S Model C63 AMG Confirmed
03-28-2014, 09:16 AM
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S Model C63 AMG Confirmed
http://www.emercedesbenz.com/autos/m...-in-the-works/
The Mercedes C63 AMG Sedan, which will be unveiled in October, is set to receive its power from a V8 4.0-liter twin-turbo engine that’s capable of outputting around 480 bhp (358 kW) – but that’s the standard model. LeftLaneNews recently reported that a source close to Mercedes-Benz revealed to them that there will be a more powerful “S” version with larger brakes and different interior & exterior styling.
None of the two cars will be offered with a dual-clutch transmission since Coupled with high-developement costs and the fact that Mercedes-Benz doesn’t believe there is enough customer demand for a dual-clutch transmission, neither the standard AMG nor a “S” model will be offered as such.
http://www.emercedesbenz.com/autos/m...-in-the-works/
The Mercedes C63 AMG Sedan, which will be unveiled in October, is set to receive its power from a V8 4.0-liter twin-turbo engine that’s capable of outputting around 480 bhp (358 kW) – but that’s the standard model. LeftLaneNews recently reported that a source close to Mercedes-Benz revealed to them that there will be a more powerful “S” version with larger brakes and different interior & exterior styling.
None of the two cars will be offered with a dual-clutch transmission since Coupled with high-developement costs and the fact that Mercedes-Benz doesn’t believe there is enough customer demand for a dual-clutch transmission, neither the standard AMG nor a “S” model will be offered as such.
http://www.emercedesbenz.com/autos/m...-in-the-works/
03-28-2014, 10:02 AM
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Not enough demand for a DCT?! What are they smoking?! Their C-class survey page on the AMG private lounge is FILLED with people complaining about the transmission and oil cooling issues as well as having an LSD as an option. WTF, Mercedes...doesn't sound like I have any reason to jump ship on my W204 C63.
03-28-2014, 10:20 AM
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Not enough demand for a DCT?! What are they smoking?! Their C-class survey page on the AMG private lounge is FILLED with people complaining about the transmission and oil cooling issues as well as having an LSD as an option. WTF, Mercedes...doesn't sound like I have any reason to jump ship on my W204 C63.
03-28-2014, 12:17 PM
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S Model means AWD right ? If so that'd be awesome !!
About the dual clutch... I believe if mercedes could fix the software on their MCT, it could be a lot better. Or give us a ZF Auto
About the dual clutch... I believe if mercedes could fix the software on their MCT, it could be a lot better. Or give us a ZF Auto
03-28-2014, 01:05 PM
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I wonder is "S" model, means no AWD for Australia. (as demonstrated with E63S)
No DCT? Thats crap. I think they will have DCT. How can they leave it out?
Dont get too tied up in rumors.
No DCT? Thats crap. I think they will have DCT. How can they leave it out?
Dont get too tied up in rumors.
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03-28-2014, 02:19 PM
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So is the base E63.
The S is just a trim / power level. Nothing to do with 4Matic.
In Europe, you can get E63, E63 4Matic, E63 S, E63 S 4Matic.
RHD nations don't get 4 Matic as the half shaft gets in the way of the steering colunm.
The S is just a trim / power level. Nothing to do with 4Matic.
In Europe, you can get E63, E63 4Matic, E63 S, E63 S 4Matic.
RHD nations don't get 4 Matic as the half shaft gets in the way of the steering colunm.
03-28-2014, 03:27 PM
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Indeed you're right. I just checked and the base E63 is 4Matic too here in Canada. So I guess the S model is just another name for the performance pack
03-28-2014, 04:50 PM
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There is even an "S" next to the AMG emblem, similar to the special black series emblems.
Btw: According to a car I pass last week Mercedes made an E500 Black Series AMG. Who knew?!
Btw: According to a car I pass last week Mercedes made an E500 Black Series AMG. Who knew?!
03-28-2014, 05:13 PM
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Don't like it. It looks the same as our C63's. They can change the shape of the exhaust tips and holes in the bumpers but less real content. There is no demand for a mini v8 with fans. We bought C63s becaause of larger motor and instant torque. A little irritated we have to spend thousands to bring the motors back up designed tune. The older Es had 550 hp from the same motor and it was detuned. If I was younger and able to do like I use to no problem. I like my autos finished not pieced together with exhaust that won't tuck up like factory and so on. Might as well trade for the GTR and let Renntech, for too much, tune it up or sell something and buy the Lambo.
