Tuned/PP C63 vs. 2015 M3/M4
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How's it going Mike? It's good to see you back on here! 
There's no reasoning with Avery.
He refuses to take his car to the strip, but he'll take his car to the shop with the most overly optimistic dyno to get his inflated numbers and brag about it. I'm honestly surprised that he didn't say that with LT's, he'll have 650 RWHP. He has previously stated that LT's will give you 100 rwhp, and he currently has 550rwhp with just tune and some exhaust work. In his mind 550 rwhp + 100 rwhp = 600 rwhp. lolz
There's no reasoning with Avery.
He refuses to take his car to the strip, but he'll take his car to the shop with the most overly optimistic dyno to get his inflated numbers and brag about it. I'm honestly surprised that he didn't say that with LT's, he'll have 650 RWHP. He has previously stated that LT's will give you 100 rwhp, and he currently has 550rwhp with just tune and some exhaust work. In his mind 550 rwhp + 100 rwhp = 600 rwhp. lolzNo, I said i'd have AROUND or just under 600WHP MAYBE, i never said "Oh im going to have 600WHP FOR SURE" jesus *** this forum takes words and bends them beyond existance, it's pathetic. grow the hell up children.
And ok, Email sales@OEtuning.com and tell them 100WHP was BS, because it CAME from THEIR email. Jesus, Do you guys need eyes?
A tune and exhaust work? Wat? I have pully, air/fuel seperator, air-intake, straight pipe, custom exhaust, upgraded diff, and I run OEtune race tune
"A tune and exhaust work" Talk about bending my words, you guys need eyes, Old men
I said "I probably have around 550whp" KEY WORD, PROBABLY, I'm GUESSING, Because when i dyno'd 486 it only was a tune, no exhaust work, no other mods, just the tune,
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You are guessing. That the most sensible thing you said in this thread.
Unfortunate for you, it's an uneducated guess.
There isn't any verifiable proof, from a member or tuner, that shows what you say to be even remotely true, which is odd because tuners have a vested financial interest in proving HP gains. A claim of a street race outcome, against a claimed mod'd GTR and a screen shot of a text is not "proof" in anyone's book, btw.
Show us one verifiable NA c63 550whp-600whp dyno, from any one, on any forum or from any tuner. Just one. Not much to ask, right? One dyno, that's it.
Hell, post an unverifiable one for that matter...lol
Unfortunate for you, it's an uneducated guess.
There isn't any verifiable proof, from a member or tuner, that shows what you say to be even remotely true, which is odd because tuners have a vested financial interest in proving HP gains. A claim of a street race outcome, against a claimed mod'd GTR and a screen shot of a text is not "proof" in anyone's book, btw.
Show us one verifiable NA c63 550whp-600whp dyno, from any one, on any forum or from any tuner. Just one. Not much to ask, right? One dyno, that's it.
Hell, post an unverifiable one for that matter...lol
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How's it going Mike? It's good to see you back on here!
There's no reasoning with Avery. He refuses to take his car to the strip, but he'll take his car to the shop with the most overly optimistic dyno to get his inflated numbers and brag about it. I'm honestly surprised that he didn't say that with LT's, he'll have 650 RWHP. He has previously stated that LT's will give you 100 rwhp, and he currently has 550rwhp with just tune and some exhaust work. In his mind 550 rwhp + 100 rwhp = 600 rwhp. lolz
There's no reasoning with Avery.
He refuses to take his car to the strip, but he'll take his car to the shop with the most overly optimistic dyno to get his inflated numbers and brag about it. I'm honestly surprised that he didn't say that with LT's, he'll have 650 RWHP. He has previously stated that LT's will give you 100 rwhp, and he currently has 550rwhp with just tune and some exhaust work. In his mind 550 rwhp + 100 rwhp = 600 rwhp. lolz
I wish it was that easy to make power. lolMy memory is hazy but I think there were only 3 people to ever make 500 rwhp on a N/A C63; JRCart, dodger and dads. I mean legitimate dyno runs. And I was present for dodgers in Ohio which was 503 on a race tune.
Another thing they all had in common was they backed up their dyno numbers with track results.
Dyno's are just tuning tools. The numbers don't really mean anything as you know. Sometimes operators inflate the numbers to drum up business. Just like some tuners post a dyno of a race tune glory run to sell more tunes.
