Originally Posted by 604 C63

Sorry but I don't know how to break up the two quotes from one post.

The humble manner thing is a joke.

Passing the buck with that Foot Locker/ Nike thing is ridiculous. Nike uses judgement and knows who they are dealing with in order to make sure their business practices don't reflect poorly on them.

i couldn't care less if you keep cash in a speaker or an urn of ashes from Pope Pious. I want to have a fast car. But don't try to tell me that lack of charges equates to innocence. It equates to lack of evidence.

I dont care whether ECU is your first name, your second or your twelfth. I want a fast car. You do the best tunes, you get my business.

You ask us what we want for bona fides. I cant speak for anyone one else, but what I want is to see your name (singh, ecu, whatever) when i hit youtube and search for fast c63's. And the truth is that I don't. Never seen it before. That means that you are a total unknown to me. And for me, when it comes time to spend my cash, thats all that matters. Not your name, not how rich you are, not what you've got in your speakers, NOTHING ELSE MATTERS except that you have ZERO track record that I can see except for selling a product to a guy who resells it on Craigslist and has a girlfriend who calls back from CIBC (which is a bank, for our American friends). You are a NOBODY in my world and that is the only world that matters to ME.

Do something that I can see, get a track record of taking responsibility for your product, PRODUCE TANGIBLE PROVEABLE RESULTS and then and only then are you on my radar. Until then you just sound like Charlie Brown's teacher.

Originally Posted by Beastmode

I couldn't agree more. I just picked up my new C63 this weekend and am looking to start with mods and this thread really turns me off as how can I trust any business with this type of banter
Who has GOOD suggestions on where to start off moding my new C63

Originally Posted by dodger63

Hey thanks thats real cool.... I just searched youtune fast c63 and my car was the top off the list

Originally Posted by sales@ECU Tuning Group

Sorry about the delay. Last night I was at a Vincente Fernandez concert at the Gibson Amphitheatre on a date with Tequila. Also, I had to do some research on a company that we have never heard about.

Andy I know your reading this and I hope everyone understands there’s two sides to the coin.

Attached are pictures of Andy's comments that have been deleted which entail racial slurs and name calling. I want everybody to know, we have nothing to hide.

Back to the post..

This post started because my company, ETG, have no clue on who MHP are and what they do. I am aware of tuners like Brabus, MKB, and Carlsson to name a few. I also have respect for tuners like Renntech who have carried themselves in a respectful and dignified manner.

For those that have not realized, ECU Tuning Group was formerly Singh Autosport and it states that on our 'Company Profile' (website). The company outgrew it's name and ETG better reflects who we are and what we do. Our specialties include tuning and only tuning. ECU Tuning Group files are not from Techtec nor any other distributor. All files from ECU Tuning Group are created within our group. Clearly states from member, 'I am Jeff (post #7) that we are NOT part of Techtec or it's affiliates; information that was received from Eurotek, not Techtec.

All of our contact information, addresses, phone numbers, are on and always have been on the website. For all topics that have been brought up, all questions and concerns will be answered. If I fail to skip any questions, please remind me and I will be more than happy to address the issue.

Techtec

The owner of Techtec, Pascal, is a very close friend of mine. For those who don't know, I am originally from West London. We have been in this industry since 1991 growing up with some of the pioneers in this industry like Turbo Systems, BBR, Turbo Technics, and Andrew McKenzie of Connaught Design. For those unaware of the aforementioned companies, it is probably way before your time. We had our first feature in BMW Magazines for engine conversions that we used to carry out was published in 1993. Information can be found in our company news.







In regards to the 'stolen graphs', the dyno charts were given to me by my friend, Pascal. Now if you guys have an issues with the dyno sheets being posted, please get a letter from Pascal requesting I remove the information..or have him text me.

After we moved to America, Singh Autosport was established in Fremont in 2003. We have been reprogramming cars ever since. Speculation from other tuners claiming our files from Techtec is completely and utterly incorrect. Pascal is a very close friends with my brother and I.

