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according to MB any 229.5, .51 0r .52 is OK as long as it is 0W40 or 5W40
this is directly from MB
I posted the chart
It's interesting how we make this so complicated. 229.51 is the latest spec and is the MB recommended spec for the M156 engine. But the previous 229.5 is also still valid for our engines.
It's interesting how we make this so complicated. 229.51 is the latest spec and is the MB recommended spec for the M156 engine. But the previous 229.5 is also still valid for our engines.
Regards,
Joe
Hi Joe,
This is what I was trying to explain in my previous post. Unlike software revisions for example, 229.51 is not a later spec of 229.5. 229.51 supersedes 229.31 (oils that were originally approved for diesel engines), whereas 229.5 supersedes 229.3 (oils that were originally approved for gasoline engines).
In the past, 229.5 and 229.51 oils were mutually exclusive - the first was for gasoline and the second for diesel engines only. Recently, MB approved the 229.51 spec for use in their gasoline engines as well, but the 229.5 spec is still better for gasoline engines due to the higher ash content and HTHS values. Mobil 1 0W40 is a 229.5 spec oil whereas Mobil 1 Formula M 5W40 is a 229.51 spec oil.
I am not familiar with 229.52 so I can't comment on it, but it's also a low ash formulation so likely better suited to diesels than to gasoline engines. AFAIK the only Mobil 1 oil that meets the 229.5 spec (the "better" one for gasoline engines) and approved for the M156 engine is the 0W40.
I can't speak to the M156 engine, but my owner's manual for the 2014 MB E550 4matic with the M178 V8 allows a variety of oil viscosity combinations. See the chart on page 425 (of my English-language manual, Edition C 2014, Order no. 6515 3576 13, PN 212 585 83 00).
Above 23 degrees Fahrenheit, Mercedes permits the use of 0W-30, 0W-40, 5W-30, 5W-40, 5W-50, 10W-30, 10W-40, 10W-50, 10W-60, 15W-30, 15W-40, 15W-60, 20W-40 and 20W-50, fourteen viscosity combinations in all. There are increased approved-oil viscosity restrictions for colder temperatures.
As to Mercedes-Benz knowing all, I believe they have good but still imperfect knowledge of oils and their usability on M-B engines. Few factory and laboratory tests can perfectly duplicate the diversity of experiences that engines undergo in real life--sometimes over many decades.
I currently wonder why Eneos 0W-50 oil is not Mercedes-Benz 229.5 approved, though a review of Mobil 0W-40 versus Eneos 0W-50 specifications provides some possible hints.
Originally Posted by nielsll
Why would anyone think that they know more about the oil spec requirements of the M156 engine than the Mercedes Benz engineers? They know about every issue. The valve train, the head bolts, everything. They changed from 0-40 to 5-40 for a reason. They specified the 80 deg C requirement for a reason. They specified only 5-40 weight oil for the M156 at 229.51spec for a reason. Why would anyone think they know more about this issue than the MB engineers?
Do your own thing at your own peril and don't ***** about the cost when you pop an engine.
I use Valvoline 5-40 (229.51 spec) and add ZddPlus. ARP studs, SLS buckets, and adhere to the 80deg C. limit religiously in all my M156 Benzes.
There is actually nothing confusing when you read the PDF.......229.5 is MB approved WORLDWIDE where for Western EUROPE it is MB approved for both 229.5 AND 229.51................So yes it will be fine in any M156 engine to use both 229.5 and 229.51 (if it is ok for western countries it is ok everywhere from an engine build point of you.....it is just different emission laws between western Europe and other countries in the world)...PEOPLE need to read and stop being lazy waiting for others do the work for them...
There is actually nothing confusing when you read the PDF.......229.5 is MB approved WORLDWIDE where for Western EUROPE it is MB approved for both 229.5 AND 229.51................So yes it will be fine in any M156 engine to use both 229.5 and 229.51 (if it is ok for western countries it is ok everywhere from an engine build point of you.....it is just different emission laws between western Europe and other countries in the world)...PEOPLE need to read and stop being lazy waiting for others do the work for them...
And what legitimacy do you have to make bold statement like this and trying to scare people off? sorry i forgot you are better than AMG engineers themselves and release the latest bulletin in 2024 with the information provide...bro
And what legitimacy do you have to make bold statement like this and trying to scare people off? sorry i forgot you are better than AMG engineers themselves and release the latest bulletin in 2024 with the information provide...bro
Bro... you resurrected an 11-year-old thread that has been discussed ad nauseum and answered a gazillion times before. Chill the fück out and go back to watching television... bro.
and yet you chose to add to this with an opinion nobody has asked for...seems that you need to work on your aggressive behavior which is uncalled for, instead of trying to scare people and produce anxiety with your one line comments for some owners who have a genuine interest in the topic...and yes it is good to provide the latest information for owners on here, and apparently you have nothing else to do but put a stupid comment on here...again not surprised given the name and avatar you have chosen...worshiping satan is not good....God bless you...trully
I sometimes wonder what is better. Resurrecting a thread that was resting in peace? Or starting a new thread with the same exact topic? In this case, I see a lot of utility in resurrecting this thread on oil.
I sometimes wonder what is better. Resurrecting a thread that was resting in peace? Or starting a new thread with the same exact topic? In this case, I see a lot of utility in resurrecting this thread on oil.
The question in this thread has been asked and accurately answered several times YEARS ago.
Replying to a grave thread from 2013 that happened to have gone cold 11 years ago with the answer (everyone knows) is.... silly.
EDIT: If it's an old thread with a niche problem that the OP never reported back on with the solution (which happens a lot), and no other solutions for said problem could be found. Sure, dig it back up since someone else may have had and fixed the problem.
