alexmtl

I saw this article on bimmerpost and I thought that's quite impressive. So that would mean the M4 actually makes about 480hp at the crank!

http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1000835

zibby43

Yep. The new M3 and M4 are seriously fast cars.

With much more torque now, W204 owners better keep an eye peeled.

The W205 better pack a serious punch.

avery.whss

ain't nothin http://www.weistec.com/m156scs3.html can't fix

zibby43

True. That said, while I love seeing the awesome project cars on this forum, if I was going to fork out that kind of money, I would just go E63-S/M5, keep my warranty, and call it a day.

For those of us that lease for only a few years before changing it up, spending $$$ on mods is like setting $$$ on fire.

Petakii63

A w204 with headers and tune would walk it

an_DREW

Impressive #'s. The w205 should be a beast if history repeats itself with the competition between M and AMG

Can't wait to see what they're capable of producing with full bolt ons and tune.

JumpinJim

Not likely. The M3 weighs considerably less than the C63, the M4 even more so. BMW seems to have put together a great package with the new M3/4. Ball is in AMGs court now.

avery.whss

theres a S/C M3 in my city thats running 530whp with a supercharger..pretty sure I could keep up with him with just a tune and no headers, I kept up with and pulled my friends R32 GTR running 500 -ish AWHP

The thing is...yeah have all the HP you want, if you don't have torque it doesn't mean anything.

CarHopper

My favorite kind of argument.

If you're going to put headers and a tune on a C63 then put downpipes and a tune on the m3.

Give credit where credit is deserved. Mod for mod the m3 is going to be faster than the c63. However, it will sound like straight up poopy doing so.

CarHopper

Going to be the same old song and dance. M3 is faster around a track, C63 faster in a straight line.

C63 loud and in your face. M3 farting along.

HOWEVER, bmw is winning in the style department now. The w204 is far better look than any rendering of the w205 that I've seen.

Petakii63

It's not an argument. And, I never said it's a bad car and I never knocked it. I think it's a fantastic looking machine. And, I can care less about how fast and light it is. figures on paper mean nothing to me. It all matters how the car drives and if YOU like it. If I want to be an egotistical a$$ and have the fastest car on the road, I'll contact weistec and have them build me a stage 3 monster and on top of it have the soundtrack to match it. Different strokes for different folks.

CarHopper

In this case, I use argument as a way to portray reasoning or disagreement. Not saying "Hey we are fighting and so breaking up!"

Ha, anyway, just saying that people shouldn't compare modified cars to unmodified cars. Obviously you can, but it isn't necessarily a fair fight.

Also, the fastest car on the road debate is just too open ended. I completely agree though, everyone has their own taste.

I was just simply stating that a w204 c63 w/ headers and a tune vs a stock m3 isn't a fair fight and even then I don't think the c63 would walk all over the new M. Might win, but not by bus lengths depending on the distance.

Petakii63

Having a boosted car vs a NA car isn't necessarily a fair fight either.

I think the new m3/m4 have lost soul compared to it's predessesor. Sure, it's making the power now finally. But, as they said while, they tested it against the 507. That something is just lacking there of from the bmw. It wasn't as much of a drivers car as the c63. Sure, the c63 is dated but it had something that had captured many enthusiasts... And that's because it was built with soul. Sad to say I feel as if many upcoming cars will never be the same... Sure they will make more power but power isn't everything. At, the end of the day everyone is in what they perceive is "drivers" car.

Ezec63

Look at terry from Burger Tuning numbers he's had the car and tuned it already running 1/4 of a tank of E85. The numbers you see are in STD correction when the industry standard is SAE they would go down to about 415 wheel SAE still very good. He ran the car stock on VBOX and it trapped 118 very good but a tune only c63 has pulled over 120 on vbox (John and Propain).