In September 2006 an issue regarding 'money in speaker boxes'. The matter was resolved. No one was arrested or accused and convicted. If anybody still has an issue regarding the 'speaker boxes', they are more than welcome to come to California and walk in to any Police Station with me and we'll speak about the issue openly. $506,803 was recorded but in fact $2.7 million in total was the actual amount. We're quoting this because if someone else in the future brings this up, we do not want to be called “liars”. I will put down what was mentioned, $506,803, to anyone who could provide me with with information of conviction or an arrest here in the US regarding this matter. Attempts have been made by lesser tuners to slander the company name and “hurt” our business. In result, the company has grown since. All the best and renowned ships in North America carry our product. When the lesser tuners degrade our company, their only tactic is the mentioning of 'speaker boxes'.



Again, MHP claims they speak to Pascal on a daily basis. HE DOESN'T. Pascal doesn't even speak English. He won't even answer the phone. Has anybody on this forum spoken to Pascal since this thread has been posted? As a friend, I can say this, Pascal won't even pick up the phone because 99% of the time he's pissed off. Those who know him, know his characteristics. Great guy though. He won't even entertain any questions regarding this post..but there's no harm in trying, but you'll just **** him off even more LOL.

For those that have not seen Andy's posts, here they are:




Andy

Listen, we have been nothing but nice. We kindly asked you to join in and discuss the topic professionally. Now you come at us with Racial slurs? Nervous curry man in Europe?

Obviously, you really do NOT know who I am. If you want to act like a peasant of which you are, and stoop that low, fly to LA and you can find me any where. Us as a company, we don't hide. If you got insecurities as a man, come down and meet me. Anyone can call names behind a computer monitor, I am giving you the invitation and be a man. Clearly, we have never heard of you or your company and have nothing against you. We came to know about 'MHP' yesterday.

I've been called many names since 2006, you're just an addition to the list. I am trying to understand the frustration of your company not making money. We can drop this and let it go how it is or we can continue, we don't mind. Don't put my company name in your mouth and obviously I won't either.

Listen, the only way for this to be settled is for us to meet in Germany, at the Techtec Headquarter's. I am availabe at any given time.





Massive Corporation? Look, MHP operates from a house in a town where a house is probably worth 100k and according to forbes, one of the most desired cities to live in in North America...If you're such a massive corporation why isn't your address listed on your website. In fact, why doesn't your website work properly, nearly 3/4th's of the links do not work.


No longer accepted as a vendor

My company has never spoken bad about another 'tuner' just to make money. Now, some of your fan base (as history tells us it's you), have spoke about ETG and others negatively which led to you being banned on nearly every forum. Obviously, we are of importance to you and you're totally a waste of time to us. I have only heard of your company within the last 24 hours. and as of being in shape, trying get yourself your own personal nutritionist and own personal trainer. Now you talk about finances, but yet you speak about half a million dollars in speaker boxes is bad but your net worth is not even a third of that. It's cool though, some people can afford to keep sending money around the world in speaker boxes.

What you make in 3 years, I spend in 1 year with Clay Lacey Aviation. In fact, I probably have more money in the speaker boxes facing me right now in my living room than what you'll make in the next 4 years. If you want to discuss finances, have your middle man contact your file supplier.

To all those currently reading this post. This is not who we are or how we conduct business. Sometimes in life, you will have a little dog trying to bite at your ankles. Us as a company has always kept ourselves to ourselves. Never have we forced our product upon customers. It has always been run word of mouth. We have never lied about our product to people. Those who wish not to conduct business with our company, its OK. Those who have never heard of our company, its OK. Never will we get mad about people not hearing about our company. In this case, MHP is upset and dissapointed that we pay no attention or acknowledgment because we genuinely never heard of them. For those who feel that we have been living under a rock, need to understand we have been busy working and expanding our business.



The reason why you've been banned is because of you create false accounts slandering other businesses to promote yours. In the business sense, how professional is that. Also, stop taking pictures of headers with a gun. You look like a pansy doing that.




Thank you! I went ahead snapped a pic so everybody could take a look.

