tofu-

Your theories are cute and you must be having a blast using what you learned in highschool AP physics, but please stop trying to refute hard data just for the sake of argument. It's absurdly annoying. It also gives the BMW guys more fodder to laugh at us.

Ingenieur

I know who does the sportauto tests
0-124 13.5 vs 13.7
Apparently it's not quicker
Time will tell

tofu-

ROFL

c63 does NOT trap 118mph stock. you're nuts

Ingenieur

Not my theories
Newton et al
All of ours
At least those who understand them

You care if people laugh at you?
I'm laughing right now lol lolo

Here's fact
Sportauto
0-124
M4 13.7
C63 13.5
Fact

Ingenieur

I said close
Some have done 116 or 117
Even if only 115
Does not account for 600 lbs and 10% more torque
Fact
13.5 vs 13.7 from a verifiable source

CarHopper

Just in case you forgot... "Cost must be equal too for a valid comparison"

Last time I checked, 3k+67k = 70k which is what you have quoted for your m4. And my honda will be faster.

You've taken such an analytic approach to everything you said in this thread so far. Data this, this weighs this with this power and xyz factorial 91 - the rotational mass of the earth means the C63 is 2 tenths quicker. Therefore, there is nothing wrong with me saying 3+67=70 and that my 70 is better than your 70.

A 507 is still north of 80k...
A standard C63 that is a 2013/14 is right at that 70k.
A m3/m4 will run between 70-80k.

So, in terms of your value needing to be equal I'm pretty sure you yourself are saying that this fair comparison is indeed not fair.

I understand your argument is to buy an 09 c63 for 40k and dump 30k into it. So what's wrong with my honda proposal?

Look, I don't want to sit here and argue. But saying it is unfair to compare a 2014 w204 c63 to the 2015 m3/m4 is ridiculous. As far as price point, do we even know what the w205 is going to start at? If the CLA45 is in the 60's I can only imagine what the price is going to be for the C.

Just say you hate BMW because BMW and this will all make sense.

tofu-

you really need to quit throwing ETs out as data, as if they actually matter in regards to weight:power ratio.

115mph vs 118mph is a world of a difference. To put things in perspective, a tuned c63 only nets about 3-4mph trap speed.

tofu-

you know what... it's Sunday. I'm gonna throw maturity out the window and tell you straight up:

You're a freaking moron, Ingenieur.

CarHopper

Wait, you mean a 3mph difference in trap speeds when you're talking 115mph+ is a big difference? What formula did you use? I'm going to need your credible sources

Inegenieur... Fun and games here. Just lightening things up a tad

tofu-

newton's 3rd law of racecar

CarHopper

Very well. Carry on

Ingenieur

I've owned 6 BMW's
Over 30 years
1/2 mil miles
Probably the best car in the world
Far superior engineering to MB
I'm not a fan boy like you
The numbers are bs and you can't sniff it
Uninformed masses lol

Your logic: get a superbike for 20k valid
A lightly modded vs new m4
A highly modded civicvs m4???
Take them to a road course

Here's a fact, Explain it
0-124
M4 13.7
507 13.5
600 lbs
More torque
Bigger tires
Dct
But the 507 is faster
No one has yet explained this

Ingenieur

Not big when one car has
More torque
600lbs lighter
Better tranny w/ launch control
Wider stickier tires

What do you think 3 mph is worth in a 4200 lb car???

CarHopper

I said it was all fun and games so the name calling is very, very, hurtful. I can't take it anymore!!!

To clarify, I'm really not a fan boy to anything. I'm actually somewhat happy with myself with the fact that I can look past a brand name to judge a car.

Did you look into the drag coefficients? Because, you know, that's a thing.

Otherwise you could factor in things like... were cars tested in same place, same time, same temp, same humidity, same degree of slope of the road, same warm up and cool down periods, same driver, etc etc etc.

Mess up a couple of those and there are your 2 tenths.

Ingenieur

And yet ny feces is smarter than you
Go figure

I own you
I control you emotionally
I don't want the responsibility you lip reading mouth breathing imbecile
Civil enough lol

CarHopper

~40whp

tofu-

it's actually less than a 400lb difference between the 507 and m4 DCT

507 curb weight = 3935 lbs.
m4 curb weight = 3,585 lb

but if you want a rough estimate, i'd say each tenth of a second is worth about 10whp.

CarHopper

Are you using a cell phone? Because your posts come up with a sentence or thought per line. Off topic, but just wondering

tofu-

I mean... yeah if we want to take the hard route and ignore vbox data. I don't understand why he's going all Bill Nye when we have trap speeds available which pretty much fall in line with claimed hp numbers and weight

Ingenieur

Cf at these v not a real factor
But would favor the m, if not equal
Sport auto will have them

Cars were
Same driver
Same location
Same basic alt density
Same methods

Time will tell
m4 my wag 12.2/117 at best

Ingenieur

Yes

CarHopper

^Whew.

So what was the question? I forgot what we were even saying at this point?

Ingenieur

Sportauto shows a 268 kg delta

tofu-

In a nutshell, basically there's a mass conspiracy to cover up how slow the m4 really is. And we can thank one driver, who did a lap in the 507 and m4, for uncovering it.

brought to you by Fox news.

Ingenieur

The driver is one of the best in the world for sportscar driving
Better than any of us will ever be
1000's of ring laps
Works for probably the most authoritative car mag

So yes
He has infinitely more credability than you