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Big thanks for taking the time and $$ to work this issue. I'm definitely interested when the tuning issues are worked out. That lope at idle is awesome. When folks hear that coming from a Merc, they will be completely baffled.
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Variable cam timing in our cars may if fact lessen the affect of lobe separation a little in the lower rpm range. Best of both worlds to an extent.
Thanks for the response, Mort. Originally Posted by Mort
I am no cam guru by any stretch but generally you are correct. The closer the lobe separation the greater the overlap and the more aggressive the cam. Idle will be rougher and lumpy and the operating range of the cam will be higher in the rpm range. It will be harder to get the engine to idle smoothly and to get the car to accelerate from a stand still without using higher rpms.Variable cam timing in our cars may if fact lessen the affect of lobe separation a little in the lower rpm range. Best of both worlds to an extent.
This is good information.
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I don't think the regulars here doubt you.Originally Posted by Dads C63
I know some will say this thread is useless without proof and I am working on it as fast as I can. You know I will post dyno sheets and 1/4 mile times as soon as its complete. LOL
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Ok, so quick question........
Now that we've changed the cams, are we going to be getting a hard time from everyone about not be a "NA" car anymore????
My answer is NO, it's still NA, just with different cams, but still NA.
JUST A QUESTION?????
I'm sure there will always be an * after everything we do from here on out, but I guess that's how it works.
Can't wait to get it back on the road/track. It might even cool off enough here in Florida to get some decent DA numbers.
Now that we've changed the cams, are we going to be getting a hard time from everyone about not be a "NA" car anymore????
My answer is NO, it's still NA, just with different cams, but still NA.
JUST A QUESTION?????
I'm sure there will always be an * after everything we do from here on out, but I guess that's how it works.
Can't wait to get it back on the road/track. It might even cool off enough here in Florida to get some decent DA numbers.
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Now that we've changed the cams, are we going to be getting a hard time from everyone about not be a "NA" car anymore????
My answer is NO, it's still NA, just with different cams, but still NA.
JUST A QUESTION?????
I'm sure there will always be an * after everything we do from here on out, but I guess that's how it works.
Can't wait to get it back on the road/track. It might even cool off enough here in Florida to get some decent DA numbers.
N/A is N/A, he can stroke it, raise the compression and so on as long as he doesn't put a turbo or supercharger on it its N/A.Originally Posted by benscott01
Ok, so quick question........Now that we've changed the cams, are we going to be getting a hard time from everyone about not be a "NA" car anymore????
My answer is NO, it's still NA, just with different cams, but still NA.
JUST A QUESTION?????
I'm sure there will always be an * after everything we do from here on out, but I guess that's how it works.
Can't wait to get it back on the road/track. It might even cool off enough here in Florida to get some decent DA numbers.
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just what he said 100% NA is NA. no juice no blower no turbo its all good.Originally Posted by CLK 2 GLK
N/A is N/A, he can stroke it, raise the compression and so on as long as he doesn't put a turbo or supercharger on it its N/A.
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Now that we've changed the cams, are we going to be getting a hard time from everyone about not be a "NA" car anymore????
My answer is NO, it's still NA, just with different cams, but still NA.
JUST A QUESTION?????
I'm sure there will always be an * after everything we do from here on out, but I guess that's how it works.
Can't wait to get it back on the road/track. It might even cool off enough here in Florida to get some decent DA numbers.
How would switching cams make something not N/A? I don't see why anyone cares if it's N/A or what they're idea of what a daily driver is or isn't... I wouldn't build a car for the sake of other people opinions, especially those sitting behind a computer from thousands of miles away.Originally Posted by benscott01
Ok, so quick question........Now that we've changed the cams, are we going to be getting a hard time from everyone about not be a "NA" car anymore????
My answer is NO, it's still NA, just with different cams, but still NA.
JUST A QUESTION?????
I'm sure there will always be an * after everything we do from here on out, but I guess that's how it works.
Can't wait to get it back on the road/track. It might even cool off enough here in Florida to get some decent DA numbers.
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Can't wait to get the car back and hit the track.
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put your hand in front of your mouth and say top and then stop. The t in top is aspirated; in stop, it is unaspirated
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Now that we've changed the cams, are we going to be getting a hard time from everyone about not be a "NA" car anymore????
My answer is NO, it's still NA, just with different cams, but still NA.
JUST A QUESTION?????
I'm sure there will always be an * after everything we do from here on out, but I guess that's how it works.
Can't wait to get it back on the road/track. It might even cool off enough here in Florida to get some decent DA numbers.
Whaaa????!!!! Still considered, "NA???" This engine is camblown now and we all know camboost over 115 LSA produces NO2 in the intake manifold. Originally Posted by benscott01
Ok, so quick question........Now that we've changed the cams, are we going to be getting a hard time from everyone about not be a "NA" car anymore????
My answer is NO, it's still NA, just with different cams, but still NA.
JUST A QUESTION?????
I'm sure there will always be an * after everything we do from here on out, but I guess that's how it works.
Can't wait to get it back on the road/track. It might even cool off enough here in Florida to get some decent DA numbers.
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Whaaa????!!!! Still considered, "NA???" This engine is camblown now and we all know camboost over 115 LSA produces NO2 in the intake manifold.
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HUH??? Dude what the hell are you talking about ??Originally Posted by SonnyakaPig
Whaaa????!!!! Still considered, "NA???" This engine is camblown now and we all know camboost over 115 LSA produces NO2 in the intake manifold.
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I think he's referring to the centrifugal superchargers that are built into the stock camOriginally Posted by LZH
HUH??? Dude what the hell are you talking about ??
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were you serious about this? just curious. i'm trying to understand what i'm doing, lol.Originally Posted by dodger63
put your hand in front of your mouth and say top and then stop. The t in top is aspirated; in stop, it is unaspirated
if not, i'm totally NOT doing this .....
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if not, i'm totally NOT doing this .....
Joke!! Sorry I'll leave!!Originally Posted by drawde
were you serious about this? just curious. i'm trying to understand what i'm doing, lol.if not, i'm totally NOT doing this .....
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lol i don't know, i thought it was something like the meat trick.Originally Posted by dodger63
Joke!! Sorry I'll leave!!
For those of you that don't know it's when you touch your fingers to your thumb and that fleshy part of your palm right under your thumb is supposed to tell you how done the meat is.
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some of you guys need to lay off the glass pipe
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Gotta do something to pass the timeOriginally Posted by LZH
some of you guys need to lay off the glass pipe
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amen brother, lolOriginally Posted by dodger63
Gotta do something to pass the time
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With what the cams or the glass pipeOriginally Posted by CLS63 AMG
any results?!!!!
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I'm pretty sure there working on the tune still but don't qoute me on that.. Mhp and dads will sort this all out and bring us a quality product...
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i all ready install my cams but didn't start my car yet.
waiting for my ecu to come back from MHP.
What about the Glass Pipe?
waiting for my ecu to come back from MHP.
What about the Glass Pipe?
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waiting for my ecu to come back from MHP.
What about the Glass Pipe?
Good thing u have 5 other cars.. It won't be that much of a problem wauting for the ecu!Originally Posted by CLS63 AMG
i all ready install my cams but didn't start my car yet.waiting for my ecu to come back from MHP.
What about the Glass Pipe?