Couple years back, one of my customers brought to my attention that Arin of APR was bad mouthing my company, I then called Arin in the presence of the manager of BMW of Fremont and a top service advisor of MB of Fremont (Fremont Automall was less than a minute away from our office). At the office in front of both advisors from BMW and MB, as a form of entertainment, I phoned Arin and then introduced myself. I had then asked him “why would you bad mouth my company on the forum knowing you know nothing about my company?”. I then offered Arin and his family to fly out to CA, put them up in the Fairmont Hotel in San Jose, and offered him a rental car so he can see what kind of work we do. He denied posting such comments on the forum. I then read off the forum word for word exactly what he wrote. At that moment in time, Arin started stuttering and put me on hold for 15 minutes. I hung up, then called back to which a lady answered and asked her for her full company address so then I could go to APR to see what they do. As the lady started giving me the address, Arin started screaming at her “don't give him the address, don't give him the address” then hung up the phone. This whole instance brought laughter to not only myself, but everyone in the office. I am not a person to make threats over the phone or on the internet that I cannot back up. Once again, Arin decided to bring up speaker boxes, but just like every other 'tuner' one but has yet comment on our work. Not to sound arrogant, but our work is top notch and untouchable. We have never had a dissatisfied customer. A lot of forum members who have spoken bad about our company, is not about us being pompous or arrogant, is because they want a discount. Now, we don't discount our products because we believe we sell a good product. Now, I believe as a business owner, I should not be black mailed or threatened by others to receive a discount. Forum sponsors, I am sure you understand where I am coming from. Again, I repeat myself, I am fair. My prices are fair. If wanted to be a dick, I could tune any car for $50 (yes $50) because I do not pay 3rd party fees. So us as a company, sometimes we have to bite our tongue, but occasionally you will get someone who will try and rattle your cage. We have a notice in every single office stating 'We have the right to refuse service to anyone'. Those who say we are narcissitc, our company does a lot of charity work for the children in my old community in west London.

Clearly stated on your website, you can reprogram the ECU and TCU for the 63 amg's. Now, am I supposed to send you the ECU and the complete transmission? The TCU on that car cannot be programmed. It can be done on the 55, 600, and 65 amg's. How can you reprogram the TCU when your supplier, Techtec can't? No offense intended at all to Techtec.


People keep thinking MHP is a tuner, when in reality they are a reseller. He self confessed that he buys his tunes from a third party. The tuner that he purchases his files from purchase their files from Techtec. Those files are sold worldwide and are not exclusive to MHP. MHP should not take credit for someone else's work. People keep stating that MHP should get the credit for Techtec's work.

The reason why his posts were taken down, was not because he isn't a sponsor, its because of the way he addressed it issue at hand.


I hope I have addressed everything that could have been said about my company.

So, just as a reminder, our files are not provided by Techtec or any other distributor. We have a good friendship with Techtec because we are friends, forget work. If this has to go further and MHP refuses to meet us in Germany, then what are we supposed to do? Will everybody feel better if we stand with the owner of Techtec infront of the Techtec Headquarter's saying “Who the f@#k is MHP?” on a signboard? Don't tempt us, we'll do it.

Note to all tuners...Can we all just get along?

Moderators: Please let Andy reply to this post, I understand his posts will be deleted if name calling/racial slurs are involved.

Originally Posted by dodger63

Were you located

Originally Posted by Beastmode

Dodger, I am in southern Oregon so not a lot of local tuning options. But would love some suggestions of where to start. This is my first attempt at tuning as I have always left my cars stock however I just can leave this AMG alone

Originally Posted by dodger63

Bang for your buck is tune and headers,, turns it from mild manored to a complete animal

Originally Posted by sales@ECU Tuning Group

Sirex,

Since you are such close friends with Andy, on behalf of him, why don't you post his comments. You can be the spokesperson for MHP?

For all the viewers to know, are you really in the UAE? Or is this Andy I am talking to. He is well known for making false accounts so I wouldn't be surprised.

