DrakeKemper

Woah, really dude? Really? This is how it has to go down? You have a wife WHICH DRIVES A BMW and you have to make fun of a kid?

Mommy and Daddy didn't buy my car, I DID, still doesn't mean I have 10G's for mods right now. Do you? You drive a "garage queen" as you say. Go spend 10G's Right now and post a build blog on it.

I actually AM being endorsed by my blog, they support me unlike MBWorld.

SonnyakaPig

Stock C63's don't make 388 rwhp. I mean, dynos can read that way and show that number, but most of them dyno at 350ish rwhp and 340-348 rwtq. This is on a Dynojet and Mustang. Dyno Dynamics reads even lower. This is for 91 octane.

93 octane can show 360's rwhp, maybe even 370 rwhp on a very cool and dry day with plenty of air flow.

Dynos are a great tool. But many of us measure hp by 1/4 MPH. Sure, there can be variations at the track that could affect MPH, but we know what stock C63's run.

Put it to you like this, my tune-only C63 probably makes only 400 rwhp given that's what other C63's with the same tune are making on 91 octane.

DrakeKemper

The AFE stage 2 intake didn't make it to RennSpec in time for it to be installed. I will NOT be running an intake for this race. I'll post pics of stock airbox at race

shchow

This event is for entertainment. Take it for what it is.
Really...is the outcome of this encounter going to change ANYBODY'S mind about the cars in question?
If I had to choose, I would take the C63 over the M3 because IMHO believe that it would provide more entertainment for daily driving, with the better exhaust note and more torque.
Simply enjoy the show. I don't think it was intended to be the final arbiter as to which one is the better vehicle.

DrakeKemper

Thank you, I appreciate the cortship

hhughes1

Honestly Drake, IF you have the type of high performance driving experience that you have claimed then you should know very well that this entire contest will be decided on the disparity between the drivers and not the cars. You know that Tatorr, the self nominated privateer has negligible drag racing experience with poor results and certainly zero circuit skills whatsoever. Just suggesting that this is a fair matchup would imply that YOU believe the C63 to be such a vastly superior vehicle that it could counter the difference in driver skill.

The cars are similarly priced in stock configuration and both perform very well but with very different approaches. The reality is that $5000 can transform a C63 into a performance realm that can not be attained by an M3 for nearly the same amount of money. That's life and that's why so many header/ tune C63's are out there enjoying the dominance .

black-clk500

I said I wouldn't engage this kid because it's like shooting ducks in a barrel, but why not
Listen kid, and yes you're a kid at 19, I could give two $h!ts who bought your car, if it was you congratulation you should have.

As for the $10k to spend on mods:
1) it's not what I chose to spend my money on, never said it was.
2) yes the C63 is my garage queen fun car, it's not what I spent my last dime on, I got adult things to pay for like a house, college savings, retirement, etc., etc.
3) I will compare bank accounts with you any day kid, in fact, I got about $3000 in my pocket right now--I own and operate a 30 year old construction company with millions in sales--i actually know how to make money.
I don't care if you fingered Hanna Montana--I didn't have suck anyone's **** for my living--get a real job. I hope you make your dreams come true, I see so many kids dreaming of professional sports, etc. And they forget about plan B--go have fun being a kid, good luck and good riddance--now go back to Mpost with the rest of the fanboys!
I hope Paul over at Forum Wars uses lube on you and Trattor

dodger63

Haha.. That's good..

Sincity

LOL @ blk-clk500.

SonnyakaPig

All due respect, you're out of line. And I say that with full knowledge that you're further on in life than me and have accomplished much more than me.

You're obviously a smart individual.

But, I just think the name calling isn't cool.

The way I feel about name calling is, if you wouldn't do it in person, don't do it over the internet. And if you would call someone names in person over a show that just doesn't quite seem to live up to the hype, than I would say, you are being yourself on this forum, and that's great.

But, I'm just stating my opinion, because I care how this forum is run.

I also had 3K in my pocket last week, but then I had to deposit it in my checking account so that I could pay down my CC. So, not quite flossing yet.

SMP

Sonny, no matter how you try to skew the numbers, the C63 has an advantage over an M3. A rather BIG one right from the factory. It's rated at 451 HP at the crank, but a tune only brings it up to it's other 63 siblings power level. That's just the HP, never mind the 2.2 liter displacement difference and torque that comes with it. I owned some M's in the past and currently have an M6. Non of them had torque, and the M6 is a 5 liter.

Both cars have pros and cons. Both cars are great, just built with two different philosophies in mind.

SonnyakaPig

"skew the numbers?"

I don't see how I did that. I don't like to "skew" things.

The post you quoted from me speaks for itself. But, if it doesn't -- just in case -- I didn't comment on which car has an advantage or disadvantage. I responded about the power levels of the C63.

You brought up which car has the advantage.

