M3/M4's making some big power
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All the numbers prove are the cars are approximately the same speed
But the M4 has at least 10% more P and T (according to you) and weighs 10% less
But same speed
The reason? The m is lighter but has less torque so they cancel
Result? Same speed
The 150 is no different than the 1/4
Both standing start
Except one uses another gear or 2
And both teams of engineers know how to select ratios lol
Both cars run in air so both have drag losses
Traction is not a factor in the higher gears
6 year old base C63 22.8
Lighter, more powerful, LSD, wider tired, newer M4 23.3
The M's rating is accurate 425/406
The new C63 will humiliate the M4
But it will actually have close to 500/500
At least closer than 425/406
But the M4 has at least 10% more P and T (according to you) and weighs 10% less
But same speed
The reason? The m is lighter but has less torque so they cancel
Result? Same speed
The 150 is no different than the 1/4
Both standing start
Except one uses another gear or 2
And both teams of engineers know how to select ratios lol
Both cars run in air so both have drag losses
Traction is not a factor in the higher gears
6 year old base C63 22.8
Lighter, more powerful, LSD, wider tired, newer M4 23.3
The M's rating is accurate 425/406
The new C63 will humiliate the M4
But it will actually have close to 500/500
At least closer than 425/406
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All the numbers prove are the cars are approximately the same speed
But the M4 has at least 10% more P and T (according to you) and weighs 10% less
But same speed
The reason? The m is lighter but has less torque so they cancel
Result? Same speed
The 150 is no different than the 1/4
Both standing start
Except one uses another gear or 2
And both teams of engineers know how to select ratios lol
Both cars run in air so both have drag losses
Traction is not a factor in the higher gears
6 year old base C63 22.8
Lighter, more powerful, LSD, wider tired, newer M4 23.3
The M's rating is accurate 425/406
The new C63 will humiliate the M4
But it will actually have close to 500/500
At least closer than 425/406
But the M4 has at least 10% more P and T (according to you) and weighs 10% less
But same speed
The reason? The m is lighter but has less torque so they cancel
Result? Same speed
The 150 is no different than the 1/4
Both standing start
Except one uses another gear or 2
And both teams of engineers know how to select ratios lol
Both cars run in air so both have drag losses
Traction is not a factor in the higher gears
6 year old base C63 22.8
Lighter, more powerful, LSD, wider tired, newer M4 23.3
The M's rating is accurate 425/406
The new C63 will humiliate the M4
But it will actually have close to 500/500
At least closer than 425/406
I said they've got about the same HP. Yes it has more torque. How much of that extra torque is usable? No idea. I've never driven it.
OF COURSE the new C63 will embarrass the M4 in a straight line. That's what AMG does. We all know that.
I'm going to say it for the 3rd or 4th time:
I'm not in here claiming to know what the BMW's dyno numbers are. I haven't seen enough graphs of it in the wild. The car hasn't been out long enough.
I'm just saying they're 100% not 425/406 at the crank. No way in hell. It's underrated from the factory.
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'10 P30 C63 AMG
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C&D also got a 12.3 at 117 out of a PP.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...ment-pack-test
SAME MAG!??!/one!!MagaZineRaZcors!
Motortrend got a 12.4 at 114.8 out of the C63 P31, and a 12.1 @ 117.8 out of the M4.
WHAAATTT!!?!?
Did these tests not occur in a vacuum, all starting at the exact same time with the exact same driver!?!? BUT MAGAZINES! FORMULAS! /engineers
As evidenced by that M4 time slip, 12.0 at 119mph is with a 2.0+ 60ft in the heat. With more people driving them, you'll start seeing 11.8-11.9's at 121-122.
I'm not in here claiming to know what the BMW's dyno numbers are. I haven't seen enough graphs. The car hasn't been out long enough.
I'm just saying they're 100% not 425/406 at the crank. No way in hell.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...ment-pack-test
SAME MAG!??!/one!!MagaZineRaZcors!
Motortrend got a 12.4 at 114.8 out of the C63 P31, and a 12.1 @ 117.8 out of the M4.
WHAAATTT!!?!?
Did these tests not occur in a vacuum, all starting at the exact same time with the exact same driver!?!? BUT MAGAZINES! FORMULAS! /engineers
As evidenced by that M4 time slip, 12.0 at 119mph is with a 2.0+ 60ft in the heat. With more people driving them, you'll start seeing 11.8-11.9's at 121-122.
I'm not in here claiming to know what the BMW's dyno numbers are. I haven't seen enough graphs. The car hasn't been out long enough.
I'm just saying they're 100% not 425/406 at the crank. No way in hell.
Your Mag Times are inaccurate.
2012 C63 P31
C&D got 12.1@120 (3.7 0-60)
MT got 12.1@117 (also got 3.7 0-60)
There are a number of bone stock (down to the tires) 11.8-11.9 C63's.
So...
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As I proved the m is rated accurately at 425/406
About 10% lighter with 10% less torque = same speed
Question
Which will fall faster and hit the ground sooner from 100'
A 100 lb iron solid sphere
Or a 1000 lb one
???
About 10% lighter with 10% less torque = same speed
Question
Which will fall faster and hit the ground sooner from 100'
A 100 lb iron solid sphere
Or a 1000 lb one
???
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C63 AMG
But for all intent and purpose same speed
But the m4 has more power and torque and is 10 % lighter
Vs PP
4% more power
Almost 14% more torque
His claim is patently absurd
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'10 P30 C63 AMG
2011 Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG P31 Development Package: 12.4@114.8
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...est/specs.html
12.3 @ 117
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...ment-pack-test
Magazine times are garbage.
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I still don't get why people care which car is faster ... Listen to that m4.... OMG! I drove next to one yesterday and it was absurdly strange and bizarre.... Can you make that exhaust sound better??????
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And I don't care which one's faster. I'm just saying a car with 425 crank HP isn't going to trap 120+mph.
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Let's be realistic and take the c63 hat off.
The M3 was better ever since there was a M3. The best way to look at it is Nürburgring Nordscheife times.
The M3 was better ever since there was a M3. The best way to look at it is Nürburgring Nordscheife times.
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C63 coupe P31, '11 G37s, '12 RR Evoque Prestige '10 QX56
Base C63 Coupe is on there with a time of 8:01. No base M3 present. Black Series vs GTS; BS = 7:45, GTS = 7:48.
I don't really care about the lap times or a tenth here or there on a drag strip, the low torque of the E9X turned me off, this gen it's the Briggs and Stratton under the hood. It's already been said, but I've been next to M4's as they've taken off from a light (not once in the C though). It's absurd that BMW thought that exhaust note was acceptable.
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C63: 8:01
M3: 8:05
C63 AMG Coupe - 8:01.00 154 '11 457 / 1730
BMW M3 - 8:05.00 153 '07 420 / 1580
http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/nordschleife.html
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The W204 C63 was 4 seconds faster around the 'ring than the E9X M3. That's an eternity at the 'ring.
C63: 8:01
M3: 8:05
There is a base M3 present.
C63 AMG Coupe - 8:01.00 154 '11 457 / 1730
BMW M3 - 8:05.00 153 '07 420 / 1580
http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/nordschleife.html
C63: 8:01
M3: 8:05
There is a base M3 present.
C63 AMG Coupe - 8:01.00 154 '11 457 / 1730
BMW M3 - 8:05.00 153 '07 420 / 1580
http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/nordschleife.html
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Or you can do what this BMW driver does;