Moderators, I know you are reading this. Please let Andy speak his worth (2 cents). Come on guys, can't we at least throw one punch

Originally Posted by Sirex63

Since your so close to the moderators why don't you ask them to show you my IP ? Oh wait , i might be using a change IP program. <-- typical huh

How about then i buy you a 1st class Etihad airline ticket to visit the tallest building in the world ( Khalifa tower - Dubai ) and then we can meet as your pretending your a man and wont hide behind screens hhhh !

btw , 1 paratha and karak jaldi karo chai walla hahahaha

Originally Posted by c32AMG-DTM

Fair enough.

Of course, by acknowledging the data is "similar," one reasonably can conclude that the data is not "the same." Consequently, using a graph from a tune that does not contain the same data/coding, is inherently misleading. It's pretty straightforward. If you don't get what I'm saying, we'll just have to agree to disagree and leave it at that.

Originally Posted by snarlingchicken

You know, I'll say this now before I begin my post. I'm just a "lowly C350 owner" to the OP's standards from what he seems to be saying, but seeing as this is a public forum, I thought I'd give my two cents.

ETG, you've done nothing so far to promote good business and customer service. In this single post alone, all YOU have done is bad mouth TWO companies. Both MHP and APR. Sure you might just be returning the blows they have landed first, but does that make you any better? Also, if I recall User ToA, I believe it's against the rules on here to post private messages in public. Mods, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but I recall a thread where a member on here did so and was promptly put on probation/banned. If anything, I feel that regardless of whether ETG is a sponsor or not, his behavior here does not condone any sort of special treatment.

If you feel that there is an issue ETG, or that the members here believe that information you have posted is incorrect, you as a business owner should go out of YOUR way to get to the bottom of it. Here in the car modding business, most owners are part of a COMMUNITY. We all aim to help each other somehow and provide each other some sort of help if possible. Sure, because this is the interwebz, this only applies to about 60-80% (roughly) of active members online. We aren't a bunch of rich snobs who are willing to throw our money at you for good numbers. All of us are attracted to low prices, good quality, friendly and helpful customer service, as well as open and close communications between buyer and vendor.

Once again, in my simple and potentially pointless opinion, ETG should have gone about this in a different manner. If you didn't know Andy/MHP, why not just try and find out who he was rather than ignore him completely as a company? As a competitor you can just simply "have tabs/knowhow" on other company so that you may better your products in comparison to theirs. If you didn't know Andy why call them out in this manner? This seems like the act of a kid comparing the size of his stick to another's.

Regardless of what you think ETG, the customer comes first. And I believe the ACTUAL legal saying is "You are innocent unless proven guilty." Though you can find more info on this in the Fifth, Sixth, and Fourteenth Amendments of the US Constitution if you like.
Anyways, that's all I had to say. It sucks to see vendors behave like this. It excites me whenever someone brings something new and valuable for the MB Community. Sadly on the other hand, it just breaks my little heart (and sometime just makes me laugh) to see people going at each other's throats online. But oh well. Hope both ETG and MHP reach a resolution. If ETG can come out of this in a well-mannered way and clear up all doubts as of now, I think they could potentially have good business.

Originally Posted by sales@ECU Tuning Group

With regards to the ECU/TCU: let me explain, if you add power to a car with a turbo sometimes you are limited to how much power you can add because the transmission starts hunting for gears and will never shift correctly. If you have the capability to program the TCU, you can add more power to the engine knowing that you will not have any any issues with the transmission. One of the benefits of programming the TCU is we can raise the torque limiters (which we also for the 55k). I hope I have explained this clearly.

Yes this makes sense. The TCU limitations are not limited to turbos only. AMG and in the case of some models HWA limit the amount of NM via the TCU unit to preserve the tranny. It is not so much about shift points but the tq placed on drivetrain that has them limit the amount of tq. The only concern here is whether this viable for any long term use. One member here who everyone knows has produced huge amounts of RWHP but continued to have issues with tranny. The reason I point this out as I have never heard of anyone successfully reprogramming TCU amongst even some of the ultra high end tuners. Hence why the likes of Brabus build their own reinforced and engineered drivetrain. If you have any case studies of TCU modifications been done I am sure alot of members here would be very interested.