LZH

These 2 cars are pretty closely matched and I'd say the M3 has the handling advantage for sure. That combined with an experienced driver put the M3 on top for sure. Sounds like Tattor or whatever his name is....is driving a long way just to get his *** kicked on TV. Personally, I think we should nominate Graham Rahal from our forum to drive his car and send a ringer !!

SonnyakaPig

I agree with you and from what I understand the M3 should handle better, and especially so with a better driver.

Drag race, the C63 should have the advantage, even though it's a heavier car. But, it's not easy to launch a C63 without DR's (btw, I've never had DR's before). Takes a lot of practice and still, somtimes the result isn't so great.

I really don't understand why Forum Wars doesn't allow the participants to use DR's.

black-clk500

hey Sonny,
I can respect your opinion 100%, but I frankly disagree about being out of line.
Obviously, you don't know me one bit "in reality" but I'd have no problem saying anything in person I've said on here to anyone.
I'm really not a bad guy, but I have no problem expressing my opinion, never did, never will.
Now a lot of my comments are in jest because that's just who I am and how I operate.
One thing is for sure, I've never been one to say no to a fight, verbal or otherwise, so if someone wants to throw some $h!t at me they better be ready to get more thrown back
I didn't get where I am being soft, I can guarantee that, especially in my line of work!
So I guess we agree to disagree--you seem like a good dude, my beef is not with you.
Really, I don't have a beef with anyone, I guess I'm a very opinionated and little argumentative

BTW the $3000 was just an observation I made to state my point that I didn't spend my last two shekels on my C63--I'm actually one of the few people left on the planet who uses cash in my daily life, I find it much simpler than debit cards, my wife is the complete opposite, she never has cash--now back to the show

SMP

The post I quoted was your answer to the M3 guy about HP difference at the wheel . No offense, but no tune in the world for the M3 is coming close to what a tune brings on a C63. Again, a C63 has a BIG HP and torque advantage to an M3. Those are the 2 cars competing, right??? That's what this entire thread in it's 11 page glory is all about, right???

SonnyakaPig

Very well said.

I appreciate each of your points. I guess the lesson for me is we don't know what someone else is about until we ask (or comment in my case).

You seem like a cool guy too.

LZH

If all you C63 guys are so worried that our contender is gonna get beat (and worried is accurate considering this thread has gone 10 pages) - then why don't you guys sponsor our guy ?? A tune and headers should be enough for the worst driver to beat this M3, right ? Why not approach Andy MHP and have him donate the mods in exchange for putting a huge *** "MHP" sticker somewhere on the C63 ?? Can't beat those (somewhat) free advertising dollars on national TV

Sincity

PencilGeek over at M3 post said that professional drivers showed up and crashed the party at FW so why not?

SonnyakaPig

I think the confusion lies in the post of mine that you quoted. I was simply attempting to correct the M3 driver. He made an assertion, I didn't know it to be correct, so I responded with what I considered a correction.

He commented about the respective power levels of the two cars. I wasn't talking about that.

But, clearly, in the context of this thread, it could easily seem like I was comparing the respective advantages of the two subject cars given their rwhp levels.

The thing is that's not where my mind was at when I made that post.

But, I understand how this modern form of communication does not serve us perfectly well as not every intended message translates.

However, I'm not sure how any of this would suggest that I was "skewing the numbers."

SonnyakaPig

Because, a C63 should become increasingly more difficult to launch with MHP LT's and no drag radials. And it should make exiting corners more difficult without an LSD.

With a lot of practice, I'm sure a driver can become very successful at driving our cars, but throwing power at the problem (i.e., lack of driver skill and experience) has the potential of putting us at a further disadvantage, especially so when the car is without an LSD.

But, I agree with you about the advertising opportunity.

EpicAMG

Great idea!

SMP

Bravo, someone at last is making sense! But to be honest, it doesn't really need LT's. In my opinion the LSD and tune is enough to beat an M3. Besides, the LT's would only help in the 1/4, but do ***** on the road course in it's slow paced configuration. Like I said a long time ago, it's more important to put all that torque to the ground coming out of the relative slow turns.

mthis

Me and mike said one of us could bring our cars but forum wars don't want us we are to fast

black-clk500

LZH, you're right about the sponsorship, but you're missing the point here (all 11 pages) Forum Wars rigged this thing by selecting whom they wanted on the show and Traitor has had little interest in embracing his comrades, hence why he's taking a beating on here.

Now I agree with Sonny, and it's been said before, w/o LSD and a skilled driver it's all for nothing regardless.

In a perfect world, we could have nominated whom we wanted and he could have gotten sponsorships from tuners, etc. and we would have beat the M fans (I restrained my wording) easily--sadly Paul over at FW wants a couple of young kids to drive these cars so other teenage kids can say, "wow, I want to be like those two dorks, mommy can I have an M3"
And I'm still not convinced Paul's not into little boys(that's the jest part I was talking about Sonny)

This thing is dead in the water and is not going to be a true representation of what it could have been, that's why so many have gotten pissed, myself included