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11-22-2011, 08:07 PM
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C63, C300, 911TT x 3, 911 C2 x 2, 911SC, SL65, SL500, 280SL Plus some trucks
I could care less one way or the other. But I do have an observation or two:
1. People that get their shipments impounded by customs for smuggling (if this is true) are likely to have people in SWAT uniforms come visit their shop and take everything away at some point.
2. With the above, if all the tunes come from the same guy, whoever that is, why would you send your ECU off to someone who might have everything in his place taken away in a raid at pretty much anytime in the near or distant future?
3. People that have no regard for laws in general and especially getting tangled up with the Feds probably have no problems at all jerking around their customers. Its been my experience that bad people act bad everywhere and with everyone.
I see no compelling reason to deal with these risks when the tunes appear to be the same as those from other people who don't appear to be at risk of getting raided and have apparently had good service records.
One last thing. I thing the TCU is probably unprogrammable also. But I had the guy from OE Tuning tell me it was coming a couple of months ago. Maybe its not. Maybe it will be. Don't know, don't care. Its just a data point.
Jim
1. People that get their shipments impounded by customs for smuggling (if this is true) are likely to have people in SWAT uniforms come visit their shop and take everything away at some point.
2. With the above, if all the tunes come from the same guy, whoever that is, why would you send your ECU off to someone who might have everything in his place taken away in a raid at pretty much anytime in the near or distant future?
3. People that have no regard for laws in general and especially getting tangled up with the Feds probably have no problems at all jerking around their customers. Its been my experience that bad people act bad everywhere and with everyone.
I see no compelling reason to deal with these risks when the tunes appear to be the same as those from other people who don't appear to be at risk of getting raided and have apparently had good service records.
One last thing. I thing the TCU is probably unprogrammable also. But I had the guy from OE Tuning tell me it was coming a couple of months ago. Maybe its not. Maybe it will be. Don't know, don't care. Its just a data point.
Jim
11-22-2011, 09:40 PM
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the easiest way to keep you happy is to keep your car stock and not worry about the flash . if you don't like the prices of certain things for the Mercedes , sell it and buy a CTS-V . you can always get the flash from Kleeman if you are looking for pretty good and inexpensive . if that is too much for you , then i would suggest oem .
11-22-2011, 09:47 PM
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on the sticky thread for 1/4 times oe tuning has 2 out of 3 of the top times for tunes only. propain owns a sizeable lead over the top mhp v3 time and trap listed there.
tune only would not include tires btw. and iirc both the times previously referred to above had the same tire setups anyway.
tune only would not include tires btw. and iirc both the times previously referred to above had the same tire setups anyway.
11-22-2011, 10:10 PM
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, are kinda a waste for ETs especially. traps they arent completely worthless, but could be considered close. the stock wheel and tire setup is probably why theres so much variation on the magazine ratings for what our car is capable of id guess. but for the purposes of my earlier statement, if you look at all the posted times in that thread there wasnt a single guy that didnt have tire modifications. sometimes skinnies were used, and sometimes they werent, but no cars were truly oem stock. so really we can somewhat throw tire setups out......
for comparison of propains oe tuning run, he beat the mhp v3 car by a tenth and trapped 2 mph faster. that was with the exact same tires front and rear, AND the same 60 ft time identically down to the 100th of a second...... if we were going to be basing our claims on the "facts" of those 2 personal bests alone, it could be roughly estimated and argued that his car was making 15-20whp more based on the trap. but since i dont want to argue like a jackass, i'll just make sure to make that comment as a pure hypothetical one
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11-22-2011, 10:24 PM
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whoops...i wrote that wrong. i meant just the opposite. tires arent power modifications. if anything they are equalizers for the purpose of gauging power at the track. street tires at the track, altho fun, are kinda a waste for ETs especially. traps they arent completely worthless, but could be considered close. the stock wheel and tire setup is probably why theres so much variation on the magazine ratings for what our car is capable of id guess.