If you would like to view pics, dyno sheets, or videos you can view the links below:

www.singhautosport.blogspot.com
http://ecutuninggroup.com/galleries/dyno-sheets
youtube for some video's from our customers

Thanks. Just reviewed. All dyno sheets are done on Cartec in Europe so I assume these are Techtec results? You have any dynos done in US and if so on what dyno system. Also might want to point out since these dyno carts were done in Europe it is pretty safe to assume they used Euro juice vs US gas.

Now this blod entry has me very interested.
Mercedes 63 AMG Pace Car Tune File



Our customer's know we have had the Mercedes 63 AMG Pace Car Tune File for the last 2 or 3 years but have never had time to work on it. I'll be going back home to London for the next couple of weeks to test it and other interesting stuff. Hopefully we'll be able to offer it soon, like anything we have to test it first. We have a lot of friends within AMG, hence why we get all the data way before any tuner

Are you referring to the SL63 Pace car or the SLS? Please explain what the Pace car tune is and how this is different than normal map on SLS? Very curious here as I have asked my contacts at HWA (guys who actually make pace cars for F1) and AMG as well and they say it is stock except for some suspension work, internal fittings and for high speed tracks some LTHs for some extra power to keep speeds up so F1 drivers can keep heat in their tires when it is deployed. This also applies for the C63 Estate which is medical car. Additional confirmation of the facts above is Bernd Mayländer who I know via the AMG Academy and SLS GT3 program.


One of my customers who is really open about this lives in Mexico city and you are more than welcome to come down and test drive it. You have never heard of us because everything that we have done has always been word of mouth.

I think we all know this is somewhat unrealistic. Here is what I would suggest as alternative approach. Since you are based in CA and there are many members who reside in your neck of the woods, why not have a member come to your place of business and have you tune their car for free and then run dynos to show gains etc. Sure the master file would Techtec but each tuner would need to modify the mapping for fuel etc which I assume you do based on what the customers needs are. This way you could provide the members here with a actual example of your work and do away with all this nastiness. Anyone MBWorld member game? I would say this would be a cost-effective (maps cost nothing except for lic royality that you pay if you need to pay for temp installation) to establish creditability on MBWorld.

Dave

Originally Posted by Sirex63

Since your so close to the moderators why don't you ask them to show you my IP ? Oh wait , i might be using a change IP program. <-- typical huh

How about then i buy you a 1st class Etihad airline ticket to visit the tallest building in the world ( Khalifa tower - Dubai ) and then we can meet as your pretending your a man and wont hide behind screens hhhh !

btw , 1 paratha and karak jaldi karo chai walla hahahaha

Originally Posted by sales@ECU Tuning Group

Also, have you spoken to Pascal? I received a text from him saying you never called.

Originally Posted by sales@ECU Tuning Group

What would inspire someone to use nitrous on an amg vehicle?

Originally Posted by BAD430BENZ

Originally Posted by Techtec USA
Joseph just to clarify we are a professional organization based in NY and in Germany and will not adhere to signing up on web forums to participate in arguments between vendors. The behavior exhibited on these web forums is unprofessional and unethical to say the least especially by the representatives of these vendors who continue to argue and stipulate false information. Many potential customers who appear to be members on your message board and MBworld have asked similar questions and we (Eurotek, TechTec USA and TechTec Germany have responded on the same grounds.)

What I am about to point out are the clear hard facts and anyone who wants to contest these facts is wasting their own time and energy.

1. Eurotek Designs Inc is exclusive US partner for TechTec since inception. There are no other resellers in USA.

2. Phil the owner of Eurotek is an actual personal friend of Pascal (TechTec) unlike others who claim to know him or socialize with him.

3. Tech Tec USA is a subsidiary of Eurotek Designs Inc.

4. Eurotek Designs Inc, TechTec USA and TechTec Germany DO NOT SELL tunes to Jags Gill,ETG, Singh.

5. Jags Gil is an agent for another tuner in Germany.

6. Eurotek Designs Inc. has developed on a contract basis special AMG tuning for MHP for the last 18 months or so, anything prior to that was not done through us.

