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Old Feb 11, 2013 | 10:17 PM
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Hmm? I can't burn out or my car can't?

Hi, guys.. it's been sooooooooooo long!!
How are you guys doing?

I have a simple and stupid question..
Yesterday.. I was gonna change my tire..
so before I change it I thought I should try burnout for fun.....
then..... I tried 'BURN OUT'..

Put the gear at M1 and turned off ESP..
Then put my feet on both brake and accelerator..
I heard that I should step on brake fully til rpm goes up to 3000 then release it once it hits point..
I tried.............

BUT...... I don't know what happened.. BUT.....
it doesn't go up that well.. going up about 2500 and falling down, over n over again..
and when I saw the rear wheel through the side mirror, it was rolling but not fast enough and stopped after a lil rolling..

I thought LSD got problem..
But it doesn't seem like it since I didn't even have 1 wheel burn out..

Yes.. It was my first trying..
I have thought what I only need to do was.. just put brake n accelerator at the same time and release brake pedal when rpm hits 3000.......
So Ive been thinking I could do burnout since I got this car.......
MORON ;(

Am I doing anything wrong?

Now Im sad since I can't do burnout with this monster.. ;(

So, my goal is doing burnout w/ my baby.. haha............
Can anybody help me?
Please, no laughing..

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Old Feb 11, 2013 | 10:47 PM
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this isn't the 90s. computers have removed the ability to hold the brakes and do a burn out. they will limit the power and can also implement a rev limiter, which is what your issue sounds like. of course, this can all be removed with a knowledgeable tuner.
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Old Feb 11, 2013 | 10:48 PM
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How wide are your tires?
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Old Feb 11, 2013 | 10:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Higgs Boson
this isn't the 90s. computers have removed the ability to hold the brakes and do a burn out. they will limit the power and can also implement a rev limiter, which is what your issue sounds like. of course, this can all be removed with a knowledgeable tuner.
Oh... So to do the burnout..
I have to do something on my car!!
Is that what u mean?

But, one of my friends could do it w/ his c63 which didnt do anything but exhaust..

FYI, our both car are chipped..

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Old Feb 11, 2013 | 10:52 PM
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Originally Posted by CoolBDPhenom03
How wide are your tires?
For rear tires, they are 275..
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Old Feb 11, 2013 | 10:56 PM
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is this real life?
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Old Feb 11, 2013 | 10:58 PM
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Originally Posted by C_DirtyTwo
is this real life?
What do u mean?

Because i cant do burnout w/ c63, that doesnt mean i dont have c63 in real life!!!!!
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Old Feb 11, 2013 | 11:06 PM
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lol dude, traction control off or dyno mode, hold the break and mat the gas....brace yourself for heaps of smoke
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Old Feb 11, 2013 | 11:09 PM
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Originally Posted by C_DirtyTwo
lol dude, traction control off or dyno mode, hold the break and mat the gas....brace yourself for heaps of smoke
That's exactly what i did.. ;(

Turn esp off n hold brake n hit the gas at gear M1.. ;(
What's wrong w/ my car..........
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Old Feb 11, 2013 | 11:28 PM
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Old Feb 12, 2013 | 12:02 AM
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lol dude, traction control off or dyno mode, hold the break and mat the gas....brace yourself for heaps of smoke
This is known as a Q Tip.
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Old Feb 12, 2013 | 12:03 AM
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Put it in Sports mode, traction control off and foot to the floor, you're probably hitting your rev limiter in manual mode.
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Old Feb 12, 2013 | 12:07 AM
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Originally Posted by DimitriZ
Put it in Sports mode, traction control off and foot to the floor, you're probably hitting your rev limiter in manual mode.
Oh.. I didnt know there is rev limiter only for manual mode!!
I will try with sports mode tomorrow!! Thank you so much!!
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Dr. Q and I have been through this before if I recall...He is Korean and his English is not the best. Please bare with him, his intentions are well meant and he is serious in his posts....

ESP OFF
Foot brake off
S mode possible
Foot on break and gradual increase on accelerator up
Hear tires screetching and burn out for 30 seconds to 1 min
Burn out and slowly release brake

Good Luck Dr. Q...
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Old Feb 12, 2013 | 12:22 AM
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Originally Posted by ZephyrAMG
Dr. Q and I have been through this before if I recall...He is Korean and his English is not the best. Please bare with him, his intentions are well meant and he is serious in his posts....

ESP OFF
Foot brake off
S mode possible
Foot on break and gradual increase on accelerator up
Hear tires screetching and burn out for 30 seconds to 1 min
Burn out and slowly release brake

Good Luck Dr. Q...
Thank you sooooooooo much for ur kindness..!!
I will try!! Hehe~
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Old Feb 12, 2013 | 01:25 AM
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This is known as a Q Tip.
Hahaha. Sorry, OP, but this was funny.
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Old Feb 12, 2013 | 03:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Higgs Boson
this isn't the 90s. computers have removed the ability to hold the brakes and do a burn out. they will limit the power and can also implement a rev limiter, which is what your issue sounds like. of course, this can all be removed with a knowledgeable tuner.
It's good to know the 90's are finally gone.

