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Old Oct 3, 2013 | 05:48 PM
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The driver just traded his RR and is out looking for the bikers.
That's right. Throw the armor package with run-flat tires on this Brabus http://www.worldcarfans.com/11309096...es-g63-amg-6x6 with 700hp/708lb-ft and see which douchebag biker is going to do a brake-check in front of it.
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Old Oct 3, 2013 | 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Autosport7
illumunus I have to disagree with you here. I would say the majority of people would not have acted this way. I would say if most other people were driving, you would be hearing an entirely different story that would probably go some thing like this "Family murdered on XYZ road when crazed lunatic mob motorcyclists bombard an suv, more on the 11:00 news as John Smith is on site with investigators".

I say this because most people don't have the sense to act quick enough when they realize they are in trouble. This guy and his family are lucky he was quick witted enough to get them out of harms way.

Did he act in a reckless manor, will he be fined, possibly jailed... who knows, who the hell cares. He and his family are all alive and well. I would sit in jail knowing I saved my family if that's what it came down to.

Good on RR driver! Hero of the day if you ask me! Guys on bikes went looking for trouble, guess what, they found it! Then ignorantly enough, indicted themselves!!!
Yeah I acknowledged he was a hero and that I respect him hugely for his actions, since my nature wouldn't have reacted anywhere near how he did. If he gets fined or jailed for what he did, then man that would be one of the most pathetic things this govt has ever done.
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Old Oct 3, 2013 | 05:53 PM
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i think he took down the video but here is another link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=059HJUfa6IU#
Ignorent bikers. Riding on sidewalks, the other side of the road, and ignoring red lights?
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Old Oct 3, 2013 | 06:00 PM
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You come to my window, you better be ready to meet the business end of my Springfield XDs or one of my Glocks. If one of us has to die, it ain't gonna be me. Same deal if you break into my house...
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I second this notion down to the detail of preferred weapon of choice. I consider the Springfield XDs to be one of my best purchases when it comes to weaponry.
Having said that, I prefer to see how far the hands can take you if realistic chances are evident. Here, in this case that's not so. Outnumbered and with family, I cant say I fault the RR driver one bit.
That would be a felony to possess that where this incident happened.
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Old Oct 3, 2013 | 07:45 PM
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That would be a felony to possess that where this incident happened.
NY has a 3 1/2 year minimum sentencing for possession of a loaded firearm.
http://www.ny-criminal-defense-lawye...n-or-sale.html

If my family was in danger and discharging the gun meant 3 1/2 years, I would glady serve that time.
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Old Oct 3, 2013 | 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by I am Jeff
NY has a 3 1/2 year minimum sentencing for possession of a loaded firearm.
http://www.ny-criminal-defense-lawye...n-or-sale.html

If my family was in danger and discharging the gun meant 3 1/2 years, I would glady serve that time.
Amen to that. And I live in VA...where I need a license to own my dog but not to have a firearm. And in VA it is legal to have a loaded firearm in your vehicle without a concealed weapons permit (which I have). And if it were my day to die, you can best believe I would take some of those dudes with me...
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Old Oct 3, 2013 | 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by I am Jeff
NY has a 3 1/2 year minimum sentencing for possession of a loaded firearm.
http://www.ny-criminal-defense-lawye...n-or-sale.html

If my family was in danger and discharging the gun meant 3 1/2 years, I would glady serve that time.
Where this incident happened you cant have a firearm period. Whether it is loaded or not. You cant even have any firearm within the city limits unless you have a permit and that is a very hard thing to get in the city.
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Old Oct 3, 2013 | 09:36 PM
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Where this incident happened you cant have a firearm period. Whether it is loaded or not. You cant even have any firearm within the city limits unless you have a permit and that is a very hard thing to get in the city.
You also have to have catalytic converters on your car, but how many people have headers on this forum...the government can take my guns from my cold dead hands...
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Old Oct 3, 2013 | 11:10 PM
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What friggin law school did you drop out of??? Not sure what state you live in but in IL I can slam on my brakes whenever I want, if I get rear ended the guy that rear-ended me gets the ticket for following to close of failure to reduce speed to avoid an accident. Besides, who is to say a dog didn't jump out in front of him LOL?
I think you missed the point, which was not that he hit the brakes because the douche behind him was being.. well a douche.

It was that he left the scene of the accident afterwards, but I was doing too many things at once and I missed the part where he had called the cops.
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Old Oct 3, 2013 | 11:21 PM
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A firearm in this situation, regardless of the state and the legalities involved, would have been a huge mistake.

First off, odds are you have less ammo then there were people around.
Assuming that they do not all scatter when you start shooting, you have far too much group outside of your field of vision, and odds are considering this crowd in NYC, some of them probably were carrying illegally as well. So now you have a shootout with who knows how many people within and out of your field of vision, how many innocent bystanders would have been shot.

I'm not anti gun by any means, but this situation is more akin to a war zone with combatants in every direction and your alone. You and your family would most likely have been seriously wounded or killed. Know when to use force, and when to flee.

This was a flee case.
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Old Oct 3, 2013 | 11:55 PM
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Did you guys notice how that RR kicks *** in a split second? It just rolled over those bikes like nothing and shot off......tasteless but would be a great testimonial commercial.

