm sure that once I up the power in my C63, it will be a much different car too.

hhughes1

Once you get the C63 powered up, take them both out to VIR and see how much you appreciate the independent rear suspension on the C63 compared with the live axle on the Shelby.

Baby Gorilla

With pleasure!

OneOfaKindTrini

But the 2011 has a Aluminum block so less weight over the front axles. More nimble.

Baby Gorilla

True, but it's a weight savings of only about 100 pounds, so while it helps a little, most probably won't notice the change. The new suspension and better tires will probably make more of a difference.