Also, different dynos read differently. For example, my friends Caddy put down 710rwhp on a Mustang dyno and on the same day at a different shop it put down well over 800+ on a Dynojet. His best run at the track was 9.69 @ 142
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Hey Jeff, I'm good. I poke my head around here sometimes. This thread caught my attention. I wish it was that easy to make power. lol
My memory is hazy but I think there were only 3 people to ever make 500 rwhp on a N/A C63; JRCart, dodger and dads. I mean legitimate dyno runs. And I was present for dodgers in Ohio which was 503 on a race tune.
Another thing they all had in common was they backed up their dyno numbers with track results.
Dyno's are just tuning tools. The numbers don't really mean anything as you know. Sometimes operators inflate the numbers to drum up business. Just like some tuners post a dyno of a race tune glory run to sell more tunes.
Also, different dynos read differently. For example, my friends Caddy put down 710rwhp on a Mustang dyno and on the same day at a different shop it put down well over 800+ on a Dynojet. His best run at the track was 9.69 @ 142
I wish it was that easy to make power. lolMy memory is hazy but I think there were only 3 people to ever make 500 rwhp on a N/A C63; JRCart, dodger and dads. I mean legitimate dyno runs. And I was present for dodgers in Ohio which was 503 on a race tune.
Another thing they all had in common was they backed up their dyno numbers with track results.
Dyno's are just tuning tools. The numbers don't really mean anything as you know. Sometimes operators inflate the numbers to drum up business. Just like some tuners post a dyno of a race tune glory run to sell more tunes.
Also, different dynos read differently. For example, my friends Caddy put down 710rwhp on a Mustang dyno and on the same day at a different shop it put down well over 800+ on a Dynojet. His best run at the track was 9.69 @ 142
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Trash talk all you guys want, a <450WHP C63 does not pull on a 518AWHP VERIFIED GTR, Sorry but it just doesn't happen, I provided proof, hell even proof I walked a stage 2 M3, And you idiots just continue to act like little girls who love to start drama, I could care less what the idiots on this forum think to be honest, I love getting you guys going, but am i troll? NO LOL, the fact you stupid **** even say that proves how childish and pathetic your weak petty minds are,
Ok so a troll is when you take your car to 2 SEPERATE DYNOS at 2 DIFFERENT TIMES OF THE YEAR and run similar #"s - Ok, Got it,
Ok So seeing you guys are so intelligent, Why haven't you awsnered how much that Tuned C63 with JUST straight pipes and 562BHP puts down at the wheels, HMMMMMMMMMMMMMM HOW MUCH BOYS? Oh wait let me guess in your pathetic little eyes it probably puts down 300WHP with 562BHP, but yet some how 480-500whp doesn't seem "realistic" with basically all the N/A mods you can buy.
Now you call my dyno runs "non legitimate"
you guys need psychiatric help, For real. 
OK, I'll make sure to tell the 80 year old guy who runs one of the shops for the past 50 years that he's nothing more then a fraud, Considering every car person in my city recommends him. Ok, I'll make sure,
Oh yeah, By the way, What says your guys dyno runs are legitimate????? Oh wait, Because you said so right?
Well guess what, It aint legit if mine ain't legit
The track, Yeah because I'm going to go out, buy NEW rims, NEW drag tires, JUST to see how much WHP my car runs, LOL, Go get lives, \
Ok so a troll is when you take your car to 2 SEPERATE DYNOS at 2 DIFFERENT TIMES OF THE YEAR and run similar #"s - Ok, Got it,
Ok So seeing you guys are so intelligent, Why haven't you awsnered how much that Tuned C63 with JUST straight pipes and 562BHP puts down at the wheels, HMMMMMMMMMMMMMM HOW MUCH BOYS? Oh wait let me guess in your pathetic little eyes it probably puts down 300WHP with 562BHP, but yet some how 480-500whp doesn't seem "realistic" with basically all the N/A mods you can buy.
Now you call my dyno runs "non legitimate"
you guys need psychiatric help, For real. OK, I'll make sure to tell the 80 year old guy who runs one of the shops for the past 50 years that he's nothing more then a fraud, Considering every car person in my city recommends him. Ok, I'll make sure,
Oh yeah, By the way, What says your guys dyno runs are legitimate????? Oh wait, Because you said so right?