03-28-2014, 06:06 PM
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I wouldn't really call some random news website a confirmation, but looking at the E63 you can see what's in store for the c63. The S model is just a designation for the performance package.
If the base c63 has 480, then the S should have at least 507 (to beat last gen's highest model), and that leaves 40ish hp for some other trim level. The C63 can't have more hp than the base e63 (550) and it likely won't have AWD either - they don't want to cannabalize e63 sales.
If the base c63 has 480, then the S should have at least 507 (to beat last gen's highest model), and that leaves 40ish hp for some other trim level. The C63 can't have more hp than the base e63 (550) and it likely won't have AWD either - they don't want to cannabalize e63 sales.
03-28-2014, 07:26 PM
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Don't like it. It looks the same as our C63's. They can change the shape of the exhaust tips and holes in the bumpers but less real content. There is no demand for a mini v8 with fans. We bought C63s becaause of larger motor and instant torque. A little irritated we have to spend thousands to bring the motors back up designed tune. The older Es had 550 hp from the same motor and it was detuned. If I was younger and able to do like I use to no problem. I like my autos finished not pieced together with exhaust that won't tuck up like factory and so on. Might as well trade for the GTR and let Renntech, for too much, tune it up or sell something and buy the Lambo.
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Don't like it. It looks the same as our C63's. They can change the shape of the exhaust tips and holes in the bumpers but less real content. There is no demand for a mini v8 with fans. We bought C63s becaause of larger motor and instant torque. A little irritated we have to spend thousands to bring the motors back up designed tune. The older Es had 550 hp from the same motor and it was detuned. If I was younger and able to do like I use to no problem. I like my autos finished not pieced together with exhaust that won't tuck up like factory and so on. Might as well trade for the GTR and let Renntech, for too much, tune it up or sell something and buy the Lambo.
03-29-2014, 01:44 AM
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Don't like it. It looks the same as our C63's. They can change the shape of the exhaust tips and holes in the bumpers but less real content. There is no demand for a mini v8 with fans. We bought C63s becaause of larger motor and instant torque. A little irritated we have to spend thousands to bring the motors back up designed tune. The older Es had 550 hp from the same motor and it was detuned. If I was younger and able to do like I use to no problem. I like my autos finished not pieced together with exhaust that won't tuck up like factory and so on. Might as well trade for the GTR and let Renntech, for too much, tune it up or sell something and buy the Lambo.
03-29-2014, 11:51 AM
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03-29-2014, 05:25 PM
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True. Correct me if I'm wrong but that's still an upgrade over the 235/255 setup on the W204, isn't it?
And I agree, while it'd be nice to have wider rubber from the factory, it's not that hard to upgrade the tires after purchase.
On a side note, while the vast majority of members here have excellent wheel/tire setups, some of the tire sizes guys run with are comical. They'll go for wide-*** tires but choose a less than stellar manufacturer and wonder why the improvement isn't more substantial. Or they'll get the wrong size and then be baffled by the sudden diminished performance (rubbing, harsh ride, etc.).
And I agree, while it'd be nice to have wider rubber from the factory, it's not that hard to upgrade the tires after purchase.
On a side note, while the vast majority of members here have excellent wheel/tire setups, some of the tire sizes guys run with are comical. They'll go for wide-*** tires but choose a less than stellar manufacturer and wonder why the improvement isn't more substantial. Or they'll get the wrong size and then be baffled by the sudden diminished performance (rubbing, harsh ride, etc.).
03-31-2014, 01:46 AM
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Not enough demand for a DCT?! What are they smoking?! Their C-class survey page on the AMG private lounge is FILLED with people complaining about the transmission and oil cooling issues as well as having an LSD as an option. WTF, Mercedes...doesn't sound like I have any reason to jump ship on my W204 C63.