But isn’t it amazing after all of these years people are still so ignorant to think that only Mercedes recommended oils are the best oils. It’s still as if people don’t understand marketing agreements, and sponsorships or warranties. Sponsored Mobil water was not even sp rated until recently and years after other “non approved” oils. Those following the blind faith of the engineers that didn’t have this tech available to them, and then not changing to the better oil because of a sticker on the engine, have done their engine a disservice. Sp oils for gdi engines didn’t come out for more than a decade after the engines appeared. Those engineers created engines that will die due to bad factory recommended oil intervals with the improper chemistry. It was those same engineers that literally failed at the job of making a reliable engine, all for the profits and pocketbooks of the manufactures… or due to their own ignorance of believing that they as engineers actually built engines correctly. Remember that most so-called engineers live within the box, not outside of it. Unfortunately, most of these threads are trash, filled with opinions and not science, chemistry, or facts. Fortunately, these threads also allow us to see who never to buy a vehicle from. So we are down to the hard choice of buying a vehicle that was maintained with the improper oil as specced by the engineers who created an engine that fails or buying from those that followed along for that ride, or buying from sellers that did short oil changes with the proper chemistry, regardless of brand or approval, or stickers or rewards or place of origin or family connection.
Last edited by Baltistyle; Nov 1, 2024 at 07:40 AM.
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Originally Posted by fabc63
And what legitimacy do you have to make bold statement like this and trying to scare people off? sorry i forgot you are better than AMG engineers themselves and release the latest bulletin in 2024 with the information provide...bro
Just use WD40 as an additive and you can use any oil.
But isn’t it amazing after all of these years people are still so ignorant to think that only Mercedes recommended oils are the best oils. It’s still as if people don’t understand marketing agreements, and sponsorships or warranties. Sponsored Mobil water was not even sp rated until recently and years after other “non approved” oils. Those following the blind faith of the engineers that didn’t have this tech available to them, and then not changing to the better oil because of a sticker on the engine, have done their engine a disservice. Sp oils for gdi engines didn’t come out for more than a decade after the engines appeared. Those engineers created engines that will die due to bad factory recommended oil intervals with the improper chemistry. It was those same engineers that literally failed at the job of making a reliable engine, all for the profits and pocketbooks of the manufactures… or due to their own ignorance of believing that they as engineers actually built engines correctly. Remember that most so-called engineers live within the box, not outside of it. Unfortunately, most of these threads are trash, filled with opinions and not science, chemistry, or facts. Fortunately, these threads also allow us to see who never to buy a vehicle from. So we are down to the hard choice of buying a vehicle that was maintained with the improper oil as specced by the engineers who created an engine that fails or buying from those that followed along for that ride, or buying from sellers that did short oil changes with the proper chemistry, regardless of brand or approval, or stickers or rewards or place of origin or family connection.
Originally Posted by Baltistyle
You’ve spelled thank you wrong. Perhaps today in elementary school they can teach you at recess. Education is important. For you to become personally offended is quite sad. Ask for more nap time today. You can use whatever crap oil you want while following the lemmings off the cliff. If you were able to read what I wrote, you’d understand this isn’t about me. Way to make it about you. Continue to use bad oils based on outdated recommendations until your current savior updates their marketing. Enjoy your walnuts and new cylinder heads. Everyone else was able to read into the fact that marketing and approvals of products by a corporation are not generally accurate, relevant, or the best for every use case. Those recommendations are for an agenda which has nothing to do with the long life of an engine.
Wait... I am confused. The engineers / tribologists that are the only people on the planet that have the proper education to create the oils for a specific engine are all quacks, but education is important? Or do you mean only elementary school education - which you have apparently completed but have obviously gone no further - is the important one? Please tell us... it is obviously too late for those of us that actually did go to school and studied engineering or medicine that are irrelevant, but we may still be able to pull our children out of university and save them from years of suffering. Please help.
Diabolis might be on to something here. Planned obsolescence was once very real, and a lot of that movement probably came from the poor reputation of goods manufactured in China. In reaction, the markets, and the customers looked for durability, reliability, and dependability. Now it seems like we are back to a planned obsolescence program, that is taking advantage of disposability. Quite a lot of products today, especially electronics, are manufactured in such a way as to make repair difficult if not impossible, and make it less expensive to replace a product in need of repair. What real incentive do auto manufacturers have in making their engines last forever? A little bit of incentive might come from liability considerations. A bigger incentive would be to build into their products, a constant need for replacement parts, and at some time sooner rather than later, replacing the whole engine. A good way to go about this strategy, is to not necessarily endorse oils, that would extend engine life. That strategy also offloads some liability concerns.
Diabolis might be on to something here. Planned obsolescence was once very real, and a lot of that movement probably came from the poor reputation of goods manufactured in China. In reaction, the markets, and the customers looked for durability, reliability, and dependability. Now it seems like we are back to a planned obsolescence program, that is taking advantage of disposability. Quite a lot of products today, especially electronics, are manufactured in such a way as to make repair difficult if not impossible, and make it less expensive to replace a product in need of repair. What real incentive do auto manufacturers have in making their engines last forever? A little bit of incentive might come from liability considerations. A bigger incentive would be to build into their products, a constant need for replacement parts, and at some time sooner rather than later, replacing the whole engine. A good way to go about this strategy, is to not necessarily endorse oils, that would extend engine life. That strategy also offloads some liability concerns.
They also advertise longer intervals to make ownership "easier" and visits are less frequent, you only have to come to the dealership once every year to service your MB. For example, there was a time when some MB models in Canada run 20,000 KMs intervals.
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