but for the purposes of my earlier statement, if you look at all the posted times in that thread there wasnt a single guy that didnt have tire modifications. sometimes skinnies were used, and sometimes they werent, but no cars were truly oem stock. so really we can somewhat throw tire setups out......
for comparison of propains oe tuning run, he beat the mhp v3 car by a tenth and trapped 2 mph faster. that was with the exact same tires front and rear, AND the same 60 ft time identically down to the 100th of a second...... if we were going to be basing our claims on the "facts" of those 2 personal bests alone, it could be roughly estimated and argued that his car was making 15-20whp more based on the trap. but since i dont want to argue like a jackass, i'll just make sure to make that comment as a pure hypothetical one
, are kinda a waste for ETs especially. traps they arent completely worthless, but could be considered close. the stock wheel and tire setup is probably why theres so much variation on the magazine ratings for what our car is capable of id guess. but for the purposes of my earlier statement, if you look at all the posted times in that thread there wasnt a single guy that didnt have tire modifications. sometimes skinnies were used, and sometimes they werent, but no cars were truly oem stock. so really we can somewhat throw tire setups out......
for comparison of propains oe tuning run, he beat the mhp v3 car by a tenth and trapped 2 mph faster. that was with the exact same tires front and rear, AND the same 60 ft time identically down to the 100th of a second...... if we were going to be basing our claims on the "facts" of those 2 personal bests alone, it could be roughly estimated and argued that his car was making 15-20whp more based on the trap. but since i dont want to argue like a jackass, i'll just make sure to make that comment as a pure hypothetical one
11-22-2011, 10:37 PM
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the guys dealing with him are getting tunes on their exotics so they can go race at 150mph in mexico. its not like we're here debating whether hes gonna do our taxes or sit the kids.
11-22-2011, 10:45 PM
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11-22-2011, 10:52 PM
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Andy may be a good guy but why play childish games by posting under multiple user names. I believe that was one of the reasons he was banned on the other forum (they even said they didn't want his money as a sponsor any longer)...why was he banned here and why does he keep getting banned?
11-22-2011, 10:52 PM
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11-22-2011, 11:07 PM
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totally agree.... my only disagreement with everybody is how hes taking flak for having so many stacks that he had to stuff it in his audio speakers. thats straight baller if ask me. whats next? are we gonna knock him for too many hot chicks at the shop?
the guys dealing with him are getting tunes on their exotics so they can go race at 150mph in mexico. its not like we're here debating whether hes gonna do our taxes or sit the kids.
the guys dealing with him are getting tunes on their exotics so they can go race at 150mph in mexico. its not like we're here debating whether hes gonna do our taxes or sit the kids.
11-22-2011, 11:29 PM
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as far as the baller comment, im just trying to have a bit of goodnatured fun at jags expense. besides, guys are being to gripey on that one anyway. no dark humor intended, just the truth!..... if you ask me, stacks of cash in audio speakers is too good to pass up without some sort of reference to the cosa nostra, nba, or walker texas ranger.
this thread is just too comically good for like 12 reasons not to keep it going man.
11-22-2011, 11:38 PM
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omg... i need to work on my posting clarity. im 39, and despite being the father of 5 daughters..... i have NOT had a heart attack as of yet. the comment was meant to refer to my 1st FUTURE heart attack. id say my attempt at facetious dark humor flunked.
as far as the baller comment, im just trying to have a bit of goodnatured fun at jags expense. besides, guys are being to gripey on that one anyway. no dark humor intended, just the truth!..... if you ask me, stacks of cash in audio speakers is too good to pass up without some sort of reference to the cosa nostra, nba, or walker texas ranger.
this thread is just too comically good for like 12 reasons not to keep it going man.
as far as the baller comment, im just trying to have a bit of goodnatured fun at jags expense. besides, guys are being to gripey on that one anyway. no dark humor intended, just the truth!..... if you ask me, stacks of cash in audio speakers is too good to pass up without some sort of reference to the cosa nostra, nba, or walker texas ranger.
this thread is just too comically good for like 12 reasons not to keep it going man.