Once you take the numbers into account, a DCT would be a rather expensive proposition for an entry-level AMG car that would probably have to cost $15K more in order for MB to recoup their R&D costs on the same, seeing as it would definitely negatively impact the number of vehicles they would sell. I hate to point this out, but people that are after a proper weekend track warrior where the 0.05 second gain in shift time matters all buy an M3 without a sunroof instead.
03-31-2014, 02:42 AM
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True. Correct me if I'm wrong but that's still an upgrade over the 235/255 setup on the W204, isn't it?
And I agree, while it'd be nice to have wider rubber from the factory, it's not that hard to upgrade the tires after purchase.
On a side note, while the vast majority of members here have excellent wheel/tire setups, some of the tire sizes guys run with are comical. They'll go for wide-*** tires but choose a less than stellar manufacturer and wonder why the improvement isn't more substantial. Or they'll get the wrong size and then be baffled by the sudden diminished performance (rubbing, harsh ride, etc.).
And I agree, while it'd be nice to have wider rubber from the factory, it's not that hard to upgrade the tires after purchase.
On a side note, while the vast majority of members here have excellent wheel/tire setups, some of the tire sizes guys run with are comical. They'll go for wide-*** tires but choose a less than stellar manufacturer and wonder why the improvement isn't more substantial. Or they'll get the wrong size and then be baffled by the sudden diminished performance (rubbing, harsh ride, etc.).
The people that spend their time on the AMG PL are all car aficionados and very passionate about our toys, and we want only the best from MB regardless of price. Yet, from what I've heard, real car enthusiasts amount to some 5-6% of the total number of AMG vehicles sold. The remaining 94-95% that buy AMGs couldn't give a rats' behind if it had bias-ply tires and drum brakes for as long as it has an AMG badge and numbers they can boast about. If you need proof, just look at the ridiculously high number of cars that are sold without a simple LSD, an absolutely essential thing to have if you're going to do any kind of real-world performance driving. The P30 option with the 10mm lower suspension and harsher ride was completely discontinued in the US after the initial year or two because nobody wanted it.
Once you take the numbers into account, a DCT would be a rather expensive proposition for an entry-level AMG car that would probably have to cost $15K more in order for MB to recoup their R&D costs on the same, seeing as it would definitely negatively impact the number of vehicles they would sell. I hate to point this out, but people that are after a proper weekend track warrior where the 0.05 second gain in shift time matters all buy an M3 without a sunroof instead.
Once you take the numbers into account, a DCT would be a rather expensive proposition for an entry-level AMG car that would probably have to cost $15K more in order for MB to recoup their R&D costs on the same, seeing as it would definitely negatively impact the number of vehicles they would sell. I hate to point this out, but people that are after a proper weekend track warrior where the 0.05 second gain in shift time matters all buy an M3 without a sunroof instead.
03-31-2014, 03:33 AM
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The people that spend their time on the AMG PL are all car aficionados and very passionate about our toys, and we want only the best from MB regardless of price. Yet, from what I've heard, real car enthusiasts amount to some 5-6% of the total number of AMG vehicles sold. The remaining 94-95% that buy AMGs couldn't give a rats' behind if it had bias-ply tires and drum brakes for as long as it has an AMG badge and numbers they can boast about. If you need proof, just look at the ridiculously high number of cars that are sold without a simple LSD, an absolutely essential thing to have if you're going to do any kind of real-world performance driving. The P30 option with the 10mm lower suspension and harsher ride was completely discontinued in the US after the initial year or two because nobody wanted it.
Once you take the numbers into account, a DCT would be a rather expensive proposition for an entry-level AMG car that would probably have to cost $15K more in order for MB to recoup their R&D costs on the same, seeing as it would definitely negatively impact the number of vehicles they would sell. I hate to point this out, but people that are after a proper weekend track warrior where the 0.05 second gain in shift time matters all buy an M3 without a sunroof instead.
Once you take the numbers into account, a DCT would be a rather expensive proposition for an entry-level AMG car that would probably have to cost $15K more in order for MB to recoup their R&D costs on the same, seeing as it would definitely negatively impact the number of vehicles they would sell. I hate to point this out, but people that are after a proper weekend track warrior where the 0.05 second gain in shift time matters all buy an M3 without a sunroof instead.
Can't agree with u more