Well guess what, It aint legit if mine ain't legit
The track, Yeah because I'm going to go out, buy NEW rims, NEW drag tires, JUST to see how much WHP my car runs, LOL, Go get lives, \
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Keep trying with your Entry level C63, Atleast i can admit and realize i drive a base model AMG, unlike most guys on this forum who think their C Class is a S Class
https://mbworld.org/forums/c63-amg-w...ml#post6372026
Yeah you guys all dick ride and suck dick when someone post a video of a N/A C63 beating a lambo, the guy doesn't even have a blower and just has LTH over my setup, but wait, Wait, Wait, How can a N/A <500WHP Beat a 700HP Lambo? Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh wait i forgot the C63 can't have anywhere near 500WHP without a blower, Damn, That sucks, a 500k+ Lambo got beat by a 400whp C63....Damn
WAIT WAIT hang on guys I got a quote
Wait wait, He's lying right? Yeah he's lying, Yep, Lying, Thats impossible without a leaf blower!!!!!!!!
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The new ATS-V and CTS-V are going to be insane. Honestly, I'm leaning toward the ATS-V because of the lighter platform(3600lbs.). A tune and down pipes and it's gonna run 10's all day.
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wow...this is absurd.
Avery, the only "proof" you provided is a few screenshots of some bs text messages. Dyno #'s are subjective. If you want to prove us all wrong, go get your GT-R buddy's VBOX, and verify a run for us through it...
No need to go to a track, no need to go to a shop, just plug that sucker in, make a few nice runs (60-130 would be good) and have them verified through dragtimes or wherever and you're done.
Avery, the only "proof" you provided is a few screenshots of some bs text messages. Dyno #'s are subjective. If you want to prove us all wrong, go get your GT-R buddy's VBOX, and verify a run for us through it...
No need to go to a track, no need to go to a shop, just plug that sucker in, make a few nice runs (60-130 would be good) and have them verified through dragtimes or wherever and you're done.
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wow...this is absurd.
Avery, the only "proof" you provided is a few screenshots of some bs text messages. Dyno #'s are subjective. If you want to prove us all wrong, go get your GT-R buddy's VBOX, and verify a run for us through it...
No need to go to a track, no need to go to a shop, just plug that sucker in, make a few nice runs (60-130 would be good) and have them verified through dragtimes or wherever and you're done.
Avery, the only "proof" you provided is a few screenshots of some bs text messages. Dyno #'s are subjective. If you want to prove us all wrong, go get your GT-R buddy's VBOX, and verify a run for us through it...
No need to go to a track, no need to go to a shop, just plug that sucker in, make a few nice runs (60-130 would be good) and have them verified through dragtimes or wherever and you're done.
heres the motor he blew up, the same one i raced
Idk why you guys are so paranoid, it's like you've all been lied to so much that the second 1 ounce of truth hits the room you all scatter like rats and play defence.
So if you want me to do a run again with him, well you'll be waiting 2-3 months atleast it's his tools not mine.
if you guys want to call texts BS then sure go for it, but i have nothing to prove, i've proven everything, you think i went and forged texts?
I've already posted a video of me doing a 40km-160km run on the highway, im pretty sure if you can count basic numbers you'll be able to figure out how long it takes from 40-160 ...I mean HELL in that video i had a blown intake manifold and 2 dying fuel pumps and didn't have a pulley or ROW boxes or exhaust work...tune only
But wait, you guys will sit there and tell me a custom exhaust, row boxes, air filters, pulley and straight pipes won't add any WHP with a tune - OK
Looks to me in the video i went from 40km to 130km (roughly 60mph) in 3.5-4 seconds...Hmmm Interesting, Wait, Wait, Let me guess, my video is fake too right?
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i told you guys he's rebuilding his engine after blowing it up, he's building a rb28
heres the motor he blew up, the same one i raced
Idk why you guys are so paranoid, it's like you've all been lied to so much that the second 1 ounce of truth hits the room you all scatter like rats and play defence.
So if you want me to do a run again with him, well you'll be waiting 2-3 months atleast it's his tools not mine.
if you guys want to call texts BS then sure go for it, but i have nothing to prove, i've proven everything, you think i went and forged texts?