I understand the baller comment.
11-23-2011, 12:22 AM
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whoops...i wrote that wrong. i meant just the opposite. tires arent power modifications. if anything they are equalizers for the purpose of gauging power at the track. street tires at the track, altho fun, are kinda a waste for ETs especially. traps they arent completely worthless, but could be considered close. the stock wheel and tire setup is probably why theres so much variation on the magazine ratings for what our car is capable of id guess.
but for the purposes of my earlier statement, if you look at all the posted times in that thread there wasnt a single guy that didnt have tire modifications. sometimes skinnies were used, and sometimes they werent, but no cars were truly oem stock. so really we can somewhat throw tire setups out......
for comparison of propains oe tuning run, he beat the mhp v3 car by a tenth and trapped 2 mph faster. that was with the exact same tires front and rear, AND the same 60 ft time identically down to the 100th of a second...... if we were going to be basing our claims on the "facts" of those 2 personal bests alone, it could be roughly estimated and argued that his car was making 15-20whp more based on the trap. but since i dont want to argue like a jackass, i'll just make sure to make that comment as a pure hypothetical one
, are kinda a waste for ETs especially. traps they arent completely worthless, but could be considered close. the stock wheel and tire setup is probably why theres so much variation on the magazine ratings for what our car is capable of id guess. but for the purposes of my earlier statement, if you look at all the posted times in that thread there wasnt a single guy that didnt have tire modifications. sometimes skinnies were used, and sometimes they werent, but no cars were truly oem stock. so really we can somewhat throw tire setups out......
for comparison of propains oe tuning run, he beat the mhp v3 car by a tenth and trapped 2 mph faster. that was with the exact same tires front and rear, AND the same 60 ft time identically down to the 100th of a second...... if we were going to be basing our claims on the "facts" of those 2 personal bests alone, it could be roughly estimated and argued that his car was making 15-20whp more based on the trap. but since i dont want to argue like a jackass, i'll just make sure to make that comment as a pure hypothetical one
11-23-2011, 12:32 AM
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O and I'm sorry if I come across like a d,,k but I'm so tired of hearing this and that about tune only, it was a different run, I would out moneys that I could get any tune only car to bet that run on the 5th at Atco,
11-23-2011, 08:25 AM
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and then when one car slowly, consistently walks the other after they both hit that EXACT same 60'..... its a pretty safe assumption that the faster car makes more power. either that or the other guy was going partial throttle. were talking 2 automatics that nailed the same launch down to the millisecond than one pulls the other on a roll race. this isnt rocket science. one car had to be faster than the other. lets guess who.
do it. instead of coming across like a d,,k just do it. id enjoy the result as much as anybody else regardless of the outcome. just remember i dont have a stick in this fire. but no bullsh'tters allowed. throw hype out the door. i want to see results. sound familiar?
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11-23-2011, 11:01 AM
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my point wasnt really to say the tires were mostly the same. it was to say the tunes were mostly the same. but really maybe they werent.... when 2 cars nail a 1.751 60ft both on the nose, then id say that perhaps the tires WORKED OUT the same. they got the same result. who cares what the burnout or psi or launch technique is at that point.
and then when one car slowly, consistently walks the other after they both hit that EXACT same 60'..... its a pretty safe assumption that the faster car makes more power. either that or the other guy was going partial throttle. were talking 2 automatics that nailed the same launch down to the millisecond than one pulls the other on a roll race. this isnt rocket science. one car had to be faster than the other. lets guess who.
do it. instead of coming across like a d,,k just do it. id enjoy the result as much as anybody else regardless of the outcome. just remember i dont have a stick in this fire. but no bullsh'tters allowed. throw hype out the door. i want to see results. sound familiar?
and then when one car slowly, consistently walks the other after they both hit that EXACT same 60'..... its a pretty safe assumption that the faster car makes more power. either that or the other guy was going partial throttle. were talking 2 automatics that nailed the same launch down to the millisecond than one pulls the other on a roll race. this isnt rocket science. one car had to be faster than the other. lets guess who.
do it. instead of coming across like a d,,k just do it. id enjoy the result as much as anybody else regardless of the outcome. just remember i dont have a stick in this fire. but no bullsh'tters allowed. throw hype out the door. i want to see results. sound familiar?