Now modified cars he ran the m4 on his piggyback tune with E25 fuel which he said would put him around 490 wheel STD(big octane boost) and trapped 124 again very good. My c63 coupe with headers row air box and tune touched 125 on vbox through the quarter mile in 60 degree temps. So very similar numbers and other have hit 124+ on vbox and strip with just headers + tune. Def won't win by bus lengths and it will be one hell of a race but the old w204 is still doing OK

CarHopper

^ Not saying the C isn't doing ok. Neither one of these cars is going to "walk all over" the other.

And sure, power isn't everything. But there is some serious technology in newer cars. The N/A world is fun indeed. I had the C63 and I still have my RS4. But this new bi/twin turbo tech in larger displacement engines are just going banana's on only a tune.

As for N/A vs FI not being a fair fight... why not? Both are stock.

Right now the "new'' sedans leading the way are the m5/rs7/e63s. If you have the money those are the cars people have been grabbing up. Again, I have absolutely no hate for the C63. I'm actually heavily considering buying another one to replace my RS4. I just haven't quite made up my mind on how much I want to spend.

On a side note, bms is awesome. Jb4 + downpipes in my 1 series and I had 1 hell of a car for the money.

Ezec63

I get what your saying buddy just pointing out some numbers so everyone can get some perspective of what they will face on the road ! Have said it before I'm very impressed with the m4 and BMW did a great job improving on the e92. Now like you said the ball is in AMGs court but with 2 extra cylinders and 33% more displacement (7200 rpm redline) i would put my money on the w205 taking the straight line battles if i was a betting man. We shall see

N/A vs FI is a fair fight and for outright power there is NO doubt FI will always win in the end. For me i also enjoy the ripping sound and feel of a great N/A engine puts a smile on my face. That said I have a c7 z06 on order that is FI and will stomp on both of these cars. If your just after outright speed there is much better cars than the m4 or c63

BiturboSF

It may look good & make good power but dang it, I cannot get over how it sounds

C63DaKine

did some guy in the background yell..."it sounds like my prius"... lol

Im sure its a wonderful car... , I mean I had three BMW's prior...330/ M3 x2... but seriously... it sounds like rice burner...

Conv_GSDriver

Theres a sweet spot in the TQ band from 3k rpms to 5500, stays right around 400 ft/lbs torque through that range.

Ingenieur

Not buying it
No wsy would BMW under rate the car by 60 HP / 25 lb ft
Why? Marketing is all about the numbers these days
With those numbers and low weight should run 11.5/120+
We'll see

Ingenieur

Cost must be equal too for a valid comparison
70k for the m4
Used c63 plus the balance in mods
C63 will suck its windows out

Kriston

The New M3/4 will be a quick car. The weight reduction + considerable more tq down low in the power band will have many thrilled with the perception of a faster M car. When in reality they are simply catching up to competition. I love the new design, and Im sure it will look stellar on the road.

However, if you do mod the C63, it really has no chance. Lets see what the tuners have in stock with the new M's.

I figured, Flash tune / headers / exhaust / intake / larger turbo + piping etc. Good for 600ish wheel HP on the M. Thats stage 2 territory for us.

Ingenieur

Sportauto m4 supertest
O-100km/h 4.2 sec
0-160kmh 8.8 sec
0-200kmh 13.7 sec
DCT, ceramic brakes

Lets find the same for the 2007 non PP C63
4.6
9.6
14.6

Does that difference sound like a 600 lb lighter car with more HP?
So a 7 year newer design is < 1 sec faster to 124 mph

CMC-63

That sounds absolutely ****ing horrible...

Did the design team hear that and say "Damn! That's exactly how I want my flagship car to sound!"
And that dude that screamed "Sounds like my prius" cracked me the **** up

But besides that, I am quite jealous. Us AMG owners hold the bragging rights to power and torque, but with bimmers like this on the road, I might have to think twice before I slam my foot down.

OlegKouz

I won't...every time I see an M3 on the road I always be sure to make my presence known....guess I need to get some headers just to be safe against these new ones

And the guy trolling the sound was hilarious!