7. Jags Gil (Singh Autosport, and ETG) has no direct affiliation with our companies. Jags Gil has never spoken on the phone or in person with me, Phil in US or Pascal in Germany. Jags Gil also has never been to our development center in Germany. A handful of emails with Pascal regarding issues or purchasing tuning tools have been his only correspondence. TechTec Germany is the sole owner of the most popular tuning tool Byteshooter therefore support questions are quite common from tuners directly.

This should clarify everyone’s assumptions of our company. We strongly advise for you as the owner of a web forum not to instigate unethical behavior against our company for your supporting vendors. What you choose in regards to other companies is clearly your free reign.

If you or anyone has further questions please contact us directly to discuss. If anyone is interested in purchasing “The best and most reliable tuning solutions of hardware and software in the world” the answer is quite obvious, Eurotek/TechTec.

Regards,

Eurotek Designs Inc.

Tech Tec USA

Originally Posted by I am Jeff

It's very interesting how he questioned the fact that I spoke with Phil at Eurotek/Techtec. Jags came to this forum and immediately presented himself in a hostile manner.

First, he claims to never have heard of MHP, but he sure as hell knew a lot about Andy.

Second, he claims to be best friends with Pascal, but apparently didn't know about the relationship with Eurotek has with Techtec.

Then he tries to spin it the truth, to appear that he is the victim. I guess it's a waste of a month worth of sponsorship money. lolz

Originally Posted by GOMAN60

Everytime you guys dig something up, Jags has been able to answer it. From what I see, A lot of you seem upset that he doesnt know who MHP is and that he questioned MHP's claimed relationship to Pascal the owner of TechTec.

Ok, it came out that MHP gets their files from EuroTek, and EuroTek gets their files from TechTec. Yes, Eurotek is TechTec Germany's USA distributer. Eurotek sells Techtec files to other middlemen in the USA (MHP)

All Jags is saying is that he is friends with Pascal. And after asking Pascal if he knows Andy from MHP, Pascal said no. DONE!

I dont see what everyone's problem is. You keep attacking Jags at ETG when a lot of this stuff doesnt matter anyway.

It sucks that a lot of Jags' customers arent on the forums to back him up but I personally know he has thousands of happy customers out there. Can you all agree that not everyone gets their information from forums? I'm not sure if I'm allowed to mention them specifically, but there are certain new car dealers (Bentley and Lamborghini) in southern California that sell his tunes as part of their own upgrade package. Most Aston Martin tuners send Jags their customers ecu's to tune while selling it as their own tune. Those are just a few examples of how he spends his days so sorry if Jags has not kept up on MBWorld enough to know who some loudmouth salesman MHP is.

I know Jags @ ETG may have come off harsh. But if I was attacked and questioned, having to repeat myself over and over again I'd probably be the same way.

Everyone needs to take a breath.

ETG has a lot of offer. It would be in your best interest to give them a chance. Who cares about who knows who. I have my car tuned by ETG and it's fast. Others people with other tunes in their cars including Renntech have driven it and say its fast. No, i havent been to the track. No, i dont plan to run my car hundreds of times on the 1/4 mile to beat the current record by .01 of a second just to say I have the fastest car. But if I wanted to try, Im sure Jags would have my back.

Jags is friends with Pascal so what. Thats the truth. Who cares.
MHP is getting files from Eurotek. So what. MHP says they know Pascal. Which we all now is false. But in the end, so what...

If you want a good tune. MHP and ETG will give it to you. Except with MHP, you'll have to pay the Andy middleman tax.

Originally Posted by dodger63

Nice post, you sound as much of an *** as the guy jags. Wet your other 14 posts on this forum so educational

Originally Posted by sales@ECU Tuning Group

Once again, what would you guys like to hear? If I stood in front of Techtec HQ in Germany with Pascal with a signboard saying "Who the F%$k is MHP?" Would that make all of you happy?