Originally Posted by Autosport7
I second this notion down to the detail of preferred weapon of choice. I consider the Springfield XDs to be one of my best purchases when it comes to weaponry.
I prefer the XD(M) over the Glocks. But then again, different forum, different set of arguments. Sucks that happened to the RR. I sometimes get caught in these clusters of MCs and I just merge to the right.

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A firearm in this situation, regardless of the state and the legalities involved, would have been a huge mistake.

This was a flee case.
Agreed.

Last edited by Sincity; Oct 4, 2013 at 12:00 AM.
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Old Oct 4, 2013 | 12:25 AM
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A firearm in this situation, regardless of the state and the legalities involved, would have been a huge mistake.

First off, odds are you have less ammo then there were people around.
Assuming that they do not all scatter when you start shooting, you have far too much group outside of your field of vision, and odds are considering this crowd in NYC, some of them probably were carrying illegally as well. So now you have a shootout with who knows how many people within and out of your field of vision, how many innocent bystanders would have been shot.

I'm not anti gun by any means, but this situation is more akin to a war zone with combatants in every direction and your alone. You and your family would most likely have been seriously wounded or killed. Know when to use force, and when to flee.

This was a flee case.
There were definitely many guns in that crowd. There were probably many cops in that crowd of motorcycles out riding.
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Old Oct 4, 2013 | 06:39 PM
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Those biker punks deserve what they got and will get more of!!!

Also, I visited a RR dealer today and I think it will be the next family car.
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Old Oct 4, 2013 | 07:41 PM
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There were probably many cops in that crowd of motorcycles out riding.
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An off-duty undercover New York City police officer was among the crowd of motorcyclists on the scene as SUV driver Alexian Lien was beaten on Sunday, officials confirmed to ABC News today.

The undercover narcotics cop did not intervene in the beating out of fear that his cover would be blown, sources said.

The cop's identity has not been released by the NYPD. According to officials, the officer notified his superiors days after the incident. He was a motorcyclist who was there on his own time, they said.

The information is part of the ongoing investigation by the NYPD and the Manhattan district attorney into the confrontation and beating that happened Sunday afternoon between a group of 20 to 30 motorcyclists and Lien, caught on video and uploaded to the Internet.

The officer's involvement is also the subject of an Internal Affairs investigation, sources said.
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Old Oct 4, 2013 | 08:34 PM
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An off-duty undercover New York City police officer was among the crowd of motorcyclists on the scene as SUV driver Alexian Lien was beaten on Sunday, officials confirmed to ABC News today.

The undercover narcotics cop did not intervene in the beating out of fear that his cover would be blown, sources said.

The cop's identity has not been released by the NYPD. According to officials, the officer notified his superiors days after the incident. He was a motorcyclist who was there on his own time, they said.

The information is part of the ongoing investigation by the NYPD and the Manhattan district attorney into the confrontation and beating that happened Sunday afternoon between a group of 20 to 30 motorcyclists and Lien, caught on video and uploaded to the Internet.

The officer's involvement is also the subject of an Internal Affairs investigation, sources said.
That is quite pathetic...
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Old Oct 4, 2013 | 11:56 PM
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These people are animals in a pack mentality, mob rage. One of the most hostile situations you can ever find yourself in. Offense is the best defense.

Should've swerved left and right to take more out.

I'm sure they wanted to pull him out of the car along with his wife and child to "talk things out"

I think it would be hilarious if the next motorcycle cruise was closely followed by a huge SUV cruise following behind too lol!
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Old Oct 5, 2013 | 01:19 AM
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**** these people,

As a biker they give us such a bad name.....

I would have done the same as the Range except if they are trying to pull me out of my car and smash my window in... I am backing up and I will run over ANY one that is in my way when I feel that my life and my family is in danger.
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Old Oct 5, 2013 | 02:41 AM
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Here's an update from ABC News in the same story:

In addition, the NYPD was investigating whether there may have been as many as five off-duty police officers in the sport bike ride that ended with the alleged assault on Lien.

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Police were looking into accusations from other riders that there were more officers present.
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Old Oct 5, 2013 | 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by bhamg
Here's an update from ABC News in the same story:

In addition, the NYPD was investigating whether there may have been as many as five off-duty police officers in the sport bike ride that ended with the alleged assault on Lien.

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Police were looking into accusations from other riders that there were more officers present.
Pieces of ****.... I usually respect all cops/military/firefighters etc, but these ones are getting no respect from me.
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NYPD detective was 'active participant' in beating of SUV driver targeted by bikers: prosecutor

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Wojchiech Braszczok, 32, who once worked undercover as an Occupy Wall Street protester, now faces charges of gang assault, assault and criminal mischief after Alexian Lien was yanked from behind the wheel of his SUV and pummeled in front of his wife and 2-year-old daughter. The detective has posted bail.
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Iumunus, was that not you whining about be young and other whiney stuff about your dads got this and mom has that and going on a hiatus to grow up for like 4 pages??? Just what was that all about, thought I was reading a written account of "Days of our Lives"
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Originally Posted by Critter
Iumunus, was that not you whining about be young and other whiney stuff about your dads got this and mom has that and going on a hiatus to grow up for like 4 pages??? Just what was that all about, thought I was reading a written account of "Days of our Lives"
Really, that is just trolling, stay on topic, if you want to *****, take it to the other thread.
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He is now facing 25 years if he is convicted of the charges against him. Sucks to be him. Apparently, rank and file were not there to support this low life!
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Not sure about NY State, but many places have stiffer penalties for Law Enforcement when they commit crimes.
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