However, that decade has no bearing on the '09 C63.

The most common issue is making sure the traction control is fully disengaged. My '13 will smoke the tires all day long, and my '09 could too.
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Old Feb 12, 2013 | 07:55 AM
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I have never had doing a burnout in any of my cars or a rental, for that matter.

You just need to switch off T/C completely. Hell, my GTO will break tires even with T/C on.
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Originally Posted by bhamg
This is known as a Q Tip.
ahahahahhahaahaaa well played
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Old Feb 12, 2013 | 08:13 AM
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YOu got 2 ESP mode on your car the 1st by olding the button 2 sec...
and the other that completely removes the esp by olding the button 5-10 sec
I'm not sure you able to do a burnout with the 1st esp mode
hummmmmm! burnout
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Old Feb 12, 2013 | 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by justthebest
It's good to know the 90's are finally gone.

However, that decade has no bearing on the '09 C63.

The most common issue is making sure the traction control is fully disengaged. My '13 will smoke the tires all day long, and my '09 could too.
it has no bearing on the C63 but it does have a bearing on what it sounds like his methods for a burnout are.

like i said before, you cannot do a "brake stand" on todays cars, you must release the brake, and then it is a "rolling burnout" not a true stand still burnout as there is no way to hold the brakes at the same time unless you install a line loc or get a tune....

seems pretty easy to understand what the 90s comment applies to....the change in tech, process, and logic when it comes to automotive system calibration and control.....i tune cars, race nhra/ihra, have an 09 C63 and used to do brake stands all over town every chance I got in my 1984 camaro Z28, lol. what a turd that thing was, but man with 150 hp (and that was the V8) it would smoke the tires anywhere I wanted.....of course there was no computer telling it not to spin the tires when i was touching the brakes.

one certainly doesn't need an AMG to spin tires, all you need is any combo of a hard tire, smooth surface, cold weather, water, and a liberal engine management system (which the AMG don't got)...

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I'm not sure about the 10+ model years, but as someone else said (and you can thank Toyota for this....) Modern engine logic (not human thinking, actual computer logic) now cuts the engine power when the brakes are applied while accelerating.

Again, I am not sure if MB is implementing this on their newer cars, or if it is left of the AMG model range on purpose, but the engine cutout when applying brakes is now a NHTSA requirement. This may only be for very recent model years (2012 to 2014.. not sure), but it may be earlier as well. Of course, if he is outside the US, all bets are off.
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Old Feb 12, 2013 | 09:02 AM
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Higgs, I guess you are misinformed. The C63 will do a brake stand. You do not need a line loc. Just like others said, make sure you are really have ESC off meaning you need to hold it for about 5 seconds and see in your center console a message that says ESP OFF not ESP sport.
One it is off, hold your brake and press the accelerator until you hear and feel your rear tires spin. The C63 is a burnout king.
Do this and report back to us.
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Originally Posted by jvanbrecht
I'm not sure about the 10+ model years, but as someone else said (and you can thank Toyota for this....) Modern engine logic (not human thinking, actual computer logic) now cuts the engine power when the brakes are applied while accelerating.

Again, I am not sure if MB is implementing this on their newer cars, or if it is left of the AMG model range on purpose, but the engine cutout when applying brakes is now a NHTSA requirement. This may only be for very recent model years (2012 to 2014.. not sure), but it may be earlier as well. Of course, if he is outside the US, all bets are off.
yep, it's called Brake Torque Management in most of the tables and limits the RPM and torque output (way down).

it is actually not designed to prevent burnouts, although it does by default, it is designed to prevent the engine from overpowering the brakes when you are slowing down. it has a functional safety application, it isn't meant to be a fun reducer.
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Originally Posted by emericr
Higgs, I guess you are misinformed. The C63 will do a brake stand. You do not need a line loc. Just like others said, make sure you are really have ESC off meaning you need to hold it for about 5 seconds and see in your center console a message that says ESP OFF not ESP sport.
One it is off, hold your brake and press the accelerator until you hear and feel your rear tires spin. The C63 is a burnout king.
Do this and report back to us.
I'll give it a go in a little while. It is certainly possible that the computer over rides the Brake Torque Management when you put it in the right traction mode. what i read in the op is that his rpms go up to 2500 and back down over and over again, which sounds like a rev limiter to me....a very low one. which indicates a clear interruption by the ecm.

i always remove it when i tune cars anyways, you know, for burnouts!
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