I've already posted a video of me doing a 40km-160km run on the highway, im pretty sure if you can count basic numbers you'll be able to figure out how long it takes from 40-160 ...I mean HELL in that video i had a blown intake manifold and 2 dying fuel pumps and didn't have a pulley or ROW boxes or exhaust work...tune only
VID 20140711 102344 - YouTube
But wait, you guys will sit there and tell me a custom exhaust, row boxes, air filters, pulley and straight pipes won't add any WHP with a tune - OK
Looks to me in the video i went from 40km to 130km (roughly 60mph) in 3.5-4 seconds...Hmmm Interesting, Wait, Wait, Let me guess, my video is fake too right?
heres the motor he blew up, the same one i raced
Idk why you guys are so paranoid, it's like you've all been lied to so much that the second 1 ounce of truth hits the room you all scatter like rats and play defence.
So if you want me to do a run again with him, well you'll be waiting 2-3 months atleast it's his tools not mine.
if you guys want to call texts BS then sure go for it, but i have nothing to prove, i've proven everything, you think i went and forged texts?
I've already posted a video of me doing a 40km-160km run on the highway, im pretty sure if you can count basic numbers you'll be able to figure out how long it takes from 40-160 ...I mean HELL in that video i had a blown intake manifold and 2 dying fuel pumps and didn't have a pulley or ROW boxes or exhaust work...tune only
VID 20140711 102344 - YouTube
But wait, you guys will sit there and tell me a custom exhaust, row boxes, air filters, pulley and straight pipes won't add any WHP with a tune - OK
Looks to me in the video i went from 40km to 130km (roughly 60mph) in 3.5-4 seconds...Hmmm Interesting, Wait, Wait, Let me guess, my video is fake too right?
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I love it. The ride in the Caddy is so much more comfortable. It's almost too comfortable lol and the mod potential is ridiculous but I loved the C63 too. Every time I started it up it would make me smile.
The new ATS-V and CTS-V are going to be insane. Honestly, I'm leaning toward the ATS-V because of the lighter platform(3600lbs.). A tune and down pipes and it's gonna run 10's all day.
The new ATS-V and CTS-V are going to be insane. Honestly, I'm leaning toward the ATS-V because of the lighter platform(3600lbs.). A tune and down pipes and it's gonna run 10's all day.
Buddy of mine was shopping m5's and after I showed him he upcoming ctsv he decided to wait and take a look.
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Holymolly, just browsed his posting history ...lol There really is one on every forum.
What I found funny is that he seems to regularly misunderstands the post he is trying to respond to, most recently the simple request to strap a vbox to HIS car.
What I found funny is that he seems to regularly misunderstands the post he is trying to respond to, most recently the simple request to strap a vbox to HIS car.
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Thanks Mike!
Avery, I'm not saying race him... strap the damn vbox onto YOUR car, run it, and post the numbers.
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i told you i would after he's done rebuilding his engine, im not going to drive 5 hours out into the middle of the woods just to "use his vbox" ..get real, i see him maybe 3 or 4 times a year if that and its during car meets, so when i see him in the summer, i'll do it then
I posted a video of doing a 40-160km run from a year ago, you guys won't accept that as a "run"... not my fault
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Back to the original topic that I am interested in. I am stuck between a CPO C63 (Coupe) with PP or a new M3 with DCT. It looks like they are putting down the same numbers. The comparisons are between the 507 and F82 M4, so not exactly a C63 with PP, but AFAIK the 507 does not add much over the PP.
Any more thoughts on this topic.
Any more thoughts on this topic.
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Back to the original topic that I am interested in. I am stuck between a CPO C63 (Coupe) with PP or a new M3 with DCT. It looks like they are putting down the same numbers. The comparisons are between the 507 and F82 M4, so not exactly a C63 with PP, but AFAIK the 507 does not add much over the PP.
Any more thoughts on this topic.
Any more thoughts on this topic.
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I do not disagree with personal experience, but a 20-30 min test drive on side streets and highways near a dealer are not quite the best crucible for these cars. A C63 sedan without PP died on me last year (had to be towed back) and procrastinated my purchase until the F80 M3 came out, but my dealer (or a couple nearby) does not have a DCT M3 or M4 to flog. I will admit that I was able to test out a C63 coupe with PP today, and it felt much better than the standard C63, which did not feel significantly better than my 335 with a tune.