And I'm not exactly talking about launch I'm talking about setup let's say
No bull**** at all and I show results so I think in my car?
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11-23-2011, 02:44 PM
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but clearly if propain dumped a couple hundred pounds that the others didnt it could make a difference. and for the sake of how we are acknowledging records it now appears as if simple weight reduction and rim choice has trumped the holy grail of one tune next to another. the was sort of my point to begin with.
11-23-2011, 02:51 PM
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but clearly if propain dumped a couple hundred pounds that the others didnt it could make a difference. and for the sake of how we are acknowledging records it now appears as if simple weight reduction and rim choice has trumped the holy grail of one tune next to another. the was sort of my point to begin with.
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11-23-2011, 02:57 PM
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absolutely you do show results...and on a car ive never tracked, nor really intend too except in maybe stock/ stock tune form only. im definitely gonna learn more from you than you from me. my bench racing here is only for the sake of some benign hypothetical conversation and nothing more.
but clearly if propain dumped a couple hundred pounds that the others didnt it could make a difference. and for the sake of how we are acknowledging records it now appears as if simple weight reduction and rim choice has trumped the holy grail of one tune next to another. the was sort of my point to begin with.
but clearly if propain dumped a couple hundred pounds that the others didnt it could make a difference. and for the sake of how we are acknowledging records it now appears as if simple weight reduction and rim choice has trumped the holy grail of one tune next to another. the was sort of my point to begin with.
11-23-2011, 02:59 PM
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Basically my understanding of this company is they are racist, discriminate and lack customer service. They only want high end customers who won't question their abilities... Nice
11-23-2011, 03:05 PM
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tune only records would only work if you had multiple computers flashed by different tuners and could switch them out at the track in the same car with the same driver .
11-23-2011, 06:50 PM
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id say tune and tire times done on the same track are about as much a standard as most could ever wish to hope for in a comparison. as dodger pointed out it isnt the end all but it gives a pretty damn good starting point for discussion if were just going to talk about a "flash". if that discussion isnt merited because of too many variables than the rest of it should NEVER lead to an argument..... only wild quizzical headscratching guesses as far as how much the tune makes to the difference.
11-23-2011, 06:54 PM
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My only point is this tune only record crap is worthless, cause at the end of the day the difference in driver weight and a lighter set of front tires and shells plus a few preperation secerets could eaisily net 2-3 tenths without even putting driver skill or any other hidden mods or weight reductions?
bro... youre stumping me on this one. if mhp had the record you would NOT be making the same argument here.
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11-23-2011, 08:03 PM
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so the record with the least variables besides the flash, is the one thats the most worthless, because it doesnt include other variables other than the flash? what kind of sense does that make?
bro... youre stumping me on this one. if mhp had the record you would NOT be making the same argument here.
bro... youre stumping me on this one. if mhp had the record you would NOT be making the same argument here.
11-23-2011, 08:06 PM
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I DON'T GET IT
German car forum discussing German cars but yet everybody here is concerned about the American way of doing the straight line bit: 0 - 60, block, 1/4 mile, etc. Or running around in circles; always turning the same way.
German cars are more than that; they can do curves. Not only 1 way but both ways.
I advocate for a change; put'em on a road course. At least that will introduce driver skills as well.
German cars are more than that; they can do curves. Not only 1 way but both ways.
I advocate for a change; put'em on a road course. At least that will introduce driver skills as well.
